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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:15 AM Sep 2019

House Judiciary Chairman calls on the Attorney General to Recuse Himself

Source: CNN

In a tweet, House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler called on Attorney General Bill Barr to recuse himself “until we get to the bottom of this matter.”

(((Rep. Nadler)))

@RepJerryNadler
The President dragged the Attorney General into this mess. At a minimum, AG Barr must recuse himself until we get to the bottom of this matter. #UkraineTranscript

The New York Times

@nytimes
Breaking News: The White House released the transcript of President Trump’s call with the leader of Ukraine. The transcript shows Trump urged Ukraine’s leader to contact Attorney General William Barr about opening an inquiry tied to Joe Biden. https://nyti.ms/2lwo2rp


More context: In the transcript of the call, Trump told the Ukrainian president: "I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it."


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-09-25-2019/index.html




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House Judiciary Chairman calls on the Attorney General to Recuse Himself (Original Post) crazytown Sep 2019 OP
Nadler is shrewd, and ouch that hits Barr hard bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #1
Barr is a crook, he will not recuse himself, he is up to his eyebrows on all this Perseus Sep 2019 #7
question is if LowBarr doesn't recuse himself, which is most likely not, what the Judiciary can do onetexan Sep 2019 #11
He can be impeached? 2naSalit Sep 2019 #28
Then let him go to prison. volstork Sep 2019 #12
He wouldn't be the first! Grins Sep 2019 #21
Rules are for losers. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #13
You may be right. Some research would suggest an insideous long game has had some success. steventh Sep 2019 #20
And... the VP also is involved and should Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Sep 2019 #4
And while we're at it, sworn testimony to Congress might be helpful bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #3
And now we know the definitive answer Sogo Sep 2019 #18
yeah, there was just something hesitant in his answer bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #19
What the Wh released is NOT a transcript. pangaia Sep 2019 #5
I learned yesterday SCVDem Sep 2019 #9
Aren't there comm or intel systems that pick up these conversations? AT&T or NSA, (per Snowen)? ancianita Sep 2019 #17
Exactly!! It's is not a verbatim transcript of the recording. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #16
Yeah, like trump speaks like that? moonseller66 Sep 2019 #6
And by Barr, we mean Barr, not Mike Pence, as today's BS transcript substitutes. ffr Sep 2019 #8
If only he would impeach himself FakeNoose Sep 2019 #10
Actually democrats should announce impeachment inquiry into Barr, they beachbumbob Sep 2019 #14
K & R Duppers Sep 2019 #15
Save yourself some time and embarrassment, Barr. SergeStorms Sep 2019 #22
Here we go; things are happing now. Optical.Catalyst Sep 2019 #23
That's like asking Jabba the Hutt to be nice. dchill Sep 2019 #24
K&R ck4829 Sep 2019 #25
Recurse? Aussie105 Sep 2019 #26
Barr should be disbarred! Linda Ed Sep 2019 #27

bucolic_frolic

(43,121 posts)
1. Nadler is shrewd, and ouch that hits Barr hard
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:25 AM
Sep 2019

So many conflicts of interest because Trump has blended all the players together from inside and outside government and campaign and private life. It's a toxic stew.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
7. Barr is a crook, he will not recuse himself, he is up to his eyebrows on all this
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:57 AM
Sep 2019

He must be deeply compromised or is a nut case who actually believes on all the circus this administration has always been.

I wish I could understand it, a person who works hard to become a lawyer, a judge, a DOJ to then sell his soul to an idiot, what is in it for him? Is he involved in corruption with the creature? Is he hoping to make money from all this?

onetexan

(13,033 posts)
11. question is if LowBarr doesn't recuse himself, which is most likely not, what the Judiciary can do
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:23 PM
Sep 2019

can they hold him in contempt? what actions can they take? Can they start investigating him as well?

Grins

(7,205 posts)
21. He wouldn't be the first!
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:21 PM
Sep 2019

That would be John Mitchell, who worked for another Republican criminal of a president, a president whose light might dim a bit as the most corrupt president we ever had, all thanks to Bill Barr’s current Republican boss.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
13. Rules are for losers.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:40 PM
Sep 2019

The GOP has been playing the long game. Decades. They are this close to squashing representative government without actually changing the Constitution. They are not going to fold. Much as I think Moscow Mitch & many others are disgusted with & sick of the orange pustule in the WH, the GOP is almost within reach of their goal. They control the media. They control the voting machines. They have lied, cheated, stolen, & bought their way to power & they aren't giving it up over some stupid rules.

steventh

(2,143 posts)
20. You may be right. Some research would suggest an insideous long game has had some success.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:12 PM
Sep 2019

Nancy MacLean's book, "Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right's Stealth Plan for America" and Jeff Sharlet's book, "The Family: the Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" describe a secret long game by a group of wealthy individuals plotting to grab power and take over the US government for their own agenda. They have had some success, as you point out.

Most troubling to me in the takeover attempt is the stacking of the judiciary with right wing candidates, Attorney William Barr and Supreme Court Justice Brett Cavanaugh being the worst of these threats to democracy.

In the best of all worlds, I would like to see the Democrats win the presidency and the US Senate in 2020, then proceed with criminal charges, i.e., for perjury, against those two individuals.

Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #2)

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
18. And now we know the definitive answer
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:33 PM
Sep 2019

to his non-answer....although we had a pretty good idea at the time. But now we have details.

bucolic_frolic

(43,121 posts)
19. yeah, there was just something hesitant in his answer
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:38 PM
Sep 2019

he was mulling something over, in a 'should i mention it' kind of way. did we actually discuss it, or was it a hypothetical, was it a trial balloon .... he sorta wanted to say something, but he didn't

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. What the Wh released is NOT a transcript.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:49 AM
Sep 2019

It is a(fake) summary of what people 'remembered' about the call...



 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
9. I learned yesterday
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Sep 2019

There might be three people taking dictation of a call. Then they compare notes and release a final summary.

No recording devices since Nixon.

ancianita

(36,016 posts)
17. Aren't there comm or intel systems that pick up these conversations? AT&T or NSA, (per Snowen)?
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:52 PM
Sep 2019

As there are court subpoenas from corporate comm systems of conversation transcripts for everyone in the country, so there would be big data captures of these conversations, yes?

Some tech can or should be consulting them -- even Andrew Yang could probably know -- about how to get the original convo transcripts, yes?

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think Congress is necessarily stuck with what they're given.

ffr

(22,668 posts)
8. And by Barr, we mean Barr, not Mike Pence, as today's BS transcript substitutes.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:06 PM
Sep 2019

We mean fat Darth Vadar.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
14. Actually democrats should announce impeachment inquiry into Barr, they
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:41 PM
Sep 2019

have ample evidence to pass articles of impeachment and let a McConnel defend him...time take the gloves off and act with courage.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
22. Save yourself some time and embarrassment, Barr.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:21 PM
Sep 2019

Resign immediately, and you might be able to salvage a shred of whatever dignity you have remaining. Being right next to Donald Trump on the shit-pile of history is nothing to be proud of.

Optical.Catalyst

(1,355 posts)
23. Here we go; things are happing now.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:27 PM
Sep 2019

After Congress forces AG Barr to recuse, we will get the appointment of a Special Council to investigate the Trump / Ukraine connection. Perhaps this time around, the SC will have Trump under oath before a Grand Jury.

We hold the evidence this time, and Trump is going to be charged.

Aussie105

(5,366 posts)
26. Recurse?
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:31 AM
Sep 2019

Is that a euphemism for 'go jump off a cliff'?

But if Jabba has any smarts at all, he will see the whirlpool that is about to drag Trump down into the bowels of Hell, and swim away as fast as he can so he doesn't go down as well.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
27. Barr should be disbarred!
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:48 AM
Sep 2019

It's now clear that AG Barr led a corrupt crusade behind the scenes to quash the whistleblower complaint against Trump. An impeachment inquiry is the best way for the House to get around Barr's blockade and hold Trump accountable.

William Barr Hit a New Low In His Crusade to Bury the Whistleblower Complaint
The Justice Department released a statement Wednesday claiming that neither Trump nor Giuliani have spoken with Barr about pressuring Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son. But there is ample evidence that Barr played a substantial role in protecting Trump from a whistleblower complaint over the call.

Important point -- Barr/DOJ advised the DNI not to share the whistleblower complaint, even as Barr/DOJ was named on the call at the heart of the whistleblower complaint.
So the Barr DoJ was suppressing a whistle blower complaint that apparently implicates Barr in Trump’s Ukraine scheme. The corruption is everywhere in this Administration.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/barr-trump-ukraine-doj-whistleblower-complaint.html

Schiff sent a letter to Barr Wednesday saying the DOJ’s involvement “raises the specter that the Department has participated in a dangerous cover-up to protect the President.”

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