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riversedge

(70,087 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:57 PM Apr 2020

'I smell a rat with orange hair': Congresswoman accuses Trump administration of deliberately starvin

Source: raw story



‘I smell a rat with orange hair’: Congresswoman accuses Trump administration of deliberately starving blue states during crisis

Published 2 mins ago on April 16, 2020



President Donald Trump’s administration was blasted for their distribution of funds for the Paycheck Protection Program.

“During the first 10 days of the federal government’s small-business rescue program, the spigot was wide open in Nebraska. Firms there got enough money to cover about three-fourths of the state’s eligible payrolls. It was a different picture in New York and California, where companies received less than a quarter of their share,” Bloomberg reported Thursday.
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Nebraska has two Republican senators and a Republican governor. New York and California have Democratic Party governors and senators.


“Those findings, based on Evercore ISI estimates of eligible payrolls in each state, show the uneven distribution of the first $248 billion of Small Business Administration coronavirus-relief loans, through April 13,” Bloomberg reported.
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Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) shared the Bloomberg report on Twitter, adding her thoughts on the subject................................................

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/i-smell-a-rat-with-orange-hair-congresswoman-accuses-trump-administration-of-deliberately-starving-blue-states-during-crisis/



oh, my. Jackie just called Trump a RAT!!




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'I smell a rat with orange hair': Congresswoman accuses Trump administration of deliberately starvin (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2020 OP
Donny First always puts his re-election tactics first. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #1
Makes me think his devious engine is running on all cylinders Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2020 #17
I thought he put his "revenge" tactics first. He wants to "get even" at all costs. SharonAnn Apr 2020 #30
"Getting even" in a zero-sum game is the same as losing. soldierant Apr 2020 #33
And Jackie survived Jim Jones' goons musette_sf Apr 2020 #2
Lucky you to have her as your Rep. riversedge Apr 2020 #21
SO much better than when I lived musette_sf Apr 2020 #25
She is great. xxqqqzme Apr 2020 #28
And this too will ease off the radar after a few news cycles. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #3
MAGATs would not believe it if it were to be shouted from the rooftops six times a day, every day, soldierant Apr 2020 #7
I am not sure we can reach them. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #10
Agree! We are up against an ultimate demon. Win Senate! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2020 #18
I'm with you Cayugafalls. flying_wahini Apr 2020 #22
Apparently he does not realize his supporters live in all 50 states lettucebe Apr 2020 #4
this is genuinely horrifying renate Apr 2020 #5
A Little Caution Is In Order ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #6
And he doesn't need to favor red states treestar Apr 2020 #27
She's making a lot of assumptions. Igel Apr 2020 #8
Can you sum up? Read twice and not sure what the bottom Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2020 #20
Aww, jeez, why ya gotta be so disrespectful to rats? Nacht Owl Apr 2020 #9
And Does Nebraska Pay Enough Taxes To Keep The Country Going? Me. Apr 2020 #11
May just be incompetence... paleotn Apr 2020 #12
I was under the impression that this money was being distributed first come first serve n/t Massacure Apr 2020 #13
Lol Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2020 #19
Expected. slumcamper Apr 2020 #14
Ummm even I knew that. It's obvious and despicable. nt live love laugh Apr 2020 #15
The Blue States Carry the Red States' Raggedy Asses! OMGWTF Apr 2020 #16
I'd like to know what percentage of the Gross National Product is represented by CA and NY. patphil Apr 2020 #23
Homicidal maniac. He is cackling with glee as he murders tens of thousands. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #24
It is "god-like" to determine who lives and who dies. It's the ultimate power trip. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2020 #26
So why did Minnesota get 60% progressoid Apr 2020 #29
Not sure what to make of this. RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #31
A big, fat orange rat... Kid Berwyn Apr 2020 #32

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
33. "Getting even" in a zero-sum game is the same as losing.
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:17 PM
Apr 2020

He wants to do more than get even. He wants to get ahead. Or, preferably, annihilate.

musette_sf

(10,199 posts)
2. And Jackie survived Jim Jones' goons
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:04 PM
Apr 2020

so you know she's not afraid of the orange-haired rat.

Love my rep!

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
3. And this too will ease off the radar after a few news cycles.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:06 PM
Apr 2020

This rat knows his stuff. Flood the news with so much shit you begin to ignore half of it.

Of course we won't forget, but the vast majority of people are just so bombarded with the constant flow of sewage that they are just trying to keep their heads above the line and avoid suffocating on the putrid stench of his criminality.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
7. MAGATs would not believe it if it were to be shouted from the rooftops six times a day, every day,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:00 PM
Apr 2020

on every TV channel and every radio station (I omit newspapers since MAGATs are illiterate.)

Sane people at this point don't need details to remember how crokked he is. Every bit of evidence is taken in, even when the details are not remembered.

Yes, I realize there are people who don't fit into either group. I don't understand them, but I realize they exist. How do we reach them?

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
10. I am not sure we can reach them.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:14 PM
Apr 2020

Some people just are racists assholes. They have been waiting for a leader. Now they have one and he is not backing down. They (corporate elite) are using the useful idiots as their fodder to fight their culture war for them.

Just as it has been in the past with all tyrannies. Capture the heart of a number of the populace and you can raise an army that can defeat the majority.

I have given up trying to reach people here in Texas. Their media machine is louder than ours and pours out a constant message that we are the enemy. They eat it up. The democrats have been vilified and compared to animals, so that they no longer even view us as humans.

The media techniques I see being used are tantamount to brainwashing. It is easy to brainwash someone who is already a racist to hate even more.

We have to win the election, 4 more years and the country will be unrecognizable.

flying_wahini

(6,578 posts)
22. I'm with you Cayugafalls.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 09:33 AM
Apr 2020

I live in a Texas and can’t even believe that they question Nothing tRump ever says.

Ever.

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. this is genuinely horrifying
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:19 PM
Apr 2020
He's a f-ing dictator.

Scattering largess according to how assiduously people kiss his nasty ass.

This is beyond-words disgusting. Almost as bad as sending ventilators to Russia.

I can't believe this is our country. I just can't. I can't believe this is happening.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
6. A Little Caution Is In Order
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:47 PM
Apr 2020

I understand her anger, but blue, Pritzker run Illinois got a higher % than Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee & the Carolinas. So did Colorado.
I think we need to see a breakdown by industry to see if that mix impacts the disparity.
I see that some red states got very high percentages, but their low population probably makes the absolute dollar value low, as well.
She's doing her job and worrying about Californians, and good for her.
But, I'm not willing to jump to conclusions, even though I put nothing past the DOLTUS Gang.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. And he doesn't need to favor red states
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:21 AM
Apr 2020

they will vote for him regardless; so it would be more suspicious if it were swing states he won last time by thin margins.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
8. She's making a lot of assumptions.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:05 PM
Apr 2020

She needs to put things not in terms of loans issued versus percentage issued, but using the same standard, then flip back and say "percentage of eligible payrolls."

"Eligible payroll" is a problem to begin with, unless you know what that means. Nebraska's businesses versus California's businesses might be different in kind--one may have more of one kind that's eligible under this program, another might have more eligible under some other program. So the different might be one gets $2 million versus $25 billion, but the $2 million covers a larger percentage of eligible payrolls. Can't know given what she said. Because of the way she said it.

It's also first-come/first-serve, so she should also point out, instead of have people assume, that lending institutions submitted the same gush of applications to the SBA at the same time, and that the applications were of the same level of complexity. Some banks took longer to start accepting applications, for instance--some of them were large banks--and some companies took longer in submitting them (because of complexity, perhaps).

I don't want "give me enough information let me think what I already thought," I want "give me enough to actually prove the case." Argument, not outrage-inducing sound-bite. And I like to think about the claims I'm asked to believe--this isn't a church.

The Bloomberg link helps a lot, as closer to the primary sources often do: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-sba-paycheck-protection-program/ . NE had 18.6k loans approved for a total of 2.7 billion. Loans were small. CA had 55k loans approved, for a total of $21 billion. Loans were bigger overall--but pay is also increased, so I wonder how that boils down to the number of workers helped (because things cost more in CA and NY). But the Bloomberg link is also the source of a bit of misinformation: That there is a "share" in a first-come/first-serve program. Closer to raw data is at https://content.sba.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/PPP%20Report%20SBA%204.14.20%20%20-%20%20Read-Only.pdf .

Otherwise, it said,

Ernie Tedeschi, the Evercore analyst who calculated the eligible payroll figures, offered a few theories about why the imbalance arose in an April 15 note. One was that regions hit harder by the virus, or that had the earliest lockdowns, may have had more trouble getting lending started. Another was that more businesses in hard-hit states may not have applied because the program isn’t enough to make a difference for them. Tedeschi also floated the possibility that businesses in some states had better pre-existing relationships with community banks that were able to get applications submitted quickly.

Whatever the reason, it’s inevitable that the results will be politicized, since coastal states tend to favor Democrats, and Republicans dominate the country’s center. When Jackie Speier, a Democratic congresswoman from California, asked on April 15 why Texas got more money than California, her tweet was retweeted more than 3,000 times. “California has been shortchanged,” California Governor Gavin Newsom, also a Democrat, said at a press briefing. “We’re trying to understand exactly why.”
 

Nacht Owl

(66 posts)
9. Aww, jeez, why ya gotta be so disrespectful to rats?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:13 PM
Apr 2020

At least rats are a natural part of the ecosystem. TRUMP is the result of a genetic experiment gone horribly awry!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. And Does Nebraska Pay Enough Taxes To Keep The Country Going?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:26 PM
Apr 2020

Or are they shooting themselves in the foot again

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
12. May just be incompetence...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:42 PM
Apr 2020

Why Nebraska? That state wouldn't be in play if Donnie ate kittens on live TV. Vermont seems to have done better than most, and we're not going red if Donnie parted he Red Sea. I'm just not seeing anything political. Stupid and uneven surely, but not necessarily political.

slumcamper

(1,604 posts)
14. Expected.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:04 PM
Apr 2020

It is said that "we get he government we deserve."

Perhaps.

We failed to mobilize in 2016, so this is a powerful wake-up call (or at least I hope it is).

Will our collective indignation and fury propel us in November?

Let's go!

OMGWTF

(3,942 posts)
16. The Blue States Carry the Red States' Raggedy Asses!
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:09 PM
Apr 2020

For example, Mississippi gets $4 in Federal money for every $1 they pay in.

patphil

(6,150 posts)
23. I'd like to know what percentage of the Gross National Product is represented by CA and NY.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 10:46 AM
Apr 2020

There can't be a national recovery without those two states.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
26. It is "god-like" to determine who lives and who dies. It's the ultimate power trip.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM
Apr 2020

And Trump relishes that role. He loves to turn his thumbs down, like an emperor watching gladiators. No, he doesn't care a whit about people, and he never did. And he's done a masterful job of manufacturing a rabid base of supporters. But he's got no substance, no depth, and all "brand." But you all know that already.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
31. Not sure what to make of this.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 02:38 PM
Apr 2020

Is it possible that many of the Red States got a higher percentage of a smaller number of requests?

That might also explain why a Democratic State like Minnesota received 63% of its request -- because, maybe, they made fewer requests?

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