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swag

(26,487 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:49 AM Apr 2020

US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November -- report

Source: Times of Israel

US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.

Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.

US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.

Read more: https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

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US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November -- report (Original Post) swag Apr 2020 OP
November. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #1
There Is No Way Our Intelligence Community Didn't See This Happening And Inform Trump DanieRains Apr 2020 #22
Exactly, Danie. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #25
That's why he hates them. Always bringing bad news, and always so smug about being right. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #27
There are diplomatic cables from two years ago warning about this neohippie Apr 2020 #28
It is almost as if he was trying to shape "a perfect storm" not_the_one Apr 2020 #29
I hope I'm not wrong neohippie Apr 2020 #30
Now the GOP is going to have to cover up another lie, and give up on another focus: WHO C Moon Apr 2020 #2
Clusterfuck trump wasn't interested in November 2019 and Cha Apr 2020 #3
The US alerted Israel, NATO about a PNEUMONIA cluster in Wuhan in November denem Apr 2020 #4
Had the U.S. not dissolved the "pandemic response team" of the NSC in 2018 majdrfrtim Apr 2020 #6
The immediate concern would have been an influenza varient. denem Apr 2020 #9
+1 SheltieLover Apr 2020 #10
+1 progressoid Apr 2020 #7
Any pneumonia cluster is suspicious, and could mean a viral outbreak. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #8
Obviously this is the World Health Organization's fault Botany Apr 2020 #5
WRONG!! AZ8theist Apr 2020 #11
THere is a lot of public health emergencies of international concern... TomVilmer Apr 2020 #12
But, but it was WHO that failed to warn about the virus. Donnie said so. sinkingfeeling Apr 2020 #13
Trump knew about the outbreak in November. GreydeeThos Apr 2020 #14
That's all I see... Maxheader Apr 2020 #15
No one could have seen this coming IronLionZion Apr 2020 #16
"Alerted NATO" James48 Apr 2020 #17
Show me the evidence that others did anything. Igel Apr 2020 #20
FOX News to the rescue! Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #18
This the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the U.S." moment! RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #19
November! Trump is only fit to lead up off a cliff. McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #21
"Did not deem it of interest", Bayard Apr 2020 #23
This is the sequel to the infamous "Presidential Daily Briefing" Yavin4 Apr 2020 #24
IMHO, Trump's Liberate tweets served as deflection from this story. sarcasmo Apr 2020 #26

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
1. November.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:07 AM
Apr 2020
US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.


November? November?!!!!

Guess don was to busy with golf.
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
22. There Is No Way Our Intelligence Community Didn't See This Happening And Inform Trump
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

I have been saying this all along.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
28. There are diplomatic cables from two years ago warning about this
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:54 PM
Apr 2020

Two years ago... that's when our diplomats in China reported about safety and security issues in the Wuhan bio-labs and that's the same time when this mis-adminisration cut the CDC staff in China by 2/3rds that could have addressed those concerns.

That turns out to also be the same time that the National Security council cut the Global Bio-defense Response Team

There was plenty of warning

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
29. It is almost as if he was trying to shape "a perfect storm"
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:14 PM
Apr 2020

If you know something BAD is coming, and you do nothing, the real question is WHY?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
30. I hope I'm not wrong
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:24 PM
Apr 2020

I really think this is incompetence both by the Chinese bio-labs and by this administration believing that government is bloated and does no good.

But that is a pretty optimistic point of view, because it's quite the coincidence that China was struggling to contain the Hong Kong protests at the time this all went down.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
2. Now the GOP is going to have to cover up another lie, and give up on another focus: WHO
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:13 AM
Apr 2020

It's never ending. I believe it comes from Putin. Maybe there's a language barrier when they talk at 3 AM while Trump's on the toilet.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
3. Clusterfuck trump wasn't interested in November 2019 and
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:30 AM
Apr 2020

here we are in April 2020.

They can LIE all they want but Every LIE is Exposed.. they're Not going to get away with it.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
4. The US alerted Israel, NATO about a PNEUMONIA cluster in Wuhan in November
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:41 AM
Apr 2020

December 27, was the first date the Chinese CDC had any hard evidence they were dealing with a novel virus. The coronavirus itself was not sequenced until January 2.

majdrfrtim

(317 posts)
6. Had the U.S. not dissolved the "pandemic response team" of the NSC in 2018
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 02:28 AM
Apr 2020

(or whatever its technical name was), *they* would have immediately taken notice of this "pnemonia cluster" IN NOVEMBER -- especially given China's dissembling public response and authoritarian internal response to it. So it doesn't matter that it was PNEUMONIA in November, Trump's minions had had the capability to respond appropriately and had already gone out of their way NOT to be prepared to respond to ANY novel infectious agent.

They've continued that inability to respond by going out of their way to guarantee that we cannot (possibly ever, now) know where the virus even *is* in our country (no robust, coordinated testing program), or where it's going next (no contract tracing and isolation of asymptomatic carriers).

Had the "pandemic response team" been allowed to do its job, they'd almost certainly have been ready with an all-of-government proactive response on 27DEC19 to a "pneumonia cluster" that turned out to be a novel coronavirus!

That was their job, after all.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
8. Any pneumonia cluster is suspicious, and could mean a viral outbreak.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 02:43 AM
Apr 2020

That is why it was noticed and flagged by our intelligence services.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
5. Obviously this is the World Health Organization's fault
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 02:23 AM
Apr 2020

Trump told NATO & Israel in Nov. 2019 but did nothing here until mid March 20202?

Lock him up.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
12. THere is a lot of public health emergencies of international concern...
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:42 AM
Apr 2020

This is the full WHO outbreak list for the past months, though not all of these are of international concern...

16 April 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
10 April 2020: Yellow fever – Republic of South Sudan
9 April 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
8 April 2020: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
2 April 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
26 March 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
19 March 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
12 March 2020: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – Qatar
12 March 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
10 March 2020: Dengue fever – French Territories of the Americas – French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint-Martin, and Saint-Barthélemy
5 March 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
4 March 2020: Measles - Central African Republic
27 February 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
24 February 2020: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
22 February 2020: Dengue fever – Chile
21 February 2020: Yellow fever – Uganda
20 February 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
20 February 2020: Lassa Fever – Nigeria
13 February 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
6 February 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
31 January 2020: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – United Arab Emirates
30 January 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
23 January 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
21 January 2020: Novel Coronavirus – Republic of Korea (ex-China)
17 January 2020: Novel Coronavirus – Japan (ex-China)
16 January 2020: Novel Coronavirus – Japan (ex-China)
16 January 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
14 January 2020: Novel Coronavirus – Thailand (ex-China)
12 January 2020: Novel Coronavirus – China
10 January 2020: Measles – occupied Palestinian territory
9 January 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
8 January 2020: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The United Arab Emirates
5 January 2020: Pneumonia of unknown cause – China
2 January 2020: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
26 December 2019: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – Qatar
19 December 2019: Yellow fever – Mali
19 December 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
18 December 2019: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
17 December 2019: Yellow fever – Nigeria
15 December 2019: Measles – Pacific Island Countries and Areas
13 December 2019: Dengue fever – Afghanistan
12 December 2019Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
5 December 2019: Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
5 December 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
29 November 2019Dengue fever –Spain
29 November 2019: Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – African Region
28 November 2019: Lassa Fever – The Netherlands (ex –Sierra Leone)
28 November 2019: Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – Pakistan
28 November 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
27 November 2019: Measles – Global situation
22 November 2019: Dengue fever – Republic of the Sudan
21 November 2019: Yellow fever – Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
21 November 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
19 November 2019: Dengue fever – Pakistan
14 November 2019Rift Valley Fever – Republic of the Sudan
14 November 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
7 November 2019: Ebola virus disease – Democratic Republic of the Congo
1 November 2019: Zika virus disease – France
...
...


GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
14. Trump knew about the outbreak in November.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 07:06 AM
Apr 2020

Trump told the Israelis (and probably other governments as well). Why did he choose to keep it secret and why did the Chinese also keep it secret? Is Trump working some kind of deal with the Chinese?

Maxheader

(4,372 posts)
15. That's all I see...
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 07:10 AM
Apr 2020

In the news. It seems. This country or that,..this group or that...Knew way back

about corona. But their choices of who they informed..?

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
16. No one could have seen this coming
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 07:49 AM
Apr 2020

says the people who sold their stocks high while telling everyone to not worry it's all under control.

James48

(4,435 posts)
17. "Alerted NATO"
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 08:22 AM
Apr 2020

which means we alerted 30 nations.

Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom and the United States. The other member countries are: Greece and Turkey (1952), Germany (1955), Spain (1982), the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland (1999), Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia (2004), Albania and Croatia (2009), Montenegro (2017) and North Macedonia (2020).

too bad we didn't listen to ourselves.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
20. Show me the evidence that others did anything.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 09:42 AM
Apr 2020

Because right now, it looks like 32 nations didn't actually listen.

I suspect that this report won't be confirmed, but also won't need to be.

If it's linked to the ABC story, then in late November the report was written, in late November it was approved for distribution, in late November it was transmitted to NATO, and even later in November it was discussed. And in once version, it underwent a few weeks of vetting before being briefed widely in ... late November It was a bumper crop of late November last year.

When the first case to be identified according to what we know from China was dated December. That said, apparently satellite images showed enough cases and disruption to be visible from space. Even though doctors didn't know about it.

It's expected that it was circulating in November, but even in December it wasn't a huge outbreak.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
19. This the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the U.S." moment!
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 08:50 AM
Apr 2020

Bush, as I recall, told the CIA agent who handed it to him "OK, you've covered your ass," and proceeded to do nothing. Same with Trump, apparently, regarding this pandemic.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
24. This is the sequel to the infamous "Presidential Daily Briefing"
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:30 AM
Apr 2020

When a political party does not believe in government or governing and that's treated as normal, the probability of negative catclysmic events occuring rises.

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