Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying from strokes
Source: Washington Post
Thomas Oxley wasnt even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There werent enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.
The patients chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.
Oxley gasped when he got to the patients age and covid-19 status: 44, positive. The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles like a can of spaghetti, he said that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real-time around it.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Maxheader
(4,373 posts)Read an article about this blood clotting issue..
If I remember, it wasn't being found in all cases of corona...But had the same
extreme clotting characteristics...Stumpy didn't go to the meetings of many
nations..on sharing information on corona..We better hope the scientists
and their bosses, here, aren't swayed by the traitors sick news briefs..
Faux pas
(14,668 posts)like it's gonna get you any way it can
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Faux pas
(14,668 posts)the sorriest for the victims his cult followers will infect.
You be safe yourself Bernardo de La Paz
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)and it's in a new host. It's not stable and it could potentially go through a lot of changes before it settles into a workable relationship with us.
Not in a parasite's best interest to kill it's host but the dance steps that the host and parasite go through to reach an accommodation can be less than pleasant.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)It almost seems like its AI figuring out how to decimate the human race.
BComplex
(8,046 posts)I just wish we could hurry up and find a way to put this virus out of our misery.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)to the next host-vector, morphs as it goes along...
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Gaia resisting the disease that is populous highly-interconnected urbanised and industrialised human societies.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Its not nice to fool Mother Nature. Were fooling ourselves.
BComplex
(8,046 posts)"All are punished" (Romeo & Juliet)
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Imagine if we had the opportunity to retool society to go renewable... and here it is...
BComplex
(8,046 posts)the world (the environment). I always feel like we're swimming upstream.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Faux pas
(14,668 posts)thank you Rural_Progressive, for opening my eyes a little bigger. I never thought of a virus in the parasitic sense. Old dogs can learn new things!
elleng
(130,865 posts)Wife of a family member, rather distant from me, just died of a stroke, day after celebrating her birthday, within this demographic group I think.
dweller
(23,628 posts)an alien invasion
😱
✌🏼
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Delphinus
(11,830 posts)afraid that governors aren't going to look at all these correlations of what is happening when it comes time to open back up. I worry about my husband being called back in to work - me, I think my boss will allow me to work from home as much as I need (only go in once a week), but ...
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Stay safe.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)And it's continuing to mutate
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)ready for this earlier if this fucking idiot did not dissolve the Department for Pandemics, he did not accept test kits from the WHO.
Weird you hear more about opening the economy than about test kits. tRump is committing a massacre on the American people, 51,523 people have died how many more?? This POS needs to contract it.
progree
(10,901 posts)From SheltieLover's post in GD
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213339643
Published April 24, 2020 By Kaiser Health News
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/seniors-with-covid-19-show-unusual-symptoms-doctors-say/
Older adults with COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, have several atypical symptoms, complicating efforts to ensure they get timely and appropriate treatment, according to physicians.
COVID-19 is typically signaled by three symptoms: a fever, an insistent cough and shortness of breath. But older adults the age group most at risk of severe complications or death from this condition ― may have none of these characteristics.
Instead, seniors may seem off not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse.
Sometimes too "out of it" mentally to seek medical care. And nobody checking on them regularly. So they die alone at home.
And it looks like this isn't just a seniors issue.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)thanks for posting..
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)some more aggressive than others I read that post here on DU a few days ago
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)likely mutations, things making a vaccine more difficult or impossible and this beast lasting longer than we planned--
Scary as hell stuff in RL, not only movies...
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Please know it is not yet peer reviewed.
This is horrifying.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I see articles at The Hill, NY Post, Jerusalem Times, south China News & this tech site, ranging in age from 1-5 days ago.
One site says 33 mutations.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Scary stuff.
ancianita
(36,030 posts)'mutations' happen. Building from whatever different cells contain that works to replicate itself.
Even within one human, the killing of mutations depends on the immunity system's ability to sort out the one common enzyme that exists across mutations, since cv moves around to various organs in the body. It doesn't stay in the lungs.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)TY for explaining. Then 30 is a very low guestimate?
Sorry, non medical person here. 😊
ancianita
(36,030 posts)It could be just the estimate for the country it comes from. Given our size and structurally weak scale of pandemic work, we could see more, who knows. We out here are usually the last to know any good news.
The issue isn't mutations, except on our end. Which is scary because no one in the pandemic field here writes much about that.
The issue, in my layman's opinion, of course, is the ability through autopsies (I haven't read anywhere that autopsies are being done, have you? ) to do genetic study of various dead's affected organs and perhaps detect mutations. So that we can develop a good broad spectrum vaccine, and more than a few antibody medicines for treating the sick.
Welcome to DU, SheltieLover!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)No, I have not read of autopsies being done. I think you are right about needing all that data.
ancianita
(36,030 posts)since I last read you. Sorry!
I need a drink to clear my head.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,587 posts)Or any kind of truth. Lets wait until this study is replicated and verified.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)They have a cool map animation:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?d=tree,map&dmax=2020-01-05&dmin=2019-12-26
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I suffer from severe PTSD and I almost always relapse bad this time of year and get hospitalized for a month or two as a result. My relapses sound a lot like the atypical symptoms seniors sometimes present, plus the addition of other PTSD specific symptoms.
I sleep all day, dont eat, get confused, cant concentrate, I get dizzy and feel detached in addition to the typical PTSD symptoms one would expect. if I hadnt been dealing with exactly those symptoms for the last several years, Id be worried that I have Covid-19 and am suffering from some of the associated cognitive issues.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)an alternative to hospitalization ahead of relapse? In any case, I think all most of us can do is plan to act promptly on any negative changes.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Albeit with limited success.
I have a lot anniversary dates to various traumatic incidents that I was a part of in Iraq in 2004 between April and the end of June. Ive been trying to reprogram my brain to think differently about this time of year. Instead of focusing on dread and the past, Ive been making plans for things like vacations with a lady-friend of mine and major hiking and camping trips with my brother. Unfortunately, Covid-19 has interrupted those plans.
I chug along, stay engaged with my two daughters and two hobbies of mine and generally do the best I can do.
Hospitalization is obviously something I wish to avoid, but its not the end of the world to end up in a psych ward. The VA staff are always wonderful to me.
Thanks
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but of course your ward would be isolated.
We have a little travel trailer and were seriously considering doing an "isolation" road trip when states started shutting down. The deeper dive into Washington DC we'd planned for this spring was a total no-go, of course. But maybe we'll still do a mini or two not more than a day's driving from home. People are doing it, plenty of campgrounds are open, national forests, state parks, rivers for fishing, hiking trails. Read that someone was told he had to self-quarantine "in their RV for 14 days" upon arrival in OH; didn't look that up to check on it. Reading in a camp chair by a lake while my husband paddles around fishing sounds like it'd meet the requirement, but obviously the kind of thing to know ahead of time.
Since this is a disruption year with patterns breaking all over, who knows? Stay well.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Recall the Paltrow's character's autopsy.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)This is terrifying.
BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)"he saw new clots forming in real-time around it" scared the shit out of me. This disease is a mysterious, silent monster.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Ebola you bleed from every pore and orifice, Covid-19 your blood clots all over your body causing organ failure in unexpected places.
IronLionZion
(45,432 posts)this is scary stuff for those folks who can't stay home and are exposed to lots of people every day. Feeling fine at home and then suddenly having a stroke is very bad.
Also pretty exceptional how they can't seem to get enough protective equipment for workers, let alone ordinary people.
Chemisse
(30,809 posts)And many seem to be from strokes, it suggest that that may be the primary or only symptom for some of the younger victims.
This is really scary stuff!
PatSeg
(47,415 posts)thing I've read so far about this virus. It sounds like a horror film.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)this news is really scary....
PatSeg
(47,415 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)from the article:
Mocco, who has spent his career studying strokes and how to treat them, said he was completely shocked by the analysis. He noted the link between covid-19 and stroke is one of the clearest and most profound correlations Ive come across.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)If I survived and regained some semblance of my former self, I'd just end up stepping in front of a bus. My worst nightmare is to live the rest of my life intellectually stunted and a burden on my family.
crickets
(25,963 posts)Everyone, please stay home and stay safe.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)with some prophetic conclusions:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4267971/
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The dysregulation of these coagulation/anti‐coagulation cascades can result in worsening end‐stage lung disease conditions, resulting in death.
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The twenty‐first century has demonstrated that zoonotic events will continue to introduce coronaviruses and other viruses into the human population, and that these viruses have the potential to spread rapidly, cause significant disease in communities and disrupt the global economy. An emerging theme is the connectivity between virus infection, complement and coagulation cascade activation, pro‐inflammatory and profibrotic cytokine responses and disease severity. More studies are needed to unravel the complex interactions between these pathways that can interact to promote or dysregulate wound recovery after life‐threatening respiratory virus infection.
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