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Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:00 PM Sep 2019

White House Seeks Deal for Whistle-Blower to Speak to Congress

Source: NY Times

White House and intelligence officials are working out a deal to allow the whistle-blower who filed an explosive complaint about President Trump to speak with congressional investigators, as part of a broader effort by the administration to quell calls for Mr. Trump’s impeachment, two people briefed on the matter said Tuesday.

The director of national intelligence is also expected to release a redacted version of the whistle-blower’s complaint in coming days, people familiar with the situation said.

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But by Tuesday, the administration was working on several fronts to disclose key elements of the material sought by Congressional Democrats. Mr. Trump said as he attended meetings at the United Nations on Tuesday that he would release a transcript of his call on July 25 with Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

The decision to release a transcript of the call made seeking a compromise on the whistle-blower easier, a person familiar with the matter said. But the information in the complaint goes beyond the material in the transcript, meaning there are still potential issues of White House executive privilege that need to be resolved, the person said.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/trump-whistleblower-congress.html



Another REDACTED version is coming. Oh boy!

Damn. The House Intelligence committee had better demand the full, un-redacted version.
If the allow it to be redacted, of course the redacted part will be the criminalizing part.

But it's great to see Trump on the defensive.
My guess is that the Republicans in the Senate voting to release the Whistleblower report has spooked him.
I hope it's the beginning of them making a real turn.
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White House Seeks Deal for Whistle-Blower to Speak to Congress (Original Post) Kablooie Sep 2019 OP
the 18 minutes of blank tape nt msongs Sep 2019 #1
Yup, it's Watergate all over again... tRump's goose is cooked!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #33
Since when are criminals allowed to provide redacted evidence democratisphere Sep 2019 #2
Really! Newest Reality Sep 2019 #5
They'll make a "Mad-lib" word salad out of it. calimary Sep 2019 #32
Time for negotiations must be over, time for democrats to do their duty beachbumbob Sep 2019 #3
I think they'll come through this time with Nancy now out in front supporting a impeachment inquiry. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #34
I think she was forced into this position and still wonder why no accoutnabilty has been beachbumbob Sep 2019 #37
Oh, it's comin... no way the Democrats blow this golden opportunity to be rid of that POS. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #38
highly unlikey he will be "rid of" except for not being re-elected beachbumbob Sep 2019 #40
Senate repubs will impeach orangecrush Sep 2019 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #4
What the HELL are they hiding? Scarsdale Sep 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #28
It does make you wonder. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #35
NO REDACTIONS! Remember Watergate tapes redactions? NO WAY THIS IS OKAY! tableturner Sep 2019 #6
This may be a dumb question, but... silverweb Sep 2019 #7
Read on Lawfare a few days ago canetoad Sep 2019 #17
Clarification appreciated. silverweb Sep 2019 #18
Reported last night: Whistle blower lawyer wrote to Acting DNI asking for that guidance. CincyDem Sep 2019 #27
Good to know. silverweb Sep 2019 #30
Yes, do it all by the book, but.... DrToast Sep 2019 #21
YESSSSS!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #39
Fuck this shit bluestarone Sep 2019 #8
No. No deals. Criminals do not select the evidence. bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #9
+1 K&R onetexan Sep 2019 #44
playing the redacted game again. nt yaesu Sep 2019 #10
Back tracking already. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #11
They already said they would not convict him in the Senate so I doubt that he is spooked over that. cstanleytech Sep 2019 #12
By backing him, the gop Scarsdale Sep 2019 #26
One can hope it paves the way for that. calimary Sep 2019 #41
The "transcript' will not be a verbatim recording of the words spoken by both sides. erronis Sep 2019 #13
Heh heh heh. truthisfreedom Sep 2019 #14
Deal?!? The Liberal Lion Sep 2019 #15
Consider the Source.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2019 #16
No. No. And NO. NO TERMS ON ANYTHING FROM THE WH. (not yelling, just EMphasizing) ancianita Sep 2019 #19
F U C K T H A T! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2019 #20
They don't dictate anything about a "whistle blower deal", that's the point behind the WB law!!! George II Sep 2019 #22
No, Trump, you get no deal. You get nothing! You LOSE! SunSeeker Sep 2019 #23
JUST SAY NO! regnaD kciN Sep 2019 #24
Since when is a credible and serious complaint turned over to the person that the complaint is about Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #29
A plea deal? If Trump and Pence admit guilt, they won't get prosecuted after resigning? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #31
Fuck with the deals... turn over the evidence or just add an obstruction charge InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #36
A DEAL? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #43

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
33. Yup, it's Watergate all over again... tRump's goose is cooked!!
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:59 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
5. Really!
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:08 PM
Sep 2019

"Your honor, I was not at _______ on_______ with ________. I did ___________ when I _________ after I went to the ______. In this empty bag was a _____________ that I ______________ with."

That works great. I bet you could win a case with that.

Redactions don't cut in this case.

calimary

(81,212 posts)
32. They'll make a "Mad-lib" word salad out of it.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:54 AM
Sep 2019

Hey, CONS, you can fill in the blanks with whatever words you think will exonerate your “hero.”

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. Time for negotiations must be over, time for democrats to do their duty
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:06 PM
Sep 2019

They swore to do.


The whistleblower in front of an open impeachment inquiry committee under oath on TV.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
34. I think they'll come through this time with Nancy now out in front supporting a impeachment inquiry.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:02 AM
Sep 2019

Nancy deserves a lot of credit for finally making this come to fruition.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
37. I think she was forced into this position and still wonder why no accoutnabilty has been
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:07 AM
Sep 2019

forced on ANY trump admin official yet. You should not be able to ignore subpoenas or lie to congress with out repercussions and yet no one has suffered any.

For this "inquiry" to be real, democrats have to be willing to play it the way republicans do when they deal with democrats

so far, we haven;t seen the game elevated to contempt charges with fines or other impeachment inquiries into the likes of Barr and DeVoss (and others) who both have lied directly to congress on multiple occasions.

Does trump really fear Pelosi? Does GOP?

We really haven;t given them any reason to yet

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
38. Oh, it's comin... no way the Democrats blow this golden opportunity to be rid of that POS.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
40. highly unlikey he will be "rid of" except for not being re-elected
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:11 AM
Sep 2019

GOP in the Senate will never convict even if photos of trum banging a 16yr were part of the charges.

Realistically this is all politics now and who better can build the outrage and get voters out in Nov 2020

trump won;t be removed by impeachment

orangecrush

(19,534 posts)
42. Senate repubs will impeach
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 10:52 AM
Sep 2019

If it becomes apparent political suicide not to do so.

And we may already be there.

Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
25. What the HELL are they hiding?
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:34 AM
Sep 2019

Innocent people hide nothing. Open up the entire report. They got away with it once, with the Mueller report. This time, we need open, truthful communication. The gop has covered his fat orange arse for too long.

Response to Scarsdale (Reply #25)

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
35. It does make you wonder.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:03 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
7. This may be a dumb question, but...
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:10 PM
Sep 2019

Why can't the whistleblower just contact a member of the House Intelligence Committee directly? The DNI is in violation of the law by not doing his duty, so it would seem appropriate to preempt him at this point.

And why does the WH even have a say in whether he or she can speak to a member of the Committee - or any member of Congress, for that matter?



On edit: Just read in HuffPo that the whistleblower's attorney has told the committee that he or she would like to meet with them. Now that's what I'm talking about!

canetoad

(17,151 posts)
17. Read on Lawfare a few days ago
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:03 PM
Sep 2019

That by law the DNI shall provide the complaint to Congress (as we know) OR the DNI shall advise the whistleblower on how to contact the appropriate committee directly.

The whistleblower, his lawyers, the IG and the Democrats all want to do this by the book, so it makes sense in this context.

CincyDem

(6,351 posts)
27. Reported last night: Whistle blower lawyer wrote to Acting DNI asking for that guidance.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:40 AM
Sep 2019


Effectively said "WB wants to talk to congress, please provide guidance".

Response: We don't think the IG assessment of "urgent" is correct based on input from DoJ and, as a result, WB isn't protected by the statute. That said, we appreciate that they want to speak with congress and we'll get back to you in a few days after we receive guidance from the key parties.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
30. Good to know.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:51 AM
Sep 2019

Whistleblower protection is not something to be thrown away or risked lightly. Thanks for the update!

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
21. Yes, do it all by the book, but....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:33 PM
Sep 2019

...if this shit drags on, they should just invite the whistleblower to testify.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
39. YESSSSS!!!
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
12. They already said they would not convict him in the Senate so I doubt that he is spooked over that.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:17 PM
Sep 2019

What he is probably spooked over is it going to court and then being ordered to provide an unredacted version is what is probably spooking him.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
26. By backing him, the gop
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:39 AM
Sep 2019

is paving the way for the destruction of the (R) party. Unlawful behaviour must be stopped. They impeached Clinton for a BJ, for gawd sake. This clown is selling out the entire country. The gop is complicit. More impeachments should follow, Pence, Barr, Moscow Mitch, Mulvany and others were all "in on it". So far the media has helped the gop cover their crimes. Time for TRUTH and HONESTY.

calimary

(81,212 posts)
41. One can hope it paves the way for that.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:31 AM
Sep 2019

Reminds me of all those reckless voters who said in 2016 that they “just want to burn it all down”. They may have thought that was the “maverick-y” thing to do. They had NO idea...

erronis

(15,241 posts)
13. The "transcript' will not be a verbatim recording of the words spoken by both sides.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:19 PM
Sep 2019

It is what is recorded by personnel sitting with the pResident and it is just hand-written notes. These personnel are not likely to be completely uninvolved with the ahole and may be pressured on what they record.

Why aren't unfalsifiable tapings allowed?

In any case the NSA/KGB/Mossad/5Eyes/etc. will have complete recordings. Just not the plebes of the US.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
16. Consider the Source....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:56 PM
Sep 2019

The NEW YORK TIMES. How many times they have put out lead balloons on Trump's behalf? Remember Hillary's Emails -- i.e. the New York Times main "story" for a freaking year?

Again, consider the source.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
24. JUST SAY NO!
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:25 AM
Sep 2019

"No" to a redacted anything. Any other result, or anything that implies that a redacted version will be acceptable, will only mean we're going to get another "Barr summary"...and, by the time we see the unredacted version (if we ever do), the media and American public will have "moved on" and the time for action will have passed.

And "no" to "negotiated terms" for the whistleblower. That likely means "the Republican and Democratic heads of the Intelligence Committee, with the provision that they're not allowed to relay the actual information to anyone beyond the hearing room's walls." If we allow that, there will be no media focus, the Republicans will emerge from the hearing declaring that nothing revealed there implicated Trump and that this is merely "a Democrat witch-hunt," the Democrats will disagree but be legally unable to reveal anything to substantiate their claims, and it'll be all over but the shouting.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
29. Since when is a credible and serious complaint turned over to the person that the complaint is about
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:47 AM
Sep 2019

Since when do criminals get to arrange deals with their witnesses?

Since when does the target of a complaint get to arrange the circumstances of how the witness will report?

Is anyone buying this attempted cover up?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
31. A plea deal? If Trump and Pence admit guilt, they won't get prosecuted after resigning?
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:52 AM
Sep 2019

That seems the only reasonable deal.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. Fuck with the deals... turn over the evidence or just add an obstruction charge
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:07 AM
Sep 2019

to the letters of impeachment.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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