Epstein Was Left Alone and Not Closely Monitored Before Jail Suicide

[lanlady]

Source: New York Times

Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.

In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html?module=inline

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[PSPS]

1. But this can't be! It had to be some movie-like deep-state conspiracy! It had to be!!11!!

[mr_lebowski]

4. E'eryone knows it was the Almighty Clenis done it!!1!!1! nt

[Baclava]

75. ayep

[mr_lebowski]

76. LOL ... literally ...

That's friggin' hilarious

I mean, in a tactful, measured, and proper respectful way, of course.

[Baclava]

78. No evidence. Consider the Epstein case closed. Nothing to see here people.

Move along, move along.


ayep

[tblue37]

8. Actually, this doesn't disprove any possible conspiracy. It could have been arranged for

guards to b lackadaisical about checking on him, not to mention removing his cellmate, and even the part about taking him off suicide watch so soon.

I think all options--including simply stupid F-ups rather that a set up for suicide or murder--remain open still.

[PSPS]

14. It does prove one thing: People watch too many crime shows on TV

[LisaL]

67. Or not enough.

[ZZenith]

72. You seem personally invested in making sure people don't find the circumstances suspicious.

[Midnight Writer]

81. Remember Sandra Bland in Texas? The camera "malfunctioned" at a critical time.

I have not seen any mentions of a camera in Epstein's case. But surely there was one.

[DrToast]

25. Do you really think this clears everything up?

I’m far from a conspiracy but, but why wasn’t a man who had previously attempted suicide taken off suicide watch?

[PSPS]

26. Because he said and did what was required to allow that. Why? To kill himself. Certainly no mystery.

[DrToast]

28. And you know all this how?

[jberryhill]

41. Because when you hear approaching hoof beats...

You think, “Zebra!”

[LisaL]

62. Or for someone to kill him.

[cab67]

35. From everything I've read

suicide watch is VERY restrictive. Inmates will do whatever it takes to get off watch, whether they're determined to commit suicide or just don't want to be so restricted.

It's also possible that he sincerely didn't want to kill himself when he was taken off watch, but then got suicidal again. That happens.

[LisaL]

63. Or he never got suicidal.

[RobinA]

82. Suicide Watch

costs money.

[LisaL]

61. I am really confused.

Jail is not checking on him like they are supposed to by normal procedure, and you think that rules out a conspiracy?
Why are they not checking on him, especially considering his supposed previous suicide attempt? Why did they remove his cellmate?
Why did they remove him from suicide watch? Nothing suspicious here?

[Sucha NastyWoman]

2. Seems to me like 30 minutes

Would be plenty of time if you were determined

[3catwoman3]

55. 10 minutes would probably...

...be plenty.

[LisaL]

64. Well they didn't even do 30 minutes per the article.

[lanlady]

3. I hope the Dems go ballistic on Barr

He's too busy kissing the Don's ass to do his job. This is on him. Dozens of women have been denied justice owing to Barr's incompetence. He needs to RESIGN in disgrace.

[empedocles]

29. Investigate, deeply. There is some 'buffered' decision making going on

[ArizonaLib]

59. I have been hoping the Dems go ballistic on anything

My optimism is wearing thin. My hope is still sky high, though. This rat bastard administration deserves to be UNDER the jail.

[Meadowoak]

7. +1000

[PSPS]

9. Yes, that's the only possible explanation. Perfectly logical and believable too.

[oldsoftie]

57. And i guess the rest of us will never know what THAT was

[Corgigal]

6. Then everyone needs to be fired.

My daughter worked in a prison , for the state, and she was also the one who sat by prisoners when they had to go to the hospital. She knows how to check on people, and she took it seriously. These criminals were post conviction, where justice was already served.
She would come home and her feet would hurt from all the walking she had to do for checking on prisoners all night.

Finally she quit, but I told her yesterday if she was in charge in watching Episten, his ass would still be here.

This feels dirty, cause it is.

[PSPS]

11. If someone is determined to kill themselves, they will unless you strap them down 24/7.

[Corgigal]

13. What's the number

for deaths on suicide watch?

Yes, he was taken off but suicide watch. Start firing there.

[PSPS]

16. He wasn't on suicide watch

If you were determined to commit suicide, wouldn't you do or say what was expected to be taken off suicide watch?

[Princetonian]

19. Proper procedure was not followed to get Epstein off suicide watch.

"The decision to remove him appears to have been a colossal error that must be thoroughly probed," Harry Litman, former U.S. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, wrote in a stinging column in the Washington Post. He also questioned why Epstein was given access to the tools needed for suicide.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/10/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch-when-he-died-how-safeguards-arent-foolproof/1975631001/

[Corgigal]

21. Ok, so our government

Can't insure justice for rape and homicide victims. Why arrest at all? Of course I would lie, it's a human/criminal behavior thing.

I'm saying, that releasing the entitled rich man from suicide watch, after he just tried a few weeks ago was malpractice for his victims. They deserved their day in court, but we can't guarantee that we can keep someone alive to get them to court? On his second try after a few weeks?

He was in our custody for a reason, it was to allow his victims to gain justice.

I'm amazed that California hasn't lost the Golden State killer, I mean he already tried to bash his skull into a wall.

[jberryhill]

42. All of the Constitutional provisions on criminal law are about the accused

Can you point me to the Constitutional rights of victims in criminal proceedings?

[MontanaMama]

10. He may very well have ended his own life.

However, I find it suspicious that regular protocols were not followed especially for such a high profile inmate. I’m not big on crazy CT’s, AND, this still stinks.

[PSPS]

12. "He may very well have ended his own life"

Maybe you missed it, but it was all over the news. He hanged himself. That happens in jails sometimes. And child molesters usually kill themselves.

[MontanaMama]

23. I didn't miss it at all.

There are lots of folks here on DU who believe that he may have been suicided...that he did not take his own life...That’s what I was addressing. I believe he did kill himself...and was given ample opportunity to do it because regular protocols were ignored.

[PSPS]

24. It's virtually impossible to keep a person bent on their own demise from killing themselves

[empedocles]

30. Llet it happen on purpose

[DrToast]

34. You should let the FBI know you have all the answers

Maybe they can cancel their investigation into his death.

[cab67]

37. Even those of us who think this probably was a suicide want it investigated.

1. It's possible we're wrong. Was there a conspiracy? We doubt it, but no one is saying definitely not. We want to know if that's the case, and those responsible should be brought to justice.

2. Assuming we're right and this was a suicide, this is a case of monumental negligence. Those responsible should be fired, and I wouldn't be upset if Epstein's victims sued them for civil liability.

3. Those who think Epstein's death lets anyone off the hook should be informed of just how wrong they are. As I've said previously, there's probably very little Epstein could have told investigators that they don't already know. Money was involved. That leaves a trail.

[jberryhill]

48. The investigation will be corrupt if it does not support people's theories

[LisaL]

65. Oh please.

Lots of suicide attempts fail. And we are not talking about people in prison who are supposed to be watched.

[LisaL]

66. If child molesters usually killed themselves, one would think there would be a lot less of them

around.

[bdamomma]

74. ..............

+1000

[RobinA]

84. They Mint

new ones with regularity.

[whistler162]

56. Just like Erwin Rommel did!

[RobinA]

83. I Don't Know

what happened to Mr. Epstein. However, if you are under the impression that “regular protocols” are always followed in an institution such as a prison you are mistaken. In fact, if my own employment (not in a prison but in a similar institution) is any indication, most people don’t even know what the regular protocol is.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

15. How convenient!

Epstein had extremely damaging goods on some very powerful, wealthy people. No way was he leaving that jail other than in a body bag.

[PSPS]

17. Had nothing to do with "damaging goods." Child molesters almost always leave jail "in a body bag"

[50 Shades Of Blue]

20. It has everything to do with "damaging goods" on WEALTHY POWERFUL MEN.

Maybe you can see Trump and Barr allowing Epstein to testify about providing underage girls for Trump (and Trump pals) to abuse and rape.

I can't.

[PSPS]

22. Epstein had no intention of "testifying about providing underage girls for Trump"

Child molesters usually decide to kill themselves (or commit suicide by cop if capture is imminent) before it comes to any kind of testimony.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

31. I can't see Trump/Barr leaving Epstein testifying or not testifying to chance.

An alive, captured Epstein presented too much of a potential disaster for them.

Epstein was more than a child molester. Epstein was also an utterly brazen, obscenely wealthy pimp on a large scale of many underage girls (and wouldn't surprise me if there were underage boys too) to other obscenely wealthy men, men who moved at the highest levels of government and society.

[flotsam]

36. Hey-Look at this!

"The mistreatment of molesters in prison, however, is often exaggerated. Despite a handful of high-profile murders, like those of Jeffrey Dahmer and Father John Geoghan, relatively few child molesters are killed. California sends about 1,300 people to jail every year for sexual abuse of a minor. Only 11 people die annually from assaults in California prisons, and few of them are convicted molesters. Criminologists say that many child molesters assimilate into prison society perfectly well, even if their fellow inmates know what they did. It’s often a question of making friends in the right gang—usually based on your race or which county you’re from—and relying on their protection."

It would appear you're 100% WRONG...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-out-on-bail-are-child-molesters-tormented-in-american-prisons.html

[cab67]

39. not necessarily

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/16/sex-offenders-killed-higher-rate-california-prison

[flotsam]

46. Well-the OP I replied to said:

" Child molesters almost always leave jail "in a body bag" " and you are referencing an article on if 100% accurate would indicate 23 killed in one year while mine showed a yearly intake of around 1300 child molesters. In what world is 23 "almost" all of 1300? Are you claiming over a thousand a year commit suicide in California prisons because in 2017 only 31 prisoners committed suicide. If everyone of those were a child molester that would place 54 out of a minimum of 1300 (remember-the 1300 number doesn't include any molesters imprisons prior to that calendar year) in body bags for a total mortality rate of around 5%. So I'll ask-in your world is 5% almost all?

https://cchcs.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/60/MS/2017-Inmate-Death-Reviews.pdf

[50 Shades Of Blue]

44. That article is about child molesters.

And Jeffrey Epstein was a hell of a lot more than a child molester himself, i.e. a child molester who just happened to hobnob with very wealthy and powerful men who had no idea what he was up to. Epstein was a SEX TRAFFICKER on a large scale, with his own private island where he provided trafficked underage girls to some of those same men where they could rape and abuse children in so-called seclusion.

Epstein had blackmail material up the wazoo on some very wealthy and powerful men. He knew it and they knew it. I'm just surprised he lived this long.

[PSPS]

45. Wrong about what? He commited suicide.

[flotsam]

47. Read for comprehension please...

You said "almost always leave in a body bag" which I refuted. If he committed suicide,and we don't know yet, we also need to know whether correctional personnel were merely negligent or complicit.

[Midnight Writer]

80. No they don't. Check the sex offender's registry in your area. The numbers will surprise you.

[Arkansas Granny]

18. I don't ordinarily subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this just reeks of LIHOP.

I'm pretty certain that the "investigation" will find no serious wrong doing by the jailers. The DOJ will issue a slap on the wrist and try to sweep it under the rug.

[JudyM]

43. The investigation could conveniently cover up a cover-up.

[B Stieg]

27. Why do I keep thinking...

that Bill Barr's fingerprint's are all over this.
Roy Cohn is so happy he might just come back from the dead!

[empedocles]

32. Or at least a fingerprint or DNA

Rico?

[Backseat Driver]

33. I'm going with an EPIC FAIL of autoerotic asphyxiation

Nasty perp!

[Kablooie]

38. Whoever ordered this must have known it would create a scandal

And didn’t care.
I’m sure they’ve hidden their tracks competently and will never be uncovered.
Frustrating as hell.

[Hoyt]

40. I wonder if a corporate prison would have taken better care of him? Just saying.

[Leghorn21]

49. "Jeffrey Epstein, the financier"

Way to clean up this child rapist’s rep, NYT. He wrecked and ruined dozens of young lives, for years on end, but hey, let’s tidy him up a bit, shall we

jfc, the fuckin FINANCIER

fuckin hell

[not fooled]

58. Not only that

but there's scant evidence he was engaged in any legitimate financial activities. Chances are a trial would have revealed that his $$$ came from blackmail and setting up tax avoidance schemes.

[christx30]

60. He hadn't been convicted of the trafficking yet.

If they called him a child rapist or anything related to his crimes, the lawsuits would have started flying.
I guess they could have called him “accused child sex trafficker” or something.

[TNNurse]

50. I do not know about suicide watch in prisons.

I do know in hospitals (especially after attempts), there is an employee in the room with eyes on the patient 24/7 until cleared by a psychiatrist or transferred elsewhere. That employee cannot leave to go the the bathroom without a relief person.

The idea of every 30 minutes is incompetent or intentional. There is no indication he should have been removed from suicide watch so quickly.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. murdered, period

[mitch96]

52. Check to see which guards or guards families got a large deposit recently..... nt

[zentrum]

53. A few low level "bad apples"

...will be fired.

End of investigation.

Cover-up complete.

[gtar100]

54. I will never believe the official story.

There's a long way to go before anything can be believed about this case. It was clear that he made a lot of high-profile people nervous and fearful of being exposed as pedophiles. Epstein getting killed in jail is 100% *not* a surprise.

And most of the media is dutifully carrying the official story like it's already a foregone conclusion. Color me surprised.

When someone keeps lying to us over and over and we keep believing them or giving them the benefit of the doubt, at what point do we realize the problem is just as much us for being gullible and incurious and continually tuning into them to give them yet another opportunity to lie to us.

We are watching the crime of pedophilia being covered up before our very eyes. People who ruined the lives of countless children for their own perverted sexual pleasures are getting away with it. Again.

[Firestorm49]

68. BS. The way I understood it......

Suicide watch is 24 hour camera surveillance. Why call it “ suicide watch “ if you’re out eating donuts?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

69. Epstein insisted on wearing a long designer belt with his prison garb.

In addition, the cell he was housed in was where the prison janitor stored 50 feet of rope, a variety of poisons, a samurai sword he had inherited from his WWII veteran father, jumper cables connected to a 240 volt electrical outlet he had meant to fix, a loaded shotgun and a magazine full of naked pictures of prepubescent girls. There was also a video of the movie "Deliverance" set up to loop the "squeal like a pig!" scene over and over. His guards were pulled off their duty stations for two hours to wash, wax and detail the warden's Lamborghini.

What could possibly have possibly gone wrong?

[LisaL]

70. Sounds about right.

Jail seemed to have been violating procedures right and left.
Removed him from suicide watch-why?
Not watching him every 30 minutes-why?
Removed his cellmate from the cell-why?
This is a high profile inmate we are talking about, one would think if they wanted him to be alive, they would have tried to at least follow their own procedures. To me it sounds like they wanted him dead-one way or the other.

And some posters here are arguing that proves everything is kosher.

[Liberalhammer]

71. Occcams razor says

If not self inflicted then Bill Barr is the obvious choice, considering he is the AG.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

73. Sherlock Holmes says

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

[yellowcanine]

77. Barr should have ordered a strict suicide watch.

The fact that hé didn't speaks volumes, imo.

[blueinredohio]

79. Where is the tape/video? Jails always have video.

[C Moon]

85. I think the initial suicide attempt was a warning (thought that back then).

[duforsure]

86. Feels like we're watching the Russian version of "The Godfather".

And Barr and red Donnie are putin's henchmen.