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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,366 posts)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:02 PM Apr 2020

Supreme Court won't review ruling that Metro can ban religious advertising

Source: Washington Post

Courts & Law

Supreme Court won't review ruling that Metro can ban religious advertising

By Robert Barnes
April 6, 2020 at 10:00 a.m. EDT

The Supreme Court will not take up a lower court's decision that Washington's Metro system did not violate the First Amendment by banning religious advertising.

The court on Monday passed on reviewing a decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit that upheld the ban on religious messages on buses and trains and in stations as lawful and free from discrimination.

Two justices said the lower-court decision was wrong. But because Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh was recused after earlier work on the case, "it makes a poor candidate for our review," wrote Justice Neil M. Gorsuch, who was joined by Justice Clarence Thomas.

Nonetheless, he wrote, "The First Amendment requires governments to protect religious viewpoints, not single them out for silencing."

The WMATA system was sued by the Archdiocese of Washington for rejecting a proposed advertisement around Christmas 2017. The planned "Find the Perfect Gift" ads featured a biblical Christmas scene and a link to a website that encouraged people to attend Mass or donate to a Catholic charitable group.

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The case is Archdiocese of Washington v. WMATA. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-1455_9h68.pdf

Ann E. Marimow contributed to this story.

Robert Barnes has been a Washington Post reporter and editor since 1987. He joined The Post to cover Maryland politics, and he has served in various editing positions, including metropolitan editor and national political editor. He has covered the Supreme Court since November 2006. Follow https://twitter.com/scotusreporter

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You'd think that in DC, of all places, anything would go. I'm pretty sure I could handle religious advertising, and I think my fellow passengers -- back when I had fellow passengers -- could handle this too.

Hat tip, Joe.My.God:

SCOTUS: No Religious Ads On DC's Metro System
April 6, 2020

https://www.joemygod.com/2020/04/scotus-no-religious-ads-on-dcs-metro-system/

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Supreme Court won't review ruling that Metro can ban religious advertising


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Supreme Court won't review ruling that Metro can ban religious advertising (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 OP
I can see this. Because if you allow one, you must allow ALL. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #1
So? NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #2
So, I dont want to see some half-assed fake religion/cult advertising for more victims. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #14
The Fake Justice was recused so it would have been a 4-4 tie bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #3
Yes On 4-4 Tie DallasNE Apr 2020 #19
Go for it Traildogbob Apr 2020 #4
Try advertising penis extenders on PTL Club. marble falls Apr 2020 #5
If they're advertised as a cure for "the gay", praise dog. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #6
Maybe we need to advertise brain enhancers, first? marble falls Apr 2020 #7
If they got one of those, sign me up. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #8
Neither is a government body FBaggins Apr 2020 #9
The Metro Is A Government Entity DallasNE Apr 2020 #10
"Gorsuch needs to read the entire First Amendment." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #13
Then His Comprehension Stinks n/t DallasNE Apr 2020 #18
Why is Catholic a "conflict" compared to being Jewish or Methodist? oldsoftie Apr 2020 #15
Thomas & Gorsuch Are Unique On The Court DallasNE Apr 2020 #17
We do have the "We hold these truths to be self evident....." in the Constitution. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #20
No, we don't. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #21
well the Declaration of Independence carries a little weight oldsoftie Apr 2020 #23
I cannot argue with that. I've slipped up like that too. I once started a thread in which I mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #24
Curious... Since Sotamayor is Catholic does that mean she has a conflict? rpannier Apr 2020 #16
Google "Vaughn Walker." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #22
"The First Amendment requires governments to protect religious viewpoints" No, it merely cstanleytech Apr 2020 #11
How this started: 2018: Metro can ban all religious ads on buses and trains, court rules mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #12

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
1. I can see this. Because if you allow one, you must allow ALL.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:09 PM
Apr 2020

And you can claim yourself as a "religion" with very little oversight. Scientologists call themselves a religion.

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
14. So, I dont want to see some half-assed fake religion/cult advertising for more victims.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

Might as well take ads for new porn actresses.

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
3. The Fake Justice was recused so it would have been a 4-4 tie
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:18 PM
Apr 2020

That's what they're saying. Sad to see the complete acceptance of pre-ordained outcomes based on political affiliation, but open minds are in the minority in most cases.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
19. Yes On 4-4 Tie
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:34 PM
Apr 2020

But it is wrong to say both sides consistently base things on political affiliation. On Roe v Wade, yes. But on a broad range of issues only one side is guilty. By your reasoning the 4 Democratic appointed Justices voted no on Citizens United based on political affiliation. I disagree strongly.

Traildogbob

(8,703 posts)
4. Go for it
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

Rastas and snake handlers. Advertise weed and snakes and Jim Jones flavored kool aid. Trumpism is a cult religion. And what about Muslims, would that particular one be singled out. Louisiana Baptist May all be dead.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
8. If they got one of those, sign me up.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 02:03 PM
Apr 2020

Oh hell, sign me up for both.

Throw in a coronavirus vaccine, might as well get three meds.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
10. The Metro Is A Government Entity
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 02:36 PM
Apr 2020

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Gorsuch needs to read the entire First Amendment. Prior court decisions have ruled that this type of advertisement on government premises constitutes an establishment of religion and is therefore not permitted. This case breaks no new ground. Also, both Gorsuch and Thomas are Catholic so they have that as a conflict as well.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,366 posts)
13. "Gorsuch needs to read the entire First Amendment."
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 03:03 PM
Apr 2020

I'm going to take a wild guess here and suspect that he has.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
17. Thomas & Gorsuch Are Unique On The Court
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:11 PM
Apr 2020

Clarence Thomas and justice Neil Gorsuch are an advocate of natural law jurisprudence. The Archdiocese of DC brought suit. To me that is a clear conflict - Indeed, I don't see how they can sit on the Court and not believe in the political rule of law. It seems to me that the First Amendment would make natural law jurisprudence a clear violation of the Establishment Clause. Justice Sotomayor does not have this conflict.

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
20. We do have the "We hold these truths to be self evident....." in the Constitution.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:27 AM
Apr 2020

That specifically mentions rights granted by a creator.
People were afraid of what JFK would do if elected because he was a catholic too. I may not agree with these two on some of their decisions, but I doubt they're basing them solely on their religion

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,366 posts)
24. I cannot argue with that. I've slipped up like that too. I once started a thread in which I
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:20 AM
Apr 2020

presented the preamble to the Constitution as part of the Declaration of Independence.

Been there; done that.

Best wishes.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
16. Curious... Since Sotamayor is Catholic does that mean she has a conflict?
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:16 PM
Apr 2020

Does everyone with a religious belief automatically have a conflict because of their religion?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,366 posts)
22. Google "Vaughn Walker."
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 07:12 AM
Apr 2020
Vaughn Walker

{snip}

Hollingsworth v. Perry

On January 11, 2010, Walker began hearing arguments in Perry v. Brown. The case was a federal-constitutional challenge to California Proposition 8, a voter initiative constitutional amendment that eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry, a right which had previously been granted after the California Supreme Court found that Proposition 22 was unconstitutional. On August 4, 2010, Walker ruled that Proposition 8 was unconstitutional "under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses" and prohibited its enforcement.

On April 25, 2011, supporters of Proposition 8 filed a motion in district court to vacate Walker's decision, citing Walker's own post-trial statement that he has been in a long-term relationship with another man. They argued he should have recused himself or disclosed his relationship status, and unless Walker "disavowed any interest in marrying his partner", he had "a direct personal interest in the outcome of the case." District Court Judge James Ware heard arguments on the motion on June 13 and denied it the next day, writing that "the presumption that Judge Walker, by virtue of being in a same-sex relationship, had a desire to be married that rendered him incapable of making an impartial decision, is as warrantless as the presumption that a female judge is incapable of being impartial in a case in which women seek legal relief." Legal experts noted that similar efforts to remove Hispanic judges from immigration cases or female judges from gender-discrimination cases have also failed in the past.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
11. "The First Amendment requires governments to protect religious viewpoints" No, it merely
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 02:52 PM
Apr 2020

requires that it not interfere with a person expressing their religion or worshipping how they want though even there are limits to that.
For example if you can't cut out another living human's heart to use it in a ritual sacrifice.
Furthermore it does not require the federal government to carry any slogans for any religion on a government owned bus and in fact I would argue that doing so could and would cause the appearance of the government supporting said religion thus it should not be allowed.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,366 posts)
12. How this started: 2018: Metro can ban all religious ads on buses and trains, court rules
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 03:02 PM
Apr 2020

In one of those "only in DC" twists, both sides had former solicitors general of the United States as counsel. Paul Clement, counsel for the Archdiocese of Washington, is a Nirvana fan.

Public Safety

Metro can ban all religious ads on buses and trains, court rules



The ad that prompted the legal challenge from the Archdiocese of Washington. (Archdiocese of Washington)

By Ann E. Marimow
July 31, 2018 at 2:50 p.m. EDT

The Washington region’s transit system can bar religious messages on its buses and trains and in its stations, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday as it upheld Metro’s policy prohibiting issue-oriented advertisements.

The ruling in Metro’s favor from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit came in response to a lawsuit from the Archdiocese of Washington, which said the transit system’s policy had gone too far in rejecting its religious-themed ad campaign.

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In December, the federal judge rejected the request for a preliminary injunction.

On appeal, lawyers for the archdiocese, including former solicitor general Paul D. Clement, told the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit that the policy violates the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The archdiocese also had the support of Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Justice Department had argued that the policy was applied inconsistently.

Metro’s outside counsel, Donald B. Verrilli Jr., another former solicitor general, told the court that accepting the archdiocese’s ads would force the agency to accept other religious-themed ads that could cause “tension and divisiveness” and interfere with the agency’s ability to run the system.

At oral argument, the archdiocese said Metro’s policy unfairly and unconstitutionally singled out the church by allowing secular advertisers to promote Christmas shopping and charitable giving.

{snip}

Ann Marimow
Ann Marimow covers legal affairs for The Washington Post. She joined The Post in 2005 and has covered state government and politics in California, New Hampshire and Maryland. Follow https://twitter.com/amarimow

You don't believe me, do you? While working at home, I'm also throwing out old papers. I ran across this. Read it and be amazed:

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Paul Clement
By Kate Murphy
April 7, 2012

Paul Clement is a former United States solicitor general and current partner with the Washington law firm Bancroft P.L.L.C. He recently received widespread praise even from opponents for his nimble oral arguments before the Supreme Court against the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, a law that if left intact would extend health care coverage to more than 30 million uninsured Americans.

READING Mostly briefs, old Supreme Court cases and the Federalist Papers, so when I get a chance to unwind I grab novels like “True History of the Kelly Gang,” by Peter Carey, which is beautifully written and completely evocative of the early days of Australia. Or I’ll read travel writing, like a bunch of Norman Lewis classics, or humor, like an old P. G. Wodehouse book.

The only legal book I am reading is Chuck Lane’s book on the death penalty. “The Day Freedom Died,” about the Colfax massacre, is one of the best legal books I have read. I am also reading “The Trumpet of the Swan,” by E. B. White, but only out loud and at bedtime to my 9-year-old.

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Credit...Carolyn Kaster/Associated Press

LISTENING It is hard to beat Nirvana’s “Complete Sub Pop Singles.” And I’m a big fan of the Kooks. It’s very catchy and a little less loud than Nirvana and a little more family-friendly.
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