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groundloop

(11,517 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:29 PM Aug 2019

Trump wants to bring back mental institutions to address mass shootings

Source: CBS News

President Trump says he wants to reopen mental institutions as a way to address mass shootings, an idea he pushed twice Thursday and has floated before.

The president's insistence that mental illness is the cause of mass shootings has disconcerted mental health professionals who insist that most people with mental illness are nonviolent. These experts also say people afflicted with mental illness are more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the perpetrator, and fear the president's language only further stigmatizes those struggling with mental health issues.

"I do want people to remember the words 'mental illness,'" the president told reporters on his way to a rally in New Hampshire Thursday afternoon, responding to a question about gun control.

"These people are mentally ill and nobody talks about that. But these are mentally ill people, and people have to start thinking about it. I think we have to start building institutions again because, you know, if you look at the '60s and '70s, so many of these institutions were closed...But a lot of our conversation has to do with the fact that we have to open up institutions. We can't let these people be on the streets."

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-wants-to-bring-back-mental-institutions-to-address-mass-shootings/

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Trump wants to bring back mental institutions to address mass shootings (Original Post) groundloop Aug 2019 OP
How else is he going to funnel money to the private prisons? bigbrother05 Aug 2019 #1
I'm not going to argue with him on this. Ilsa Aug 2019 #2
If he weren't using it to blame mass shootings on the mentally ill, I could get behind this idea too hlthe2b Aug 2019 #3
I agree, but if by mistake, we end up Ilsa Aug 2019 #4
Just don't forget Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #16
It's not per DSM-V, so it isn't Ilsa Aug 2019 #34
Yes, remember those days. SO many were tossed out. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #20
One of the first things Ronald Reagan did as president Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #23
A mental illness homeless person is far more likely to be a victim JonLP24 Aug 2019 #42
I Have always believed this Sucha NastyWoman Aug 2019 #32
His support of red flag laws have pissed off some of the rabid gunners. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #35
How about if they bring back mental institutions to address the need for ToxMarz Aug 2019 #5
Wonder how all his white nationalist supporters feel about being sinkingfeeling Aug 2019 #6
All MAGAts in solitary? bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #7
He just loves.. FarPoint Aug 2019 #8
Nah The Mouth Aug 2019 #17
St Ronnie closed all these intuitions in California and as president finished them off nationwide kimbutgar Aug 2019 #9
My mother is still pissed off over this. BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #31
May tRump be first in line for mental health help. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2019 #10
A good place for protesters ashredux Aug 2019 #11
We need a huge one to put the whole damn GOP in. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2019 #12
Old Soviet strategy htuttle Aug 2019 #13
+ 1000 crazytown Aug 2019 #36
It might be better for him Turbineguy Aug 2019 #14
Ah, yes! "The Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings" . . . Journeyman Aug 2019 #15
The Great Prevaricator Sudsy Aug 2019 #18
We should bring them back to hold Trump and his cult. Vinca Aug 2019 #19
No, dopey donnie, you can't make up history. ancianita Aug 2019 #21
He should check himself into one, and see if it helps. IronLionZion Aug 2019 #22
Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #24
Trump's idea of improving background checks. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #26
Same gun apologist story, 1000th chapter. Paladin Aug 2019 #25
Only if he is the first one admitted. nt sheshe2 Aug 2019 #27
Name the first one "The Stable Genius Mental Asylum", please. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2019 #28
As far as I know few mass shooters were diagnosed with a mental illness TexasBushwhacker Aug 2019 #29
Only 5% of gun violence is attributed to someone with SMI JonLP24 Aug 2019 #43
One more bone for the media to chase randr Aug 2019 #30
Mental Institutions vs Prisons vs Living on the street Luca.Brasi Aug 2019 #33
How else are republicans going to lock up their political enemies? truthisfreedom Aug 2019 #37
He should be their first long term patient agalisgv Aug 2019 #38
The US taxpayers have the money for THAT. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #39
Most of the shooters would not actually be in mental institutions until they committed the shootings Oneironaut Aug 2019 #40
trump is right El Mimbreno Aug 2019 #41
He's right, in a way jmowreader Aug 2019 #44

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
2. I'm not going to argue with him on this.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019

Lots of people got turned out of institutions that had no place to go, and they became homeless. Not everyone who is mentally ill has a family to live with or one that can handle taking them in. There are others in prison who should be institutionalized.

hlthe2b

(102,188 posts)
3. If he weren't using it to blame mass shootings on the mentally ill, I could get behind this idea too
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

oldsoftie

(12,514 posts)
20. Yes, remember those days. SO many were tossed out.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:30 PM
Aug 2019

And yes, many who ended up on the street DID become violent

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
23. One of the first things Ronald Reagan did as president
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:21 PM
Aug 2019

was cripple the National Institutes of Mental Health (NIMH) and begin the process of defunding mental health clinics and services all across this nation. The result was mentally-ill patients with no services, no care and no homes.

It was the GOP who put these poor souls on the street. Now, trumpie wants to help them ? I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,742 posts)
32. I Have always believed this
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:36 PM
Aug 2019

Might be the first good Idea of his entire presidency.

But it won’t be a substitute for some good gun laws

oldsoftie

(12,514 posts)
35. His support of red flag laws have pissed off some of the rabid gunners.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

I've seen the FB posts already.
I really hope he sticks to it & pushes for them. And since he's so arrogant, when asked about going aganst the NRA, he says "I'M the president"

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
5. How about if they bring back mental institutions to address the need for
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:41 PM
Aug 2019

that type of medical care, and bring about gun control legislation to address that problem (either within the mentally ill population or not), WIN WIN!

kimbutgar

(21,103 posts)
9. St Ronnie closed all these intuitions in California and as president finished them off nationwide
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:46 PM
Aug 2019

Interesting that the god of the repuke party is now having his policy destroyed by the clown of the repuke party. And a man who needs to be put into an institution himself.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
31. My mother is still pissed off over this.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:30 PM
Aug 2019

She worked in a hospital and says this was a really dumb move (another really dumb move) by Reagun.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
12. We need a huge one to put the whole damn GOP in.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

After, their psycho behavior for many, many years is the root cause of most of our problems.....

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
14. It might be better for him
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019

than jail.

Being in an asylum has less stigma than being in the penitentiary.

Journeyman

(15,028 posts)
15. Ah, yes! "The Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings" . . .
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 02:25 PM
Aug 2019


It's the perfect place for all those mentally ill politicians and dingbats who believe the implements of death should preclude everyone's right to life.

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
21. No, dopey donnie, you can't make up history.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:38 PM
Aug 2019

"...we have to start building institutions again because, you know, if you look at the '60s and '70s, so many of these institutions were closed..."

It was saint ronnie who closed those institutions. In the 80's.

keithbvadu2

(36,722 posts)
24. Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:36 PM
Aug 2019

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017549611 illness toon

Trump says mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton are a ‘mental illness problem’

Aug 4 2019

Trump signs bill reversing Obama rule to ban gun purchases by mentally ill

Feb. 28, 2017 | Updated 4:19 p.m. ET March 9, 2017

Paladin

(28,246 posts)
25. Same gun apologist story, 1000th chapter.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:36 PM
Aug 2019

AFTER somebody becomes seriously mentally debilitated, and AFTER said person easily acquires an assault rifle, along with a few thousand rounds of ammo (crammed into X number of 100-round capacity magazines), and AFTER said person goes to a church/store/office/hospital/theater/school and turns said place into a slaughterhouse, and AFTER said person is apprehended and then stands trial, well THEN let's put that person in a mental institution.


Same shit, different day.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,159 posts)
29. As far as I know few mass shooters were diagnosed with a mental illness
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:52 PM
Aug 2019

I don't believe racism is listed in the DSM V.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
43. Only 5% of gun violence is attributed to someone with SMI
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:55 AM
Aug 2019

Not sure how that correlates to mass shootings but you're right though mass shooters like Dylan Roof are motivated by hate. Mental illness is just a scapegoat for bad gun laws.

Domestic violence is a bigger red flag.

Luca.Brasi

(1 post)
33. Mental Institutions vs Prisons vs Living on the street
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:18 PM
Aug 2019

I'm an older guy whose mother spent time in a mental institution in the 70s when I was a boy.

I remember what they were like from visiting her. They were abysmal, filthy and frightening.

These days the mentally ill end up in prison or homeless on the street.

Both prison and homelessness are an abysmal, filthy and frightening existence. I think we all know that it's time to get serious about pushing back against mass incarceration. We also know that a nation as rich as ours has no excuse for letting people live on the street.

I guess what I am saying is that I have compassion for the mentally ill, but there seems to be no way to give these poor souls a decent, humane life. If there is a solution, we sure haven't found it in this country.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
39. The US taxpayers have the money for THAT.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:16 AM
Aug 2019

Spend with no consequences, the sky's the limit in terms of racking up debt for anything the repugs want.

Don't ask them for snap benefits for starving US kids, though. Or veterans' care, or infrastructure. They're 'taxed enough already'.

Oneironaut

(5,490 posts)
40. Most of the shooters would not actually be in mental institutions until they committed the shootings
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:31 AM
Aug 2019

It's not like being mentally ill suddenly turns you the color blue or something. Many seemed sane enough to the outside world, and did not think they needed help.

Also, I would not qualify institutions as an example of "giving help." It's another way of shoveling people no one wants to deal with into a dark corner and turning out the lights.

jmowreader

(50,543 posts)
44. He's right, in a way
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:14 AM
Aug 2019

The stochastic terrorist currently squatting in the White House meets the criteria for 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder, and he's driving all these domestic terrorist incidents. The sooner we lock this asshole up in an Institution for the Criminally Insane, the better off we will be.

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