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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,884 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:34 PM Mar 2020

Trump outlines national guard activations for New York, California and Washington

Source: CNN

Donald Trump said Sunday that the federal government has activated US National Guard units for three of the states hardest hit by the novel coronavirus -- New York, California and Washington state.

"And through (Federal Emergency Management Agency), the federal government will be funding 100% of the cost of deploying national guard units to carry out approved missions to stop the virus while those governors remain in command," the President said at a White House briefing.

Trump described the federal government as a "backup" to the state leaders, underscoring the importance of keeping governors "in command."

"We'll be following them and we hope they can do the job and I think they will. I spoke with all three of the governors today, just a little while ago and they're very happy with what we're going to be doing." Trump said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-outlines-national-guard-activations-for-new-york-california-washington/ar-BB11y9wu?li=BBnb7Kz

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Trump outlines national guard activations for New York, California and Washington (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 OP
You just know he's wearing a Bonaparte uniform dancing NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #1
Dancing with Hope and naked from the waist down? Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #2
I'm confused. Habibi Mar 2020 #3
Aren't governors completely in charge of their state's National Guard ? bobbieinok Mar 2020 #4
My understanding is this was done at the governors' request Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #5
But can't govs call up own guard? Don't need feds to do it? bobbieinok Mar 2020 #12
There exists three mechanisms for calling up a state's national guard Massacure Mar 2020 #17
Is this like when the bill gets presented at a restaurant Steelrolled Mar 2020 #18
Thanks for the laugh! redwitch Mar 2020 #26
During Press Conferance they ( he ) meaning Kathy M Mar 2020 #21
The whole reason for the NG is for the states to protect themselves against the feds if need be Polybius Mar 2020 #22
Nope sarisataka Mar 2020 #14
I thought they were considered the "well regulated militia" that states control Polybius Mar 2020 #23
Not since 1933 sarisataka Mar 2020 #25
The article in unclear to me - what does "activated" mean? Has trump ordered that National Guard iluvtennis Mar 2020 #6
My understanding is by Trump doing it the Federal Government picks up the tab. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #8
OK, so, he just putting up federal funds to help pay for it. That's what he should have said. He's iluvtennis Mar 2020 #10
Found this informative article about activating the NG: Habibi Mar 2020 #7
Thanks for this info. - much appreciated. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #13
The willful bumbling and unloading of responsibility onto governors Ponietz Mar 2020 #9
But hey, his "Marshall Law" tweet will be funny for like 3 seconds at least (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #37
Never thought of that Ponietz Mar 2020 #38
"Approved missions to stop the virus" bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #11
He just reads what others write for the teleprompter and then ad libs in a confused manner Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #15
Isn't the word "mission" widely used in the military, Steelrolled Mar 2020 #19
Correct sarisataka Mar 2020 #20
Yes, the word mission is widely used in the military dware Mar 2020 #33
Idiot. I have my own thoughts which I won't reveal what I think rump should have done to him... SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #16
The states asked him to do this though Polybius Mar 2020 #24
I am not talking about activating the national guard, I'm talking about him taking so long to do it. SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #28
Yeah, he should have opened his eyes in January Polybius Mar 2020 #30
What exactly will they be tasked with? emmaverybo Mar 2020 #27
Well, Donny's involved Grokenstein Mar 2020 #31
Wasn't it the NG that Shot the Students at Kent State tinymontgomery Mar 2020 #29
Yes. Called out in 60's during protests and riots. Governors will be in charge, yes? emmaverybo Mar 2020 #32
Pitifully inadequate. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #34
I'm sorry, but what is pitifully inadequate about it? dware Mar 2020 #35
OMFG. It's only 4k beds (1k to WA, 1k to NY and 2k to CA). SunSeeker Mar 2020 #36
I'm not certain I'm comfortable with them. EllieBC Mar 2020 #39
Fuck head is deliberately not invoking all the powers he has so he can blame the Dem governors. lark Mar 2020 #40

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
12. But can't govs call up own guard? Don't need feds to do it?
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

Only advantage I see here is feds 'supposedly' will pay all expences.....reeally?

Massacure

(7,517 posts)
17. There exists three mechanisms for calling up a state's national guard
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:37 PM
Mar 2020

The first mechanisms is where the State's governor calls out the national guard using whatever manner is describe in his or her state law. The second and third mechanism are codified in Title 32 and Title 10 of federal law respectively. With Title 32, the national guard unit is controlled by state's adjutant general; within Title 10, the national guard unit is assigned to one of the eleven commands within the active duty military (IE, Central Command when they were deployed to Iraq).

If they are called up via Title 32 or Title 10, the federal government pays the cost. If they are called up using state statutes, the state pays.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
18. Is this like when the bill gets presented at a restaurant
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:10 PM
Mar 2020

and everyone waits for someone else to pick it up?

Polybius

(15,373 posts)
22. The whole reason for the NG is for the states to protect themselves against the feds if need be
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:30 PM
Mar 2020

I'm confused too.

sarisataka

(18,573 posts)
14. Nope
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

the NG ultimately is part of the Federal military. The governors are allowed to use them if Washington doesn't want them for something else.

Polybius

(15,373 posts)
23. I thought they were considered the "well regulated militia" that states control
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:32 PM
Mar 2020

I guess I was wrong.

sarisataka

(18,573 posts)
25. Not since 1933
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:49 PM
Mar 2020

when the amending of the National Defense Act officially made the Guard a component of the regular army. They are another reserve force. Soldiers have dual status as state and Federal troops but in the event their is a dispute between the two, SCOTUS has ruled the Federal duty is superior to the state.

The "well regulated militia" has been allowed to atrophy to the point only 21 states have active state defense forces. It is not clear how many people are involved in these forces but it seems the average would be less than 1000 per state. Training varies widely and does not always include weapons or military training.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
6. The article in unclear to me - what does "activated" mean? Has trump ordered that National Guard
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:51 PM
Mar 2020

be deployed to the streets of NY, California, and Washington? If so, when will they be deployed?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,884 posts)
8. My understanding is by Trump doing it the Federal Government picks up the tab.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:55 PM
Mar 2020

The governors will be in charge using the guard where they're needed.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
10. OK, so, he just putting up federal funds to help pay for it. That's what he should have said. He's
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

a lousy communicator.

Habibi

(3,598 posts)
7. Found this informative article about activating the NG:
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:54 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/right-way-activate-national-guard/608524/

Fortunately, the National Guard can be activated in a third way. Under Title 32 status, a guardsman is activated by and remains under the control of the governor, but is paid for by the federal government. This helps relieve the financial burden on the affected state. But it leaves one remaining problem: It does not address the crucial concept of “unity of command,” which is intended to eliminate confusion when military units are operating in the same space, such as when active-duty forces (including medical, mobility, and construction units) are supporting the state as well.

Ponietz

(2,957 posts)
9. The willful bumbling and unloading of responsibility onto governors
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:56 PM
Mar 2020

sets the stage for martial law in weeks or months when, after the fact, we learn the governors can’t, alone, control it. Game, set, match.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
11. "Approved missions to stop the virus"
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

Seriously, he believes this. Sounds like bacterial assault and radiating. Or is it just awkward use of language?

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
19. Isn't the word "mission" widely used in the military,
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:13 PM
Mar 2020

regardless of the kind of work it is? Maybe there are vets here who can asnwer.

dware

(12,361 posts)
33. Yes, the word mission is widely used in the military
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:14 AM
Mar 2020

if one is ordered to clean a table, that's their mission.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
16. Idiot. I have my own thoughts which I won't reveal what I think rump should have done to him...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:30 PM
Mar 2020

in no uncertain terms. Traitor.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
28. I am not talking about activating the national guard, I'm talking about him taking so long to do it.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:17 PM
Mar 2020

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
31. Well, Donny's involved
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:00 AM
Mar 2020

...so it's probably in support of ICE raids, plus just getting the public used to the sight of troops in the street.

tinymontgomery

(2,584 posts)
29. Wasn't it the NG that Shot the Students at Kent State
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:47 PM
Mar 2020

Wasn't it the NG that Shot the Students at Kent State? I know it was
another time but that was an national emergency also wasn't it?

dware

(12,361 posts)
35. I'm sorry, but what is pitifully inadequate about it?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:18 AM
Mar 2020

The Gov. of those states asked for this and under title 32, the states don't have to pick up the tab, the Feds do while the state Gov. retain complete control of those troops.

This is a good thing, for once, the Mango Menace did the right thing.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
36. OMFG. It's only 4k beds (1k to WA, 1k to NY and 2k to CA).
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:49 AM
Mar 2020

Have you even read the article?

NY is horrifically overwhelmed.

I live in the Los Angeles area. Our hospitals are already horrifically overwhelmed. They've run out of masks. ER nurses are begging people to sew them homemade masks on local social media. Cases are EXPLODING and we have given up on contact tracing because we don't even have enough tests for medical personnel and patients in hospitals.

Trump's 2,000 National Guard hospital beds for CA is just a drop in the bucket of what we will need.

It's fucking MATH.

At the rate we're going, 40-60% of California's 40 million people will get infected. So conservatively, at least 40%, that means 16 milion Californians, will be infected. Of those, 20% or 3.2 million, will need hospitlization, based on the experience in China. They will need ventilators; that is why you get hospitalized for Covid-19, because both of your lungs fill up with sticky mucus and you CAN'T BREATHE. CA hospitals are already at capacity. There are only 160,000 ventilators available at America’s hospitals, plus another 10,000 in a “strategic national stockpile” run by the CDC. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240933291.html

Where the fuck are those 3 million Californians who will need ICU ventilators going to go??????

EllieBC

(3,013 posts)
39. I'm not certain I'm comfortable with them.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:26 AM
Mar 2020

I’m thinking about all of the POC in these cities and the NG has been used to put down protests before. I really hope they help and don’t make an already fragile situation break. People in cities are already scared and frustrated.

lark

(23,090 posts)
40. Fuck head is deliberately not invoking all the powers he has so he can blame the Dem governors.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:51 AM
Mar 2020

Also, so he can continue to profit. Wonder how much PUtin is paying him to destroy us?

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