Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials
Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: ABC News
Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced millionaire who was facing federal sex trafficking charges, died by suicide Friday night in his Lower Manhattan jail cell, three law enforcement officials told ABC News.
The exact timing and circumstances were not immediately clear.
Epstein, 66, was set to stand trial next year for allegedly sexually abusing dozens of minor girls in New York and Florida.
His death came less than three weeks after he was found unresponsive in his cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan, with marks on his neck that appeared to be self-inflicted, sources told ABC News.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684
I've added a link to the Federal Bureau of Prisons policies on suicidal inmates:
https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5324_008.pdf
herding cats
(19,558 posts)He won't be mourned, but justice was denied. How was he able to do this, wasn't he on suicide watch already?
Arkansas Granny
(31,514 posts)mzmolly
(50,985 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)They're saying he hanged himself while on suicide watch. How is that even possible?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)At least that's what the prison officials would say. I'm always suspicious, ar least that the guards let it happen...or worse.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)They are in a cell naked with no movable objects and have 24/7 surveillance although sometimes given a cell phone which I doubt in his case.
He was killed. No doubt in my mind.
AZ8theist
(5,452 posts)Putin and his fucking useful IDIOT couldn't allow the pedophile Epstein to possibly talk.
HE WAS FUCKING MURDERED.
No doubt in my mind either....
Doreen
(11,686 posts)To many crappy influential people to be hurt by him if he ended up being found guilty.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)on twitter and is trending at the top like they knew this was going to happen.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)And blaming the Clintons is their standard script. There's nothing unusual about that at all, unfortunately.
Mr.Bill
(24,274 posts)They blame the Clintons for hundreds of murders.
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)what the Clinton's have to gain by his death as opposed to the pedophile in chief?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)NJCher
(35,648 posts)He was on suicide watch since 7/23.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)I think we all had concerns he won't last because many people don't want him to talk.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)FarPoint
(12,317 posts)The high profile inmates with SI are supposed to be 24/7 observation...
LisaL
(44,973 posts)powerful men. I don't think these men would have wanted him to talk. So now he is dead.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The mob of the wealthiest lives on.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)RUSSIA. Russian girls were taken, used and IMO that's what Putin has on tRUMP. No PP tape but minor girl tapes. That's gotta be the choke hold Putin has on tRUMP.
58Sunliner
(4,380 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)In the UK its pronounced pee-duh-fahyl.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)5th Amendment. His crimes were so severe and venal, they had nothing to offer him to talk.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Unreal.
Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)So, the feds are responsible.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)These are my people.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)constant observation, someone needs to get the logs.
irisblue
(32,961 posts)"Too contrived"
SCantiGOP
(13,868 posts)An officer sits in a chair looking into the cell at all times. He or she cannot even go to the bathroom without having someone come take their place for the few minutes they are gone.
Hanging yourself is not possible on suicide watch.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Various forms of suicide watch exist. These generally involve the subject's being under continuous or very frequent watch of a guard, such as a prison officer, security officer or orderly, who will intervene if the subject attempts to harm themselves.
Periodic
Periodic suicide watch, or more simply known as suicide watch, involves the subject being monitored through frequent periodic checks.
Intense
Intense suicide watch or observation involves the subject being observed continually by a person who may be employed in one of several possible capacities, sitting or standing in direct sight or arm's reach of the subject. This may be known as a 1 to 1.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)I imagine that "suicide watch" means different things in different places.
In any case, child molesters often commit suicide while incarcerated, even when they're on suicide watch.
Girard442
(6,067 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I wonder if all his secrets will die with him, or will other investigations into his buddies and conspirators and cohorts will continue to be investigated.
Linda Ed
(493 posts)Since Epstein is dead there will be no trial. So life goes on for those powerful men involved who are probably happy as hell to know that they won't be exposed.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)...with a little help from their friends, I'm sure......
AG Barr is "appalled" ("Appalled, I tell ya!" that this could happen.....)
Hav
(5,969 posts)some might feel relieved or hopeful that he might take some secrets into his grave.
I hope the investigations continue.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Too many billionaires and very powerful people were at risk.
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)Any doubts Putin is in total control of our country, world, now. Everything trump does is Putin's playbook. We will see many suicides of political opponents in trump's second term.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)With voters suppression, purged voter roles, hacked machines, trump prison if not re/elected, McConnell and Putin, the very real scenario is freightenly possible. And Dem candidate purity testing, with voter infighting, and Putin's Tulsi Gabbert, (Jill Stien) we are in an almost impossible situation if 50 percent of voters don't have time or tune out.
Zoonart
(11,845 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... my guess is one name too many had already came out. Now to see if the so called, "deadman switch", is activated, ie... Epstein had info drop offs to be released if he should be whacked.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)Just like the 'D.C. Madam' Deborah Jeane Palfrey.
.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Shocking.
SurfinBetty
(38 posts)Justice cannot be denied against all of them.
spooky3
(34,430 posts)RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)The pig did not act alone. He had a "staff" of goddam procurers and assistants who kept the girls in line and away from public scrutiny. Every one of those dirt bags must be brought to justice.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)Rebl2
(13,485 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,164 posts)And if possible tried for rape and sexual assault.
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)and dead this morning. I am not surprised. I would be surprised if he didn't get an assist.
spooky3
(34,430 posts)spooky3
(34,430 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)The officials told NBC News he was found at 7:30 a.m. ET at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York and that he hanged himself.
When you on a watch you not suppose to have any materials that can be easily shredded to be used in hanging.
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)where a physical inspection must be done. Considering he had an attempt already. Doesn't matter if he's on camera either!!!
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Just wish he had stuck around enough to get all the Trumpistas he furnished little girls to.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)...hopefully..?
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I just wish that Epstein had stuck around to testify against them in order to get a plea deal.
I do believe that they found a lot of evidence at places Epstein lived or had access to.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Look at this thread.
Look at every thread to come today on this subject.
The overwhelming majority of posters have thus far, and will continue, to claim that the suicide was arranged to protect a huge ring of pedophiles which will get away as a result of his death.
still_one
(92,116 posts)"suicide watch", who was not watching?
Is that unreasonable speculation?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Having someone wear paper clothes and then checking in on them from time to time will not prevent a determined person from devising a way to kill themselves.
Yeah, the whole lockup is in on some conspiracy to kill him and claim it is suicide. Uh-huh. Because just like the courts and every other institution they are hopelessly corrupt, so there is no point to political engagement. Its always the same song and dance.
The magical incantation suicide watch is not 100% effective.
still_one
(92,116 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)To be dismissed as the official story by those decrying sheeple.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)There are other people accused of crimes against children in this case. Now that Epstein is dead, should the investigation be dropped?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes. Thats exactly what I said.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Sheesh.
For the record, I think he probably paid the guards to let him commit suicide, for the same reason other chid molesters commit suicide. His life was going to be miserable in prison, so he checked out.
I fervently hope the people who aided and enabled his criminal acts can be brought to justice and I'm asking you, as a lawyer, if you think that's likely.
PSPS
(13,588 posts)This will go on forever. "The mob did it," "Hillary ordered it from the pizza basement," "The Queen ordered it to protect Andrew," etc.
The fact is that this is the usual end to a child molester's life -- they commit suicide. But people want to make everything conform to their favorite movie or television show.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yep. The usual thing happened.
58Sunliner
(4,380 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And what would that theory be? That people are going to make shit up that suits them? Thats already well in progress.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)You have arrived at your conclusion and made a statement of fact just as others have done. You must have a better crystal ball than the rest of us.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)the rich and famous who were raping girls.
Now, what is going to happen to all the evidence the FBI supposedly has? Is there going to be a big fire at the storage facility?
Jeezus.
Epstein was on a suicide watch, so how the hell did he kill himself?
Captain Zero
(6,800 posts)and someone else Barr knows will drop
off the evidence and watch while it all goes up in smoke.
-or- Trump and Putin will end up with all the evidence, in a Kremlin vault...
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Let's say they were to release a video that showed him going into cell and no one else going into his cell afterward. Would that convince you or would you assume the video is doctored? If they had a video of him actually killing himself, would that be enough or would you believe it was a fake video or maybe he was compelled to do so by "them"?
That's the problem I have with most folks who are quick to make absolute statements without evidence. They often deny the evidence as it comes in to continue to fit what they originally stated was absolute fact.
I get why this is suspicious. My first thought was that "oh yeah, they shut him up" But that is just wild speculation and not something I could say I actually believe as fact. I need to see how it plays out to see if that is a legitimate claim. They could release videos like I described above. If they do that, then it would seem the speculation was false.... I mean, unless I was dead set on not believing that at all costs. However, if the entire thing gets shrouded in mystery. Videos are "lost" or magically deleted and logs were not kept, or other things just don't add up, then that gives credence to the idea of something shady.
I wont be surprised if it goes either way
Nay
(12,051 posts)are in the White House make the whole thing stink from the beginning. Of course he may simply have killed himself. But due to the perfidy, wealth, and assholiness of the vermin who would love to see him dead, I jump first to the other scenario as the one I want investigated.
Doodley
(9,078 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)himself too much to do any harm to himself. He thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We all see a bloated, orange, shapeless clown. He sees a slim, youthful, handsome STAR.
mitch96
(13,885 posts)You KNOW Limpballs and alex jones are gonna have a field day with this one..
m
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)..so we might as well just make shit up.
58Sunliner
(4,380 posts)That was manipulated. If you think it did not make a difference then you have never worked in a hospital.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Seems more fun to pretend cleverness as the expense of benign speculation than "just making shit up..." (the important here is to re-focus criticism back onto people whose guesswork is different from yours. Atta boy!).
justgamma
(3,665 posts)the righties will add this to Hillary's "hit" list. I seen them already say that if anything happened to him, it will be because of Clinton.
the all powerful Clintons. Somehow Obama was involved, too, I just know it.
hlthe2b
(102,205 posts)are unwarranted.
I assume what is reported is factual. Do I know that for certain? Hell no. And, even taking at face value that he was found hanged does NOT rule out homicide.
If it were NOT factual, my guess is the truth will out eventually. Until then, I assume he committed suicide, rather than was murdered, both of which are possible under the best of controlled jail environments. As Former Federal Prosecutor, Paul Butler just stated on MSNBC, a homicide investigation will have to be completed--per protocol-- before we can assume it was suicide. He was quite clear that given what he knew about other powerful, influential people, that that was a GIVEN.
SO. stop attacking everyone else for simply stating the obvious.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)...just like the guy who held those women for ten years...those men are cowards.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,166 posts)...actors will depend on ones point of view.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Wasn't he supposed to have been on suicide watch?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Can you remind me of the place where various suicide watch routines have been 100% effective at preventing a determined person from committing suicide?
Because I seem to have forgotten where that place is.
If you decide to bang your head against a hard object with as much force as you possibly can, then can you describe how someone not in the room with you is going to stop you?
Igel
(35,296 posts)It means that they more often check on you. Perhaps there's a camera pointed in your direction that they check more often--but still, it's not a 60/60/24/7 sort of thing (expanding the usual "24/7" to be inclusive at 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, 7 days a week).
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)Info will come out, disinfo will come out.
Frank Nitti committed suicide by shooting himself in the head, twice.
This current suicidal wiseguy who was connected to Rump, I hope the investigation into his criminal actions continues and expands, encompassing all the people who were committing crimes with him, around him, in an actual conspiracy. All the rape and child trafficking of all the people around Epstein and tRump, let's bring all that out though this suspect is dead.
Especially since his buddy is going on about rapist child trafficking criminal immigrants, as we speak. Dictating governmental policy around his hatred of those crimes, because of how they're against the values he strongly holds, eksetera.
sandensea
(21,621 posts)oldsoftie
(12,527 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But he knew he was guilty, and he knew they had the goods on him this time and that there was no chance of getting any sweetheart deals, no chance of influencing victims or witnesses... and he knew that he wouldn't do well in prison.
He died afraid. Fearful. Terrorized.
Good.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts).... years after he said that he no longer had any contact w/Epstein.
Don't worry about anything Frankie five angels
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I doubt it was murder. I doubt it was actively "assisted". But I do kinda think (with no evidence other than my suspicious mind) that maybe someone didn't realize that "Suicide Watch" meant they were supposed to INTERVENE and PREVENT a suicide. They weren't LITERALLY supposed to sit there and "watch the suicide" take place.
rawhideal
(51 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)DemoTex
(25,392 posts)John Clifford "Cliff" Baxter was an Enron Corporation executive who resigned in May 2001 before committing suicide the following year. Prior to his death he had agreed to testify before Congress in the Enron scandal.
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)Baxter knew too much too. He was probably told to do the deed, or his wife and kids would be attacked.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)If he killed himself, I must be a billionaire
mucifer
(23,523 posts)yes it should have been decades longer but at least he didn't get away with it.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)"The Federal Bureau of Prisons confirmed Epstein's death, saying he was found unresponsive in his cell at New York's Metropolitan Correctional Center around 6:30 a.m. ET." https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Apparently the feds suck at suicide watch.
Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)He said he didnt and I believe him Don Orange Trump future
Richard D
(8,752 posts). . . by his own two hands. Or two bullets to the back of his head.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)As he and many other important people breathe a sigh of relief.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I expect the guards on watch were bribed to allow this by Epstein himself.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)I very much doubt there was a bribe here. For one thing, I'd think all of his finances would be frozen or otherwise disabled. For another, the investigation of how this happened is going to focus on the guard(s) who should have been watching Epstein. You can bet that their finances are going to be checked out to see if there's a suspicious lump in their bank account, or if they suddenly paid off a bunch of debt, etc. Any guard who took a bribe is an imbecile just begging to lose their job and get promoted to customer.
Like Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In this case, I suspect Epstein realized that he had nothing to look forward to apart from a sensational and humiliating trial, followed by incarceration for the rest of his life with a nice big target pinned on his back. Once that realization truly hit him, he opted out on his own terms. I'm sorry he's dead, but only because he evaded the justice he so richly deserved.
One way or another, I expect the investigation will go on, so the rich, famous, and/or powerful who were chums with him aren't out of the woods just yet. I hope the bastards are sweating bullets and losing sleep.
global1
(25,240 posts)He really doesn't strike me as a guy that would commit suicide. He had the money to buy his way out of this. Why would he choose death at his own hands.
Something is rotten in Denmark!!!!!!!
whathehell
(29,065 posts)He tried for bail by offering his $77 million dollar NY penthouse, but the judge refused. He was looking at a serious sentence this time.
global1
(25,240 posts)I don't think - at this juncture - that he was at the end of his rope (no pun intended). It seems to me with the money, lawyers and influence he has or had - that he could have held hope that somehow he would come out of this relatively unscathed - through some sort of loophole in the law.
If in fact - all legal and illegal pathways were taken and it appeared that there was no way out and that he'd spend the rest of his life in jail - maybe then - I could have bought the fact that he offed himself. But this was just too early in this case for him to take such drastic measures.
I don't believe he committed suicide. Too suspicious!!!!!
whathehell
(29,065 posts)That said, he may have been murdered -- I'd say the probabilities are 50/50. We just have to wait and see.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)There were still avenues of possible evasion for him so it's way, way too early for him to be checking himself out.
After all he was in solitary, would no doubt remain there and thus in no real danger from all those avenging angel inmates who supposedly hate and kill all pedophiles. That's another thing: I have a hard time believing these inmates would consider sex with a 13 yr old female, even if it wasn't too consensual, to be all that horrible a crime. Many have undoubtedly done almost, (if not exactly) the same thing themselves and would probably be more likely to high five him than off him.
Now if he had raped little boys, sure because more than a few of those inmates have been victims themselves. But sex with teenage girls? Nah.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)showed tRump WAS on Epstein's private jet, despite tRump claiming otherwise.
Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #75)
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Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)I can smell the conspiracy theories already.
sandensea
(21,621 posts)Cheeto must be breathing easier today, that's for sure.
ashredux
(2,603 posts)Hugin
(33,112 posts)Thus ends the kompromat gathering stylings of Mssrs. Epstein and Who-knows-else.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Hugin
(33,112 posts)He brought covfefe once.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)......convenient suicide ordered by some uber-rich cohorts who didn't want him naming names.
Give him a sheet and walk away. It's done.
oldsoftie
(12,527 posts)The right & left will have their own theories!!
Polybius
(15,373 posts)His clients and rumored clients were politicians at the very highest levels on both sides of the political isle. Judges too. Perhaps the left and right teamed up on this one.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)oldsoftie
(12,527 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)traitortrump-barr have not been able to bottle up everything.
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)Gdamnit. I wanted to take all of that shit to court. Name names.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)I don't know much about the corrections system outside of what I see on TV, but don't they put people who have made a suicide attempt like he did on suicide watch?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There is nothing odd about a captured child molester committing suicide. Its the exact opposite of odd.
PSPS
(13,588 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)that he could use to hang himself? If not, then they need to reconsider their suicide watch measures because they are ineffective. They might not be able to prevent someone from bashing their head against a wall, but they can remove anything that could make a noose, even if it means nothing but a paper gown and concrete bed.
Since he was in the position to expose many wealthy and powerful people, I can understand that some people are suspicious of his death.
Bayard
(22,048 posts)Whether by his own hand, or someone else's. His victims deserved more closure.
jpak
(41,757 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)
Yup
SHRED
(28,136 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)Why? Who made that decision? Investigate that person.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Suicide watch doesnt prevent suicide when theres no suicide watch. Go figure.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I'm seeing tweet after tweet saying it's part of the Clinton Body Count.
Of course people are making fun of the nuts, but there are cranks who believe this shit.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I get the suspicious nature of this whole thing, but it's amazing how certain people can be about it before having any facts.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)Not with this administration.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)I wanted this piece of living excrement on trial
I wanted it to become a national conversation by a shit flinging monkey...
No matter who it hit ... I wanted all of them to wear their own stink in public ...
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
yaesu
(8,020 posts)tRump would be in prison instead of the white house. Now, tRump gets off, again as we all know he molested numerous girls.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and that the institutions of our democracy are generally untrustworthy.
Yep, there it is.
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)in Casablanca "We haven't decided on did he was shot while trying to escape or did he commit suicide?"
Paladin
(28,246 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)Suicide my ass.
George II
(67,782 posts)...of phrasing it. Isn't it normally "he committed suicide"?
I could see one media outlet saying that, but all that I've seen this morning are saying "died by suicide". I wonder why?
DrToast
(6,414 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)CCExile
(467 posts)rampartc
(5,401 posts)the real Epstein might be in Miami having a massage.
Captain Zero
(6,800 posts)IronLionZion
(45,411 posts)EllieBC
(3,013 posts)It should be anyway. We should know!
people
(623 posts)This happens literally the day after prominent names start to leak after the release of all those documents -- some of those names had not been mentioned before. Of course, though, none of these men ever saw or did anything and none of them knew anything about what Epstein was up to. It will be shocking to me if this whole business isn't completely buried again forever.
chowder66
(9,066 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)Response to JudyM (Reply #178)
chowder66 This message was self-deleted by its author.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Got a link?
chowder66
(9,066 posts)I'm going to self delete that.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)rokar
(23 posts)Just because he died and went to hell doesn't mean the investigation should end. The evidence seized can still be used against anyone else involved in this abomination. And, they can't challenge its use because it wasn't seized from them.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)there can be charges against his "madam" and victims might be able to sue the estate. Don't know about that.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)seems not a coincidence
nycbos
(6,034 posts)chowder66
(9,066 posts)has said this so far.
keithbvadu2
(36,747 posts)Suicide or suicided?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)If it's really Epstein, and if he's really dead, quite a few people will breathe a bit easier, sleep a bit sounder.
keithbvadu2
(36,747 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Funny how that works
crazytown
(7,277 posts)the mics, the mics are calling'
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)This is just too strange. Especially for someone on suicide watch.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If it's true that he was Mossad...
The Blue Flower
(5,439 posts)Save the rest of us a lot of time and resources.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Remember that what was released was under seal
It is all coming out.
Bad for Dershewiitz, Mitchel, Richardson and others
Actually don't think they have anything directly on Trump
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)Somebody made it look like a suicide, more likely
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)Guilty.
rocktivity
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)Hotler
(11,412 posts)I hope they don't drop this investigation. A lot of creeps need the sun light shown on them.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)like an overdose of Epsom salts.
rocktivity
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)Enoki33
(1,587 posts)was sweating so profusely yesterday. Seriously, there are way too many unanswered questions out there to write this death off as a suicide that so benefits the rich and powerful. This is straight out of Putins playbook, and we all know who his biggest admirer is, and that his Florida home was used by Epstein as a recruiting ground. Really hope there will still be justice for the victims.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)Either he was or the suicide watch was paid to look the other way.
Probably both.
Right after yesterday's release of a few names.
I wish the truth would come out but it never will
lanlady
(7,133 posts)Why hasn't she been charged too? This whole thing is f***ed up royally. Will those victims never see justice done?
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Mossad. They probably know everything while that bitch is off giving Ted Talks about saving the oceans. I'm sure she was an "informant."
nmgaucho
(527 posts)True Dough
(17,301 posts)In the category: Most Spectacular Use of a Gif.
Well done, nmgaucho!
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Trump's man got to him, probably used the same goon that accosted Stormy Daniels once.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)"It was not clear in July to jail officials if the injuries Epstein sustained at that time, which were not serious, were self-inflicted or the result of an assault, the sources said. Epstein told authorities he was beaten up and called a child predator, they said." https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)Stormy's goon needn't be called on a second time.
Polly Hennessey
(6,793 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)When you have very powerful people involved and they have someone like him who knobs too much, this isn't a surprise, especially with Traitor tot involved and could be easily exposed. Barr should be forced to resign , but under the traitor he'll be given a bonus this was allowed to happen.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)sex criminal. They may see this as good luck. But, probably, someone made their own luck.
Throck
(2,520 posts)Hopefully they'll also talk since the monster is dead.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Who know too much are more scared this morning after this, knowing he could have been taken out by these powerful people.
Sneederbunk
(14,289 posts)Response to Julian Englis (Original post)
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jmowreader
(50,552 posts)His little black book is going to be destroyed unopened out of respect for the dead.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Any relatable video feed survive the "suicide"?
The Black Book .pdf made the rounds, if this was a web kill should have been sooner?
In any case, not sad in the slightest, Bill Hicks would have loved to joke about this one?
DeminPennswoods
(15,276 posts)AMJoy and her guests were pushing conspiracies during all her segments today.
Paul Butler did say that investigators have to rule out homicide, but that's SOP. Mentioning homicide does not imply that Epstein's death was due to some "deep state" ior "Russian" (Scarborough) conspiracy to keep him from directly implicating well-known men in his sex trafficing business.
It's perfectly logical that a person who is used to all the freedoms and lifestyle that money can buy simply could not bear the thought of spending the rest of his life in prison and figured out a way to kill himself.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)behaving or looking as though one thinks one is superior to others.
"a supercilious lady's maid"
synonyms: arrogant, haughty, conceited, disdainful, overbearing, pompous, condescending, superior, patronizing, imperious, proud, lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, smug;
Not the OP but some people making comments.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)3,2,1 until Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson start beating on the "Clinton Body Count" drum.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Mostly just because he obviously was in many well connected circles, and would likely know some really bad things about well connected people. We should probably wait to see how it plays out before making any absolute statements in either direction.
Sadly this will just be used to fuel the nutty right's ridiculous conspiracy theories, though.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,379 posts)Not that anyone here is nuts, of course.
Source: August 1970, Vol. 1, No. 5 / Paranoia
smaller:
Pachamama
(16,886 posts)The arc of Justice may be long and eventually bend towards truth and what is right - but it sure feels like the powers be made sure that arc bent far far away from the truth and that Justice will not be served.
sandensea
(21,621 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)
"Can you believe the Democrats thought he'd talk, Bill?"
"Well. Barring something untoward."
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,379 posts)You'll have to unroll the threrad.
/3 You find it implausible because you think jailers would have to be freakishly incompetent to allow it to happen, and surely they arent. But they often are. You find it implausible because they would have to be wantonly indifferent to human life, and surely they arent. Dude.
Link to tweet
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,379 posts)I just got off the phone with Q.
Was at car wash so bad connection, but heres what I think they said.
Dont quote me.
Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide on 8/10/19.
8 + 10 + 19 = 37
The name Bill Barr has 8 letters.
37 + 8 = 45
Donald Trump is the 45th President.
Link to tweet
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,379 posts)The Daily Beast reports:
Moments after billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was announced dead in what law enforcement sources described as an apparent suicide in his New York City jail cell, conspiracy theories about his death erupted on social media by people who suspected foul play. Hillaryd!! Lynne Patton, a Trump-appointed head of public housing in New York and New Jersey posted on Instagram shortly after Epstein was reported dead. P.S. Let me know when Im supposed to feel badly about this
Patton concluded the post with a hashtag alluding to a right-wing conspiracy theory that falsely claims the Clinton family orchestrated the death of a former deputy White House Counsel. Patton was far from the only social media user to implicate the Clintons in Epsteins death. On Saturday morning, Another Clinton, #ClintonBodyCount, and #ClintonCrimeFamily trended on Twitter, alongside Suicide (in quotation marks) and Prince Andrew.
Patton last made headlines when she scoffed at having violated Hatch Act rules, effectively saying come get me.
Earlier this year she was trotted out during a US House hearing as evidence that Trump isnt racist.
She has also mocked death threats against Rep. Ilhan Omar and called reporter April Ryan Miss Piggy.
Oh, and she lied about having attended Yale.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Hekate
(90,633 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)and gave 'em a little tip.
FeatherFox
(9 posts)(My apologies. I do not yet have enough posts to make my own thread. I mostly read)
Thomas Bowers, identified as a former Deutsche Bank executive who signed off on controversial loans to President Donald Trump, died last week after apparently taking his own life at 55.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-deutsche-bank-executive-who-oversaw-trumps-loans-dies-by-suicide/