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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:38 PM Apr 2020

Deputies: Florida doctors who took down Trump flag arrested

Source: Associated Press

Updated 9:36 am CDT, Wednesday, April 15, 2020

GULF BREEZE, Fla. (AP) -- Deputies in Florida said two doctors stole a campaign flag supporting President Donald Trump from their neighbor's property.

Geoffrey Michael Fraiche, 41, and Laura Ann Webb-Fraiche, 38, allegedly took the flag on April 7 while their two children were with them, news outlets reported. A Santa Rosa County Sheriff's report said they used a ladder to pull it down.

Both Fraiche and Webb-Fraiche are gynecologists working in different Pensacola hospitals, WKRG-TV reported. They were charged with several crimes, including trespassing and larceny, and released from the county jail. The news outlets did not include any comments from the couple.

The district's Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted Tuesday that their actions showed "despicable parenting." He included a version of a surveillance video with captions added that said their older child asked them to stop. "Apparently two medical degrees lack the decency & common sense of a child," Gaetz added.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/article/Deputies-Florida-doctors-who-took-down-Trump-15201752.php



(Short article, no more at link.)

Too bad the doctors didn't have the political clout Rep. Matt Gaetz always had, growing up as the son of a Florida state senator. When Matt Gaetz was arrested for DUI, somehow his case was bumbled away and nothing came of it.



Matt Gaetz's 2008 DUI arrest resurfaces after jab at Hunter Biden's substance abuse. Here's what happened.

More:
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/12/12/matt-gaetzs-2008-dui-arrest-resurfaces-after-jab-at-hunter-bidens-substance-abuse-heres-what-happened/
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Deputies: Florida doctors who took down Trump flag arrested (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2020 OP
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 SheltieLover Apr 2020 #1
Well, wrong as that was their hearts were in the right place, I guess...LOL. n/t monmouth4 Apr 2020 #2
Good job.. Maxheader Apr 2020 #3
It calls their judgement into question Jake Stern Apr 2020 #27
Dumb. Leave people's property alone. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #4
my wife wants to move to 55+ community OriginalGeek Apr 2020 #19
Love it!!!!! jimfields33 Apr 2020 #24
so far the ones we've been looking at OriginalGeek Apr 2020 #28
In a time of dictatorship, smashing symbols of lawless leaders is justified. Gaetz can go suck it. ancianita Apr 2020 #5
I would donate to a GoFundMe to pay their fines/legal expenses.... lastlib Apr 2020 #21
Like tearing down a Nazi flag mountain grammy Apr 2020 #26
Stop cheapening the term Nazis MosheFeingold Apr 2020 #32
I believe the depth of evil and depravity still exists.. mountain grammy Apr 2020 #35
F the flag displayers DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #29
Should have taken it down ... relayerbob Apr 2020 #6
+ 1. nt iluvtennis Apr 2020 #17
This is the guy, Matt Gaetz that complains about a childish prank. The same guy that stormed a SCIF usaf-vet Apr 2020 #7
Childishness. SamBob Apr 2020 #8
Who is that tiny, little Scarsdale Apr 2020 #12
Matt Gaetz is directly behind the speaker ... aggiesal Apr 2020 #25
I've not yielded to temptation to yank a huge Trump 2020 flag off a neighbor's house, but... Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #9
One of the houses in our neighborhood DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #30
I went online to see if there was any such thing as a Biden 2020 flag of similar dimensions. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #31
HA ha larwdem Apr 2020 #34
What, exactly, is being accomplished MosheFeingold Apr 2020 #10
Gotta agree SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 2020 #13
+1000! Excellent post, thank you! (nt) scarletwoman Apr 2020 #18
You are correct. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #15
Stealing a Trump flag does more harm than good. Sloumeau Apr 2020 #11
They probably just ran out of toilet paper & needed something to wipe with. CaptainTruth Apr 2020 #14
A stupid move but some people really get worked up over stuff like this. Steelrolled Apr 2020 #16
I know what that feels like.. stillcool Apr 2020 #20
Fuck you, Gaetz. Look who's talking, you dick? rickyhall Apr 2020 #22
People who pull this crap never seem to think of Jake Stern Apr 2020 #23
I can sympathize with the frustration. Tiger8 Apr 2020 #33

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
27. It calls their judgement into question
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:29 PM
Apr 2020

If a physician can be so deeply triggered by a piece of printed polyester with Trump’s name on it that they’ll break multiple laws, in front of their children, to destroy it them maybe they don’t have the maturity to practice medicine.

jimfields33

(15,670 posts)
4. Dumb. Leave people's property alone.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:53 PM
Apr 2020

I hate that my neighbor three doors down has trump stickers all over his car and golf cart. But it’s his property and not my business. Good news is he can’t put a trump flag on the flag pole at his home per HOA rules. He tried and they made him take it down.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
19. my wife wants to move to 55+ community
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:53 PM
Apr 2020

and one of the reasons is so she can drive a golf cart to the grocery store (plenty of other reasons but she keeps looking at houses that have an extra garage for a golf cart lol).

I am not against the idea and if we are able to do it AND get a golf cart, mine is gonna really make some tRumpies sad.

jimfields33

(15,670 posts)
24. Love it!!!!!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:17 PM
Apr 2020

Lots of positives to living in 55 plus. A few negatives....everyone knows everyone’s business and they are strict with rules especially yards. No fences. The golf garages are cool. Please make sure you get a stucco home due to Hurricanes. The neighbors will bend over backwards to help you in anything. One neighbor made mask for every resident in our village about 140 people. They bring TONS of food if you are under the weather and if your sick they will do everything to make you comfortable. They will drive you to airport, doctors, store, etc. now, they will pick up stuff for you but would rather not have company...understandably. It’s overall awesome!!!! One thing I do is go around and move all the junk off the lanai (back porch) before a hurricane.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
28. so far the ones we've been looking at
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:21 PM
Apr 2020

all include lawn maintenance in the HOA. One or two of them even repaint your house every 6 or 7 years. Personally I am sick to death of stucco but there's no escaping it in FL so I guess I'm stucko with it.

We lived in a 60 year old cinder block house with a flat roof down by the Orlando airport for over 30 years and never once worried about hurricanes but we moved to the north side of town a couple years ago and she doesn't like the neighborhood lol (I inherited my grandpa's house which was bigger and newer but not by a lot). She thinks the organization/activities at a 55+ will help her. She no longer needs to worry about where we live as she doesn't work and I don;t mind driving an hour into town so we have a lot of room to look around.

I do like the thought of not mowing the lawn but then, I don't do it now - either our granddaughter's boyfriend does it or we pay a guy but I'm cheap so we don't get all the extra services lol.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
5. In a time of dictatorship, smashing symbols of lawless leaders is justified. Gaetz can go suck it.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:53 PM
Apr 2020

I hope there's a defense fund or pro bono legal help for the gynecologists. Their neighbor can go suck it, too.

lastlib

(23,140 posts)
21. I would donate to a GoFundMe to pay their fines/legal expenses....
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:04 PM
Apr 2020

Yeah, it was a wrongful act, stupid and childish--but I appreciate the thought behind it.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
32. Stop cheapening the term Nazis
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:00 PM
Apr 2020

I knew Nazis. Real ones. I fought them (kind of — I was a MP and guarded them). I talked with them extensively as a native German speaker. The depth of evil and depravity cannot be understated.

And Trump is an ass and wrong, but he’s so far from a Nazi that to call him a Nazi cheapens the horror.

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
29. F the flag displayers
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:46 PM
Apr 2020

We live in a 60-70% Republicon neighborhood, and our Dem candidate signs always go missing......

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
7. This is the guy, Matt Gaetz that complains about a childish prank. The same guy that stormed a SCIF
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:54 PM
Apr 2020

The loudmouth leader of childish stunts.
That makes a mockery of national security and a pandemic that has killed 11,000 Americans to date

Matt Gaetz et al. were caught on video storming the SCIF to disrupt the impeachment inquiry, because
Republicans.




SamBob

(61 posts)
8. Childishness.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

This guy is an idiot. I do find it funny they took Trump's campaign flag down though. Wish I could take down the big sign one has on their house that says "Trump No More BullSh*t. Kind of a stupid sign to have our for kids to see (our town is small lol)

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
12. Who is that tiny, little
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:13 PM
Apr 2020

guy in the blue shirtsleeves? He is as short as Lindsey Graham. Could that be Gym Jordan? The gop has the monopoly on idiot representatives.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
25. Matt Gaetz is directly behind the speaker ...
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:26 PM
Apr 2020

in the top image.

He's the IDIOT with the gas mask on, in the bottom picture, just
so you didn't get confused with the woman standing next to him.
She is, btw, wondering how big an IDIOT is the guy with the gas mask.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
9. I've not yielded to temptation to yank a huge Trump 2020 flag off a neighbor's house, but...
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:01 PM
Apr 2020

Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:55 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm more inclined to reserve the label of despicable parenting to those who teach their kids that misogyny, racism, compulsive lying, and all around narcissism are desirable traits by supporting that tragedy in the White House.

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
30. One of the houses in our neighborhood
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:49 PM
Apr 2020

has a Trumphumper flag...........They guy next to him retaliated by putting up a U.S Flag, a Vietnam Veteran flag, and A MIA/POW flag........

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
31. I went online to see if there was any such thing as a Biden 2020 flag of similar dimensions.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:55 PM
Apr 2020

No luck yet.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
10. What, exactly, is being accomplished
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:02 PM
Apr 2020

By theft and vandalism? Any minds changed? Hearts softened?

And in front of children who knew it was wrong and trying to stop them.

These doctors are idiots. They'll probably face a medical review board now, as any crime by a professional is taken overly seriously.

Talk about a life-changing stupid moment.

13. Gotta agree
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:16 PM
Apr 2020

It is not about taking the high road; it is about balancing risk and reward, acting with a purpose, and moving your goals forward.

If this were a significant act of civil disobedience that highlighted the president's ignorance and hypocrisy and it made Trump supporters consider their support, or it acted to empower Democrats to get out the vote in a vital swing district, that might be worth it.

Instead, it empowers the president's supporters by painting “libruls” as law-breaking, family-hating, elitist hooligans. And bad neighbors. Just the sort of people you want to vote against.

And if Biden does not decry and disavow their actions early and often, it will be taken he supports them fully and it is only the illegal lockdown that stopped him from desecrating the poor neighbor’s private property along with the other criminals.

Badly done, people. Badly done.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,284 posts)
15. You are correct.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:30 PM
Apr 2020

Since they're both highly educated, they should have figured out, in advance, how much this foolishness was going to cost them and given that amount to the campaign of someone who would put the money to use to defeat a Republican in the upcoming election.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
11. Stealing a Trump flag does more harm than good.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:08 PM
Apr 2020

However, the idea of slimeball Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz trying to speak on morality is beyond funny.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
16. A stupid move but some people really get worked up over stuff like this.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:32 PM
Apr 2020

I must not have that gene - I couldn't care less what signs my neighbors have.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
20. I know what that feels like..
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:54 PM
Apr 2020

I pass a big Trump sign leaning up against a garage all the time. The thoughts that go through my mind as I drive by are criminal in..many, many, ways

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
23. People who pull this crap never seem to think of
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:16 PM
Apr 2020

the collateral damage.

Even if they somehow keep their licenses their practice is effectively over. They’ve made themselves toxic and this WILL follow them.

Worse is they have opened their kids up to bullying.

All over a cheap piece of printed cloth.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
33. I can sympathize with the frustration.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:34 PM
Apr 2020

I’ve seen these homes & cars too. Certainly not 1%, but typical middle class homes and you know FOX NEWS, Limbaugh, The 700Club, NRA etc. are pumping the propaganda into them 24/7.

This has to stop. We can’t have 2 America’s. Democracy will not survive. We must bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

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