London Bridge attack - Anti Terror police shoot man in fake suicide vest dead after stabbing

[brooklynite]

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:42 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: The Independent

A man has been shot by police near London Bridge in an incident which is being responded to "as though it is terror-related", the Metropolitan Police said.

Footage on social media appeared to show armed officers surround a person on the ground before discharging a weapon, while a bystander appears to remove a large knife from the scene.

The witness video appears to show a man being shot on the pavement of the north-bound carriageway on the western side, near Fishmongers' Hall.



Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-latest-live-incident-gun-shot-fired-police-updates-a9226236.html

[mzmolly]

1. Probably one of the ISIS fighters tRump let go and later

invited to head to Europe.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

9. Wouldn't surprise me

[stevesinpa]

40. we are the left wing of our nation.

we deal in facts, please don't make statements using the word "probably" unless you have proof to back it up. reports say the man was a convicted terrorist but never mentioned isis.

[mzmolly]

46. The difference

is - I indicated 'probably' vs. stated something as fact, that is not known to be fact. However:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/isis-claims-london-bridge-attack-was-carried-out-by-one-of-its-fighters-a4301276.html

[at140]

2. UK has perhaps the most home grown terrorists

of any European country.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

3. Uh

Did they shoot an disarmed man on the ground?
That is how I read it, but am not going to watch.

[Historic NY]

6. I think because he had a suicide vest on.....

which turned out later to be a fake.

[Historic NY]

7. I think because he had a suicide vest on.....

which turned out later to be a fake.

[The King of Prussia]

11. He was wearing a suicide vest

Which turned out to be fake. His choice. My wife works near London Bridge. The police and public were very brave. I am delighted that the c*nt is dead.

[oldsoftie]

21. Didnt know he was "disarmed" at the time. Shoot first at a time like that.

Fuck that guy. Doesnt matter if the vest was a fake.

[Polybius]

37. Thankfully yes and he's dead

Fuck him.

[stevesinpa]

41. as far as the police knew

no he was not disarmed. he had rigged a fake suicide vest. the police took the right and legal action to protect the public and themselves. the man had already attacked several people and no one knew at the time his vest was a fake. hindsight is 20/20, but the civilians that acted, and the police are heroes.

[mn9driver]

4. Expect a disgusting tweet by this afternoon.

The shitgibbon won’t pass up this opportunity to divide and inflame.

[BlueTsunami2018]

5. He stabbed a bunch of people and had a fake suicide vest on.

He was asking for what he received. I’m not going to attack the police on this one, they were doing their job.

[Aristus]

8. I'm guessing the guy didn't say to the police:

"HeyheyHEY! It's fake! It's FAKE!

So, no tears for him...

[Igel]

19. And if he had, the proper response would have been

( bang! bang! )

[Polybius]

45. Or say

"Well, this one's real." Bang! Bang!

[Collimator]

10. The bridge has been misidentified by multiple news sources.

It is Tower Bridge, not London Bridge. London Bridge is in Arizona, or so I last heard.

[The King of Prussia]

12. No. You have misidentified it.

There is still a London Bridge. The old London Bridge is in Arizona.

[Collimator]

13. I am simply going on what my English friend wrote on another forum.

The "official" name of the bridge shown on the news is Tower Bridge. I do not know if news organizations have been identifying it as "a" London Bridge.

[The King of Prussia]

14. Incorrect.

I believe that some US news outlets have, incorrectly and unsurprisingly, shown pictures of Tower Bridge. The bridge is London Bridge.
You have been corrected. Stop spreading mis-information.

[Collimator]

17. If I understand the factual point being made. . .

The attack did, indeed, take place in a location correctly identified as "London Bridge". The mistake made is with the news organizations that showed a picture of a bridge that is named, "Tower Bridge".

I misinterpreted my friend's point about precisely what was inaccurate. That being said, I have interpreted your tone in the above response as terse, perhaps imperious and brusque beyond rude.

I am a human being who misunderstood some information. I am not willfully "spreading misinformation" to the detriment of society. Furthermore, I am trying really, really hard not to write something here that might get me censured or banned from this forum.

In the future, do try to remember that "King of Prussia" is your chosen username, not an actual title that confers upon you any real power to command others.

[The King of Prussia]

20. You identified the bridge as Tower Bridge

You were incorrect. I politely pointed that out. You persisted. You have revealed a great deal about yourself.

[Collimator]

22. Nothing about the second post would be considered polite by most readers.

Even the first one didn't help me to understand the crucial point of where the error was being made. Two other posters were able to do that in a far more tactful manner.

And, indeed, I do reveal a great deal of myself when I write. It has always been my opinion that --

"Writing is like being naked on paper, and knowing that it could all be thrown away in the trash."

[The King of Prussia]

28. Lets be very clear about what you are

You said: "It is Tower Bridge."

Lie.

You said: "The "official" name of the bridge shown on the news is Tower Bridge."

Lie.

You said: "I have interpreted your tone in the above response as terse."


An incorrect interpretation. For you information, this is how I am when I am terse.

You are, or at least want to give the impression that you are, rude and dishonest.

[Collimator]

30. Okay, now you're being hilarious.

I did not "LIE". I was mistaken. I was mistaken in my first post and mistaken in my interpretation of what you were correcting.

I was not mistaken in my interpretation of your tone towards me. My own feelings are the measure for my interpretation, and I know what I felt when I read your admonishment. Just as you know how you feel when reading my own responses.

As for your statement : "You are, or at least want to give the impression that you are, rude and dishonest." I strongly protest.

I am not rude; I am snarky. I am also a master at brittle, arched civility. I am certainly not dishonest by nature.

If it is your wish to continue back and forth in this manner, I would be more than willing to accommodate you. Not only do I enjoy writing, but consulting a thesaurus is-- for me-- the equivalent of being given a huge box of crayons.

However, the requirements of civility caution me to remember that there are other people reading this post as well as the rest of this forum. Those individuals may not be as amused by our exchange as I have become.

Therefore, I suggest that we set aside this little contretemps. You can go and make clear to everyone in your life outside this forum about "what I am." I will continue to see myself as a standard issue, fallible human being who at least tries to be honest and reasonable and who at the moment is stretching her self-assigned standard of "arched civility". Thus, I must cease and desist.

Bonne Soiree

[dware]

31. Bravo.

Very well put.

[BooScout]

33. Oh ffs...

Two people were killed on the fucking bridge. Both of you need to get your priorities in order and quit bickering over who got their feelings hurt the most. Jfc

[Collimator]

38. Granted, you have a point.

That being said, someone called me a liar when I was simply wrong. So, I let my snark flag fly. And I will admit that my first gut response was in having hurt feelings. However, very quickly, another part of my brain took over.

That's the part of the brain concerned with accuracy and making reasonable interpretations of other peoples' words and actions. If we stop to concern ourselves with the sorts of verbal gaffs and less-than-perfectly-woke behavior of politicians and other public figures and how quickly people on both ends of the political spectrum can pounce on them to denigrate a person's reputation, perhaps that one priority of mine makes sense.

Beyond that, it is true that I was not thinking specifically about the people on the bridge. I became distracted because I was enjoying composing some prose. This does not make me a heartless person with no concern for my fellow human beings.

In all sincerity, you do not know me, therefore you cannot know how sensitive I really am. The fact that my gut response to your post was to feel as though I had been verbally slapped in the face is mostly my own weird pathology which makes it my own responsibility.

Still, I will contend that if your point is that the loss of human life is more important than any cyber skirmish --and it most certainly is--then perhaps you could find a way to make that point in a manner that values even the humanity of the people that you wish to correct.

[oldsoftie]

43. And here, the best response of all.

[stevesinpa]

42. why cant you just admit you were wrong?

why all the butt hurt? you were corrected, you persisted. grow up

[Collimator]

44. I did admit that I was wrong.

I did so more than once.

When someone said that I lied; I defended myself. When two people made the effort to correct my mistake without casting any personal aspersions; I thanked them. When someone effectively cursed at me; I responded.

You have made the suggestion that I am being childish here. I will definitely take that point under advisement.

Both you and the poster King of Prussia noted that I have "persisted". Damn right I persisted. Someone called me a liar and implied that I deliberately tried to "spread misinformation". Those are insults to the core of my belief system. I will always persist in the defense of my character.

Now, if you would like to insult my personality, that's another matter. There are a lot of valid criticisms that could be leveled at me right now. I am stubborn, overly sensitive, verbose, pompous, snarky. I could go on here, but who am I to deny someone else their freedom of expression?

[chowder66]

15. It's not the Tower Bridge.

Tower Bridge is a combined bascule and suspension bridge in London, built between 1886 and 1894. The bridge crosses the River Thames close to the Tower of London and has become an iconic symbol of London. As a result, it is sometimes confused with London Bridge, about half a mile (0.8 km) upstream. Tower Bridge is one of five London bridges owned and maintained by the Bridge House Estates, a charitable trust overseen by the City of London Corporation. It is the only one of the trust's bridges not to connect the City of London directly to the Southwark bank, as its northern landfall is in Tower Hamlets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Bridge


You can google London Bridge and see it on google maps.

[Collimator]

18. Thank you.

To both chowder66 and Retrograde for providing me with correct information. I have now learned something and for that, I am always grateful.

[chowder66]

34. Glad to help!

I knew it was the London Bridge for sure when there was a shot I recognized. I went to the Guild Hall Library way back when. The area they showed was in the financial district. Plus I went to Tower Bridge later that day.

What I learned was that a lot of people mistake the two. That was news to me!

[braddy]

23. I still chuckle at the London bridge being in Arizona, that is quite a souvenir.

[Retrograde]

16. They're two different bridges

Tower Bridge is the ornate one with the tall supports, built in the late 19th century. It's the one that shows up on postcards and establishing shots of London. London Bridge is upriver, built in the 1960s or 70s as the replacement for the one that moved to Arizona, and is plain and boring. When my husband worked in Southwark he walked across London Bridge nearly every day.

The pictures at the Guardian website clearly show London Bridge as the site of the attack. Which makes sense - it has a lot of pedestrian traffic.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. "reports that one man had taken a five-foot long narwhale tusk from the hall to confront him"

Police confirmed the suspect died at the scene. It is believed that he was acting alone. In a statement on Friday night, the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick said the attack from start to finish lasted five minutes. Police were called to a report of stabbings at Fishmongers’ Hall, just by the northern end of London Bridge at 1.58pm, with armed officers, helped by members of the public, confronting the suspect by 2.03pm. There were reports that one man had taken a five-foot long narwhale tusk from the hall to confront him.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-police-shoot-stabbing-suspect-after-five-injured

Truly bizarre.

[jberryhill]

26. Unicorns of death

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Two people killed in London Bridge terrorist attack, police confirm

not including the perpetrator:

Two people were killed and three more were injured in a terrorist attack near London Bridge on Friday, police have confirmed. The suspect was wrestled to the ground by passersby and shot dead by officers.

The suspect, who police say was wearing a fake suicide vest, was killed after emergency services were called to a stabbing incident at premises near the bridge shortly before 2pm on Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-police-shoot-stabbing-suspect-after-five-injured

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Recently released from prison for terrorism-related offences, wearing an electronic tag

The attacker is understood to have been wearing an electronic tag when he staged the attack after being released from prison for terrorism related offences.

He was known to the authorities at MI5 and police because of his previous conviction, sources confirm.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-incident-police-city?page=with:block-5de19a578f08dcf251b4bd43#block-5de19a578f08dcf251b4bd43

On the BBC, and in The Times too.

[dware]

32. So he decided to commit a terrorist act while wearing an electronic tag?

This guy was a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[christx30]

36. Would have been better if he had not been released.

But he wanted to become a martyr, no matter how many others he had to take with him. The world is now better off now that he’s dead.

[The Mouth]

35. Good riddance EOM

[dalton99a]

39. The asshole murdered two innocent people.