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BumRushDaShow

(128,901 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:35 PM Sep 2019

Trump Will End California's Authority to Set Stricter Auto Emissions Rules

Source: New York Times



WASHINGTON -- The Trump administration is expected on Wednesday to formally revoke California's legal authority to set tailpipe pollution rules that are stricter than federal rules, in a move designed by the White House to strike twin blows against both the liberal-leaning state that President Trump has long antagonized and the environmental legacy of President Barack Obama.

The announcement that the White House will revoke one of California's signature environmental policies will come while Mr. Trump is traveling in the state, where he is scheduled to attend fund-raisers in Los Angeles and Silicon Valley.

The formal revocation of California's authority to set its own rules on tailpipe pollution -- the United States' largest source of greenhouse emissions -- will be announced Wednesday afternoon at a private event at the Washington headquarters of the Environmental Protection Agency, according to two people familiar with the matter.

A White House spokesman referred questions on the matter to the Environmental Protection Agency. A spokesman for the E.P.A. did not respond to an email requesting comment. Xavier Becerra, the attorney general of California, wrote in an email: "California will continue its advance toward a cleaner future. We're prepared to defend the standards that make that promise a reality."

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/climate/trump-california-emissions-waiver.html

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Trump Will End California's Authority to Set Stricter Auto Emissions Rules (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 OP
Lawsuit in 3-2-1... machoneman Sep 2019 #1
While vapping is harmful to your health, car exhaust is just great. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #2
+ 1 nt iluvtennis Sep 2019 #5
Nothing like small government, until you need it big Scalded Nun Sep 2019 #3
Whatever happened Soxfan58 Sep 2019 #4
States' Rights. . . Collimator Sep 2019 #13
The asshole is hell bent on killing Americans. dalton99a Sep 2019 #6
and destroying the environment, nat'l parks like Yosemite, Sequoia diva77 Sep 2019 #18
i sooo wish for a long painful death for this shit stain JI7 Sep 2019 #7
Not too long though, the faster he goes away the better groundloop Sep 2019 #10
This is so vile bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #8
If President Obama had cured cancer, Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #17
He can't do that can he?? a kennedy Sep 2019 #9
Here is info on the waiver they are operating under BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #11
IMO it's like all the other bullshit he's done...it'll be tied up in court for years groundloop Sep 2019 #12
Students of history, recall the "nullification crisis" of the 1850s slumcamper Sep 2019 #14
That's something a traitor would do rockfordfile Sep 2019 #15
GOP SOP: hypocrisy... Panich52 Sep 2019 #16
Dear 'states rights' Republicans, where are you now? apnu Sep 2019 #19
They only Rebl2 Sep 2019 #21
Are the feds going to take over state inspection stations? JohnnyRingo Sep 2019 #20
sounds like two options... not_the_one Sep 2019 #22
Test every new car at the California border. roamer65 Sep 2019 #23
Has Trump ever driven a car? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #24
Yes. There are a few threads here about that. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2019 #25
One of these BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #26
Republican Principles on Display ... sal2019 Sep 2019 #27

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
1. Lawsuit in 3-2-1...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:39 PM
Sep 2019

I think the SC will allow Cally to continue to set their own standards because, if not, a slew of other 'states rights' laws would be in jeopardy.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
3. Nothing like small government, until you need it big
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:49 PM
Sep 2019

Would Cal not be able to deal with this as a 'state's rights' issue...regulation of their own air?

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
13. States' Rights. . .
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 03:20 PM
Sep 2019

Are only important when you want to make a business profit by buying, selling, beating, raping and working to exhaustion other people.

They are not important when you want to stifle business profits by improving air quality for the general public.

BumRushDaShow

(128,901 posts)
11. Here is info on the waiver they are operating under
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 03:16 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emissions-vehicles-and-engines/california-greenhouse-gas-waiver-request

And specifically it says that due to the law allowing CA to have such a waiver per this criteria -

According to the Clean Air Act Section 209 – State Standards, EPA shall grant a waiver unless it finds that California:

  • was arbitrary and capricious in its finding that its standards are in the aggregate at least as protective of public health and welfare as applicable federal standards;
  • does not need such standards to meet compelling and extraordinary conditions; or
  • has proposed standards not consistent with Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act.


  • So it basically says they pretty much MUST give CA the waiver (and the EPA can be taken to court for not granting if they can't show or justify that CA did not need the waiver).

    slumcamper

    (1,606 posts)
    14. Students of history, recall the "nullification crisis" of the 1850s
    Tue Sep 17, 2019, 03:33 PM
    Sep 2019

    Then, the intentions of the federal government were rooted in and fortified by conscience and morality.

    But this episode, quite the contrary.

    CA is not MT or WY, and public policy relative to standards for air quality are very much contingent on local economic activity, population densities, geography, and atmospheric patterns.

    Yet, the mean-spirited, spiteful blemish on 1600 PA Ave. wields a cudgel that pushes us closer to civil conflict. And the idiot minions known as his "base" will cheer, 'cause freedumb.

    Panich52

    (5,829 posts)
    16. GOP SOP: hypocrisy...
    Tue Sep 17, 2019, 03:53 PM
    Sep 2019

    Repubs, esp TPers, wail about states' rights. Yet watch em support Megalomaniac In Chief's order denying those rights

    JohnnyRingo

    (18,628 posts)
    20. Are the feds going to take over state inspection stations?
    Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:31 PM
    Sep 2019

    Can't sell a car in California if it doesn't pass tailpipe emissions. What can Trump do if California ignores him, send in troops?

     

    not_the_one

    (2,227 posts)
    22. sounds like two options...
    Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:53 PM
    Sep 2019

    Gavin Newsome should say:

    You can ignore federal subpoenas, California can ignore federal dictates.

    or

    Car manufacturers will either honor our guidelines, or they will not sell cars in California.

    And you can't make us sell cars that do not meet our emission standards.

    Somebody needs to tell the turd that the rules to play the game have changed...

    roamer65

    (36,745 posts)
    23. Test every new car at the California border.
    Wed Sep 18, 2019, 03:01 AM
    Sep 2019

    If it does not pass, don’t allow it in.

    You can definitely ignore the feds on this one.

    muriel_volestrangler

    (101,311 posts)
    24. Has Trump ever driven a car?
    Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:18 PM
    Sep 2019

    I know it's not necessary for him to decide that pollution is good, but I get the feeling he's been driven around his entire life. He's lived in New York City, where he'll have had limos with drivers for the whole of his life (except for the occasional times he's had to slum it in a cab), and then he flies to other places, where again he'll have had a driver (not for him, standing in line at a rental counter).

    So I wonder if he's ever done that everyday thing of driving himself on the road? Does this account for his strange, child-like behaviour at the wheel of firetrucks etc.?

     

    sal2019

    (23 posts)
    27. Republican Principles on Display ...
    Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:28 PM
    Sep 2019

    State's rights!, but not California ...

    ... Free markets!, but trade wars ...

    ... Support the troops!, but appropriate their priorities for pet projects ...

    ... America first!, but first let's see what the Saudi's want ...

    ... Family values!, but Trump.

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