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mahatmakanejeeves

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Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:51 PM Aug 2019

Study raises questions about fluoride and children's IQ

Source: Washington Post

Science

Study raises questions about fluoride and children's IQ

By Ben Guarino
August 19 at 11:00 AM

A study of young children in Canada suggests those whose mothers drank fluoridated tap water while pregnant had slightly lower IQ scores than children whose mothers lived in non-fluoridated cities. But don't dash for the nearest bottled water yet. Health experts at the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Dental Association cautioned that public policy and drinking water consumption should not change on the basis of this study.

"I still stand by the weight of the best available evidence, from 70 years of study, that community water fluoridation is safe and effective," said Brittany Seymour, a dentist and spokeswoman for the American Dental Association. "If we're able to replicate findings and continue to see outcomes, that would compel us to revisit our recommendation. We're just not there yet."

The American Academy of Pediatrics, likewise, recommends fluoride in toothpastes and tooth varnishes for children because the mineral prevents tooth decay. In drinking water, "fluoridation has been incredibly protective," said Aparna Bole, a pediatrician who chairs the Council on Environmental Health at the American Academy of Pediatrics. Fluoridation reduces the prevalence of cavities by about one-fourth, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC considers water fluoridation one of the 10 top health achievements of the past century, on par with vaccines and antismoking campaigns.

Bole called the new study, published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, "an important addition to our body of knowledge. It supports the public health community's ongoing reevaluation of optimal fluoridation levels in drinking water."

In January 1945, researchers added fluoride to municipal water in Grand Rapids, Mich., the first program to enlist fluoride to protect a city's teeth. Opponents of fluoridation have since raised concerns both ludicrous -- fluoridation is not a communist plot -- and legitimate, such as fluorosis. In the mild form of fluorosis, faint white streaks appear on the teeth of young children. Severe fluorosis, which is much rarer, damages bones.

Dozens of cities in the United States and Canada, such as Portland, Ore., and Vancouver, do not add fluoride to city water. Elsewhere in the United States, fluoridation is the norm. As of 2014, per CDC data, two-thirds of people in the United States had fluoride in their drinking water. In 2015, to reduce the risk of mild fluorosis, the Department of Health and Human Services cut its fluoride recommendations almost in half, from 1.2 milligrams per liter to 0.7 milligrams per liter.
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Ben Guarino is a reporter for The Washington Post's Science section. He joined The Post in 2016. Follow https://twitter.com/bbguari

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/08/19/study-raises-questions-about-fluoride-childrens-iq/



A study has raised questions about fluoride and children's IQ.

But medical experts cautioned that recommendations should not change based on a single study.




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Study raises questions about fluoride and children's IQ (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2019 OP
Oh God. Here we go with this. Let's call them "anti-tappers" underpants Aug 2019 #1
Aw, Jeez PSPS Aug 2019 #2
Apply it on my teeth, that's okay Iwasthere Aug 2019 #3
I've come to believe that LittleGirl Aug 2019 #9
It does affect a lot of people, with regards to their skin and acne severity. TheBlackAdder Aug 2019 #4
HAHAHAHAHA DiverDave Aug 2019 #5
... mcar Aug 2019 #6
brought to you by the john birch society for acute stupidity. nt Javaman Aug 2019 #7
Utter. Horse. Shit. SansACause Aug 2019 #8
I read about what happened in Toledo, Ohio, when their municipal water was fluoridated... Archae Aug 2019 #10
Washington Post article raises some excellent questions about the research Red Pest Aug 2019 #11
Published to be publishing.... paleotn Aug 2019 #12
When I lived in Calif. Bayard Aug 2019 #13

Iwasthere

(3,158 posts)
3. Apply it on my teeth, that's okay
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:20 PM
Aug 2019

Don't want to swallow it. Explain to me how it helps my teeth from my bloodstream. Better safe than sorry. It has been proven to clarify the pineal gland. I kinda like that gland.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
5. HAHAHAHAHA
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:44 PM
Aug 2019

The sky is falling, The sky is falling.
Don't try and change their minds. What little they have is made up.

Archae

(46,318 posts)
10. I read about what happened in Toledo, Ohio, when their municipal water was fluoridated...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:40 PM
Aug 2019

On the days after the official start of this program in Toledo, the complaints came in thick and fast.

"My dog has diarrhea."

"My plants are dying."

"My kids aren't as playful as usual."

After a week, the water utility admitted the machinery for adding fluoride wasn't working yet, so no fluoride was added to the city water.

The complaints disappeared.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
11. Washington Post article raises some excellent questions about the research
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:44 PM
Aug 2019

First, this is a retrospective study using banked samples: "Till and her colleagues acquired data and frozen urine samples previously collected by Maternal-Infant Research on Environmental Chemicals, or MIREC. That project, run by Canada’s public health department, studied thousands of mothers who gave birth between 2008 and 2012. MIREC researchers measured the toddlers’ IQ after the children turned 3."

Second, there is the question of how to calculate the actual exposure to fluoride: "Pregnant women reported their consumption of tap water and black tea, which is high in fluoride, in questionnaires. The authors of the new study also calculated the amount of fluoride in municipal water, based on the levels at wastewater treatment plants linked to the women’s postal codes. The researches estimated the women’s fluoride intake based on a combination of those measures."

I could go on about the methodology, but the point is simply that they did not actually measure the fluoride consumed; or as the WP wrote: "Till and her colleagues measured fluoride biomarkers in urine from 500 pregnant women, collected during each trimester. Fluoride content in urine was only moderately related to the estimates of the mothers’ fluoride intake, suggesting that neither was a perfect measure of how much fluoride a pregnant woman drank."

Then, the authors observed that 1 mg fluoride/liter of urine gave a 4.5 point drop in IQ for boys, but no such association was found for girls.

This appears to be a paper that was published because it will receive lots of publicity, but it is clearly flawed with estimated fluoride values; unclear water versus black tea contributions to fluoride exposure; sex-linked difference in the data where no such difference should be seen.

Either do the study correctly or don't do it at all.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
12. Published to be publishing....
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 08:52 PM
Aug 2019

The dark side of publish or die. Throw some shit together and if you're lucky, a publication will pick it up. Not exactly what I'd call advancing the body of knowledge.

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
13. When I lived in Calif.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 11:00 AM
Aug 2019

I dated a doctor for a few years (no applause please). He swore that the incidence of breast cancer rose dramatically when they started adding stuff to our water.

Of course, he was nutsy for a few other things too....

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