Gov. Newsom orders California bars to close, tells older residents to isolate due to coronavirus

[demmiblue]

Source: SacBee

Faced with mounting coronavirus infections, California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Sunday issued sweeping new restrictions in California, calling for home isolation of everyone in the state over age 65, the high-risk population group.

He also ordered mandatory closure of all bars, wine bars, breweries and pubs, as well as called for restaurants to reduce their occupancy by half.

The dramatic ruling, to keep people away from each other and to slow transmission rate, stopped short of closing restaurants. Instead, the governor said they can operate with curbside food service and at-home food deliveries.

Governors in Ohio and Illinois issued similar edicts on Sunday as the country stepped up what some criticize as slow efforts to curb the pandemic, which started in China in December and reached the U.S. several weeks ago.

The governor, speaking at a Sunday afternoon press conference, also announced the state will prohibit visitors to nursing homes and has issued a mandatory isolation order for people age 70 and above, and said the state will launch an effort to get homeless indoors in trailers and motels.

Read more: https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241212146.html

[evertonfc]

1. can't wait to see how this experiment works

the numbet of employres that will lose thier shirts will be staggering

[C Moon]

5. Experiment?

[evertonfc]

9. yes

closing businesses

[C Moon]

19. How is that an experiment? It's being done all over the world in an effort to control the virus.

You say it like you think Newsom has come up with some half-schemed hair-brained experiment to stop the virus. He's doing what he is supposed to do and what many governors across the US are doing.

[Igel]

20. And yet it's still an experiment.

"An experiment is a procedure carried out to support, refute, or validate a hypothesis."

Half-baked and hare-brained aren't part of the definition. For some it may be part of a connotation, but that's far from universal and isn't normative.

There's a hypothesis. If we close businesses then transmission will be radically reduced. Buried in there is the assumption that the risk from unemployment and failed businesses is less than the spread of the virus, but that's going on the assumption that since we think we know the risk from the virus that's the only risk.

Same for calling for those 65+ to remain in the homes. At some point they have to come out for things like food and perhaps medical care, otherwise in 6 months we'll have a lot of homes to remove cadavers from. It's the best guess that it'll sharply reduce transmission rates, but "best guess" is just another word for "hypothesis." And we'll see if the hypothesis is falsified or not.

[SunSeeker]

24. It's not an experiment. We know that social distancing works.

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

[BamaRefugee]

27. We have to come out to work too! I'm 68 and work 7 days a week

No income means death for me, my entire social security check goes to my rent, and I still have to pay some on top of that.

No work means I don’t eat, can’t pay my debts, my pets starve, and my car gets repossessed.

There’s no “work from home “ for me, and independent contractors can’t get unemployment.

So it’s over for me either way you look at it.

Not whining, not complaining, it’s just the new reality.

[SunSeeker]

25. Just stop. You are DEAD WRONG and your post is DANGEROUS.

Link to tweet

We can rebuild our economy. We can't get back LOST LIVES.

[BamaRefugee]

28. Without showing the population of those two towns, what's the point of that chart?

It just shows the number of cases, not per thousand people or anything. For all I know Lodi might only have 1500 people, meaning the whole town is infected while Bergamo might have 100,000 and actually be far better off.

Help me understand.

[SunSeeker]

29. The size of the population does not matter, it is the rate of infection that matters.

If you allow the rate of infection to go up exponentially, it will quickly overwhelm the local hospitals. A big town has more hospital beds, but more people as well. The percentages are usually maintained in terms of hospital beds/1,000 people. That is why it is so important to flatten the infection growth curve. Please read the following article, which explains why flattening the curve is so important: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/13/815502262/flattening-a-pandemics-curve-why-staying-home-now-can-save-lives

Also, this Facebook post by a Texas ICU nurse puts it in terms everyone can understand, without any graphs, if you don't like graphs: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158192051887320&id=678637319

You can Google it yourself, but the province of Bergamo population is 1.1 million; the province of Lodi is 229,541. So no, Lodi does not have just 1,500 people; they were able to flatten the curve through social distancing.

[beachbumbob]

2. on the tip of getting real

[left-of-center2012]

3. Damn ! But good too.

My friend of 45 years lives in San Diego. He falls under the 'mandatory isolation', lives alone.
Already sees a psychiatrist for depression.

Good CA is taking it serious.

[DarthDem]

26. All my best to your friend.

He's lucky to have friends like you he can count on.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. What will Devin Nunes do?

[BigmanPigman]

10. Have a cow.

[deurbano]

12. Watch out! Nunes might sue you!

[BigmanPigman]

14. Fuck Devin Moooooooooones!

[Merlot]

6. So now we can do this?

the state will launch an effort to get homeless indoors in trailers and motels.

[JudyM]

15. Yeah, right, when others are at risk.

[Hekate]

7. KnR

[MarcA]

8. With panic buying food shortages in stores and closing restaurants in some places

hopefully they will have delivery and take out services available. Other than waiting in
engine-running long lines at fast food restaurants what alternatives to Not eating are available.

[deurbano]

11. I just watched Gov. Newsom's press conference, and man, actual leadership is reassuring.

Earlier today I read a very alarming account on Talking Points Memo (all coronavirus information is accessible to non-subscribers, and Josh Marshall was warning about the pandemic early on) of the situation in the Bay Area (I live in SF) by an emergency room doctor. The governor's press conference actually made me less anxious, and now I feel (somewhat) more hopeful about how this will unfold. Newsom is addressing this emergency in an extremely serious, comprehensive and competent (imagine that!) way. He actually spoke of meeting the needs of students with disabilities while schools are shut down! He's so articulate and has a detailed command of the numbers and issues. (I used to think he was a lightweight, but I was wrong.) Watch the press conference if it's available; he seems likely to be president one day.

Then the press conference was cut short so we could watch the MAGAt King start his own press conference, and the contrast was like night and day. I wanted to throw something at the TV.

[Liberty Belle]

13. Damn! Mom, 89, has run out of checks and money. She needs to go to the bank.

She was all set to add me to her accounts so I could help her with her shopping and bill paying.

Now what?

She is totally depressed already over us keeping her at home the last 2 weeks and has been pleading us to take her places.

People should be allowed a certain amount of free choice. Mom says she'd rather die than be so isolated, and there's no time frame on when this will end.

I totally understand the reasons, but I disagree with forcing seniors to be so isolated. I'm only 3 years shy of that cutoff date myself.

[JudyM]

17. The paperwork to add you can be done by mail if you happen to have a notary in the neighborhood.

I finally got that taken care of with my mom and it’s a relief to both of us. Good luck!

[CountAllVotes]

18. Can she open a joint online savings account with you?

I don't know if this is possible, but perhaps so.

It may be worth looking into, and if so, you'd have access to her money and could help her.

Just a thought is all.

I wish you and your mother the best!

[LuckyLib]

21. Take her on a little driving trip. Just being "out" doesn't have to mean

putting herself at risk.

[shanti]

22. Newsome is forcing seniors to do this

because the younger people are NOT taking this seriously! They do not give a fuck! So please, talk to your mother and convince her that it's for her own good. I won't be 65 until November, but I'm still going to self-isolate. This is deadly serious and going to take sacrifice from everyone.

Peace