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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:43 PM Apr 2020

New York cancels presidential primary, angering Bernie Sanders supporters

Source: Democrat & Chronicle

ALBANY – New York has cancelled its Democratic presidential primary for 2020, angering Bernie Sanders supporters who were hoping to win more delegates to influence their party's platform.

The state's Democratic election commissioners voted Monday to remove Sanders and nine other presidential candidates from the New York ballot, making use of a new measure in state law allowing them to do so if a candidate publicly suspends his or her campaign.

The move left former Vice President Joe Biden — the lone remaining Democrat actively seeking the Democratic nomination — as the only name on New York's Democratic primary ballot, effectively canceling the primary.

The primary election had originally been scheduled for Tuesday before Gov. Andrew Cuomo delayed it to June 23 in response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has hit New York harder than any other state.
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Read more: https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/04/27/ny-cancels-presidential-primary-angering-bernie-sanders-supporters/3032725001/

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New York cancels presidential primary, angering Bernie Sanders supporters (Original Post) nitpicker Apr 2020 OP
Good. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #1
Chris collins' repug sure is thrilled jimfields33 Apr 2020 #48
Why is that? Historic NY Apr 2020 #83
It's a special election for his seat. He resigned in disgrace....hardly shocking. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #86
Bad move Dopers_Greed Apr 2020 #2
WTF? That's just bizarre. Squinch Apr 2020 #3
Doubt that long time Dem voters would not cast a vote this Nov. I do not know who these Dem Ninga Apr 2020 #5
Anyone who latches onto this as a conspiracy theory in moonscape Apr 2020 #7
And it just doesn't matter. djg21 Apr 2020 #21
Good point. That too. n/t moonscape Apr 2020 #68
You do realize that Bernie dropped out and endorsed Biden, right? still_one Apr 2020 #13
Only if people choose to be idiots. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #14
:) It'd be SANDERS own conspiracy if there was one. Hortensis Apr 2020 #131
How many candidates are still running? George II Apr 2020 #17
Oh BS. we can do it Apr 2020 #18
Seriously if you are a Dem with an IQ to surpass IQ45 why would you not vote to can 45? usaf-vet Apr 2020 #23
You know that Bernie dropped out right? Renew Deal Apr 2020 #26
Because he called off a pointless, moot election during a pandemic when crowds can kill? ehrnst Apr 2020 #30
There's always conspiracy theories. This is a nothingburger. Nobody can deny NY has been AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #45
Sanders already endorsed Biden. What conspiracy theories? EllieBC Apr 2020 #66
People who choose to believe conspiracy theories at this point relayerbob Apr 2020 #70
You make me feel there's a conspiracy for Sanders supporters to keep challenging Biden LakeArenal Apr 2020 #71
Sanders is not in the race. End of story. LizBeth Apr 2020 #72
EXACTLY. . . BigDemVoter Apr 2020 #112
What conspiracy. Bernie dropped out and endorsed Biden??? Maybe you want to sow dissension Pisces Apr 2020 #82
Thank you for your opinion, tovarich. Say hi to Putin for us! JohnQFunk Apr 2020 #87
Oh just stop it. Iggo Apr 2020 #99
I'm guessing that there are no other primaries that would have been on the ballot leftieNanner Apr 2020 #4
There is and they are still scheduled jimfields33 Apr 2020 #50
So what you're saying is that Igel Apr 2020 #58
Everything you mentioned is true jimfields33 Apr 2020 #75
The article says that in 20 counties there are no other races. nt pnwmom Apr 2020 #85
In 20 counties there are no other races and now those poll workers and others pnwmom Apr 2020 #84
This was a primary...local races were not on this ballot...it was the right decision. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #105
Thanks for the info leftieNanner Apr 2020 #108
And clearly, we must end this primary in order to help Sanders' supporters understand that he will Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #140
Yes, the counties that have down ballot candidates will vote. ehrnst Apr 2020 #129
Removing any part of the process is against the basic tenants of a Democratic system... EarthFirst Apr 2020 #6
They're still holding the other primaries. With only one presidential candidate remaining... George II Apr 2020 #19
If the primaries include other offices and iniciatives, that would be one reason still_one Apr 2020 #22
Exactly. Of the 62 counties in NYS there are 20 that were only having the presidential primary.... George II Apr 2020 #29
+++ still_one Apr 2020 #33
Earthfirst, if Sanders got to be on the ballot after he dropped out Hortensis Apr 2020 #132
Sadly people are making this about Sanders, ignoring the other eight non-complaining candidates.... George II Apr 2020 #134
:) Of course. More of certain types of people will vote for Hortensis Apr 2020 #137
Tenets. Tenants rent apartments. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #20
Entire Democratic POTUS primaries have been cancelled when there was no challenger to the incumbent. ehrnst Apr 2020 #37
Those complaining the most are also those who bashed Wisconsin for going ahead with their primary. George II Apr 2020 #43
States have deadline rules for ballot preparation. LeftInTX Apr 2020 #52
Tenets, not tenants. niyad Apr 2020 #59
The basic tenants, eh? Tarc Apr 2020 #91
You do realize it takes money to hold an election, right? Cuomo has been all over the tv... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #104
Waste of time and money neither of which we have enough of. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #106
AGAIN....Bernie drops out but is still running Bengus81 Apr 2020 #8
Netscape?! A blast from the past! KPN Apr 2020 #47
Yeah, I loved Netscape. Then Microsoft decided that they wanted to own the Internet. :) nt Sloumeau Apr 2020 #61
I remember Netscape got bought over by AOL for 4.2 billion Galraedia Apr 2020 #69
LOL...yeah one of DU's avatars Bengus81 Apr 2020 #94
Love it! Feels like a Netscape reunion. How long ago KPN Apr 2020 #115
I was using Netscape 25 years ago in 95' Bengus81 Apr 2020 #119
Not in New York apparently! hehe Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author snowybirdie Apr 2020 #9
The same people who were whining about the Wisconsin primary going on. George II Apr 2020 #16
Ironic? Roy Rolling Apr 2020 #10
It costs the state millions of dollars to hold these primaries. Zoonart Apr 2020 #11
...citing the risk of spreading coronavirus quaint Apr 2020 #12
IN COUNTIES THAT HAD NO OTHER CONTESTS Maeve Apr 2020 #35
We have a special for a state senate seat. whistler162 Apr 2020 #110
the primary is over, cancel all others, BS dropped out! AlexSFCA Apr 2020 #15
Bernie did more than dropping out, he endorsed Biden still_one Apr 2020 #36
Why? He conceded and endorsed Joe. RandySF Apr 2020 #24
As usual seta1950 Apr 2020 #25
The Party should award half the delegates to each candidate. rickford66 Apr 2020 #27
Bernie would have lost NY badly before he dropped out Renew Deal Apr 2020 #32
Why to only those two candidates? There were about 20 altogether, with that shouldn't... George II Apr 2020 #39
What party nomination are they running for? Historic NY Apr 2020 #78
I positively LOVE your sig line graphic. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍 n/t Karma13612 Apr 2020 #126
Why does Bernie need delegates? He's already conceded. comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #51
Bernie isn't a candidate anymore jmowreader Apr 2020 #76
I don't like it, but it's the right thing to do. Renew Deal Apr 2020 #28
Good, I live here and it ridiculous to go out when there are no others Historic NY Apr 2020 #31
There are 20 other candidates per comment #39 rickford66 Apr 2020 #74
There were 20. Nine eventually got on the ballot. All but one (Biden) withdrew and all eight.... George II Apr 2020 #81
Bernie didn't withdraw. rickford66 Apr 2020 #88
THEY were "voted off". People act like Sanders is being persecuted, but he's being treated.... George II Apr 2020 #90
Come on. You know Sanders withdrew and endorsed Biden. Hortensis Apr 2020 #133
You should be getting mail ballots. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #79
Question... Does this effect any other races rpannier Apr 2020 #118
Oh noes! Aristus Apr 2020 #34
EXACTLY seta1950 Apr 2020 #40
I imagine that the rumors are already abounding that ehrnst Apr 2020 #49
Bros are angry, news at 11. sarcasmo Apr 2020 #38
I understand the logic of this decision, especially since it will no doubt save the state money, but scarletwoman Apr 2020 #41
What about the supporters of Warren, Harris, Klobuchar and Booker? Is it "disregarding" their ehrnst Apr 2020 #95
I don't know who was still on the ballot in NY state, the article only mentioned Sanders. (nt) scarletwoman Apr 2020 #96
That doesn't answer my question. Why do you think that Sanders supporters ehrnst Apr 2020 #97
Honestly, I really don't care enough to keep up a conversation about this. scarletwoman Apr 2020 #98
And you think that we need to treat Bernie differently than any other candidate ehrnst Apr 2020 #100
New York has delivered a major blow to Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) continued push for Democratic po Gothmog Apr 2020 #42
What actually happened is that they removed EIGHT candidates from the ballot, all of whom... George II Apr 2020 #44
exactly. Thanks George still_one Apr 2020 #53
I wonder what NY's deadline for ballot removal is? LeftInTX Apr 2020 #57
A law passed on April 3 gave the NY B.O.E. the ability to remove candidates who had suspended their ehrnst Apr 2020 #101
Yeah, BS wasn't the only Primary Canidate NY removed Cha Apr 2020 #142
I'm sure TheFarseer Apr 2020 #46
NYS still has two US House Primaries... brooklynite Apr 2020 #54
There are a number of House primaries. There still are primaries in 42 of the 62 counties. But... George II Apr 2020 #64
Good MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #55
Good. nt Sloumeau Apr 2020 #56
Why the fuss, people? Bernie has dropped out of the race. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2020 #60
His supporters would like Bernie to be able to say "I got x delegates, so that gives me x say in the ehrnst Apr 2020 #103
Horrible decision n/t Devil Child Apr 2020 #62
Yes, TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #63
+1000. ehrnst Apr 2020 #77
Why? Holding the primary is analogous to playing the last three games of a World Series.... George II Apr 2020 #65
:) Loses the first four, then concedes and goes home. nt Hortensis Apr 2020 #135
withdrawn politicians are free to undermine the dem nominee if they wish. that has not msongs Apr 2020 #67
As it should be. Biden is the only one running. LizBeth Apr 2020 #73
Why not mail ballots? RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #80
No. Anyway, SANDERS was behind the 2016 change to the DNC rule Hortensis Apr 2020 #136
I'll happily vote by mail ballot for Biden. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #139
Us too. Lucky you. We had to vote by mail twice Hortensis Apr 2020 #141
I'm glad MI had it somewhat early, just after super Tuesday. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #89
Surprised the remaining primary states aren't taking this as an opportunity to trial mail-in ballots Tarc Apr 2020 #92
It cost money...states are near bankruptcy...the primary is over. They should all be cancelled. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #109
NY made the decision to allow the BOE to cancel primaries with one candidate April 3 ehrnst Apr 2020 #93
Good! Owl Apr 2020 #102
I'm not sure what this primary would have changed? BigDemVoter Apr 2020 #111
The presidential primaries should be held on the same date in every state. milestogo Apr 2020 #113
That would be much simpler wouldn't it. yellowdogintexas Apr 2020 #117
That would lead to under representation by the smaller less populated states. honest.abe Apr 2020 #122
??? milestogo Apr 2020 #123
??? honest.abe Apr 2020 #124
What do you mean ignored? Karma13612 Apr 2020 #127
As I said to someone else I am not defending the current system. honest.abe Apr 2020 #130
Why the fuck run an election when there is only one candidate. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #114
what about the downballot offices? Do they have a separate primary? yellowdogintexas Apr 2020 #116
Yes, those will be held because they are legitimate and required. honest.abe Apr 2020 #121
I dont get the "influence the party platform" argument. honest.abe Apr 2020 #120
+1000 ehrnst Apr 2020 #128
Bingo! Of course that's exactly what the hostiles want. Hortensis Apr 2020 #138
NY STATE'R HERE Karma13612 Apr 2020 #125
Note: *all* contested New York Democratic primaries are still taking place on June 23rd. Cha Apr 2020 #143
NY took this action to save money Gothmog Apr 2020 #144

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
83. Why is that?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:34 PM
Apr 2020

unless there was another Republican running against him..Republicans canceled theirs too. It will be on the General Election ballot in Nov.

Cuomo has also ordered the Board of Elections to mail an application for an absentee ballot to all eligible voters for the remaining state, local and congressional primaries June 23.







Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
2. Bad move
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 PM
Apr 2020

This is going to just cause even more conspiracy theories encouraging Dems not to vote in November

Ninga

(8,272 posts)
5. Doubt that long time Dem voters would not cast a vote this Nov. I do not know who these Dem
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

voters you speak of, but perhaps they not not real Dems.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
7. Anyone who latches onto this as a conspiracy theory in
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM
Apr 2020

the middle of a pandemic and what NY is going through ... was not going to vote in Nov anyway, or at least not for Biden.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
21. And it just doesn't matter.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:58 PM
Apr 2020

Whoever is the Democratic nominee — in other words VP Biden — will win the General in NYS, and hence NYS’s electors, without any effort and by a landslide, and irrespective of any Bernie supporters who may decide to not vote, or vote for a 3rd part candidate, or write in Sanders, or otherwise try to re-elect Trump.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
131. :) It'd be SANDERS own conspiracy if there was one.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:16 AM
Apr 2020

It shouldn't be called a conspiracy, but Sanders was behind the change to the DNC rule that's biting him now, in addition to NY's move. It's likely he thought it'd benefit him as he continued to the end in 2020, picking up reallocated delegates from others who dropped out and were no longer able to influence the allocation of their delegates to another candidate of similar ideology.

The DNC’s delegate allocation rules document — which Sanders allies played a role in drafting as part of the “Unity Reform Commission” following the acrimonious 2016 primary — lays it out like this: “If a presidential candidate entitled to an allocation under this rule is no longer a candidate at the time at-large delegates are selected, his/her allocation shall be proportionately divided among the other preferences entitled to an allocation.”
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. Because he called off a pointless, moot election during a pandemic when crowds can kill?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:07 PM
Apr 2020

Voters in about 20 counties that had no other contests on their ballot have no need to go to the polls, and endanger lives on June 23.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
45. There's always conspiracy theories. This is a nothingburger. Nobody can deny NY has been
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:27 PM
Apr 2020

hardest hit by this fucking virus. Bernie did the right thing, conceded and supports Biden. It's all good. We're all good here.

EllieBC

(2,990 posts)
66. Sanders already endorsed Biden. What conspiracy theories?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:31 PM
Apr 2020

If there's that much tinfoil, maybe stop a minute and think.

relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
70. People who choose to believe conspiracy theories at this point
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:45 PM
Apr 2020

deserve IQ45 as President.

The rest of us don't

LakeArenal

(28,806 posts)
71. You make me feel there's a conspiracy for Sanders supporters to keep challenging Biden
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:46 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie has endorsed Joe.

Sanders supporters are upset with him and taking it out on Democrats.

Real Democrats will vote. Fake Democrats probably won’t no matter how many primaries we go through.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
112. EXACTLY. . .
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 08:41 PM
Apr 2020

Nothing else needs to be said. I don't see how there is anything to be gained or argued over. Sanders is no longer in the race.

Iggo

(47,535 posts)
99. Oh just stop it.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:17 PM
Apr 2020

There ain't no kind of Democratic voter that's fucking stupid enough to sit out the election this November.

And if they tell you they are gonna sit it out, they were never going to vote anyway.

Don't help them depress the vote.

leftieNanner

(15,067 posts)
4. I'm guessing that there are no other primaries that would have been on the ballot
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

Local races? Congressional? It doesn't make any sense to cancel just the Presidential one if that means that fewer people will vote for the local issues.

Igel

(35,275 posts)
58. So what you're saying is that
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

there'll still be polls and voters going out to vote--or the mail-in thing where the USPS achieves its usual efficiency of 100% delivered on time to the correct address.

The only savings here would be a small amount of ink and the reduced voter turnout.

Strange. I guess it does mean less money campaigning against one of your own, though. And effectively means that a suspended campaign can't be revived--or that Sanders can't accrue more delegates that could create a problem later on for Biden.

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
75. Everything you mentioned is true
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:02 PM
Apr 2020

I sorta get it but had they instead gone only vote by mail primary would have given them an opportunity to see where the kinks are for November had they gone that direction. The states can do whatever they want so had I been in charge I would definitely gone a vote by mail primary. It would have been valuable in case November goes vote by mail nationwide.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
84. In 20 counties there are no other races and now those poll workers and others
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

won't have to work.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
140. And clearly, we must end this primary in order to help Sanders' supporters understand that he will
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:04 PM
Apr 2020

not be the nominee under any scenario.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
129. Yes, the counties that have down ballot candidates will vote.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:34 AM
Apr 2020

The ones that do not, will not, saving much money and potentially lives of people.

The Wisconsin fiasco is one that we don't want to repeat.

The NY BOE was given the authority to remove candidates who suspended their campaign from the ballot on April 2. Bernie suspended on April 8.

From the article:

Polling places will remain open to give people the option of voting in person, however. And a presidential primary would have significantly increased turnout.

Jay Jacobs, the New York Democratic chairman, said he supports the decision to cancel the primary, saying it's in the best interest for the public health. Many poll workers are senior citizens who are particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus, he noted.

It would have been a different story if Sanders were still actively seeking the Democratic nomination, Jacobs said.


They have the authority to cancel a primary where there is only one person on the ballot. In a pandemic, in a state which is a hot spot, that is a wise decision in terms of public health.

Those calling it "dismantling democracy" are as mistaken as those calling recent bans on gatherings of over 10 people "a violation of the right to assemble."

It's about way more than "a little ink," it's about public health taking precedence over a former candidate's wish for validation. That candidate will not gain any further "influence" over the platform should this primary take place, and certainly has much to lose by not telling his supporters that public health comes first, and he supports that.

EarthFirst

(2,899 posts)
6. Removing any part of the process is against the basic tenants of a Democratic system...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM
Apr 2020

I’m sure I’ll take a hit on this comment; I’m behind Biden in the general election; however stripping down the process is not acceptable.

New York should have used this opportunity to demonstrate how 100% mail balloting is a viable method to the rest of the nation; White House.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. They're still holding the other primaries. With only one presidential candidate remaining...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 PM
Apr 2020

....what's the point?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
22. If the primaries include other offices and iniciatives, that would be one reason
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:01 PM
Apr 2020

My understanding is they are just removing the Democratic Presidential primary because there is only one candidate as you said George, and that makes sense, especially since Sanders has dropped out and endorsed Biden




George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Exactly. Of the 62 counties in NYS there are 20 that were only having the presidential primary....
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:06 PM
Apr 2020

It's pointless to hold primaries in those 20 counties for essentially no reason.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
132. Earthfirst, if Sanders got to be on the ballot after he dropped out
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:20 AM
Apr 2020

shouldn't the other two dozen or so candidates who also dropped out get to be on it too? They also have supporters who should get the same chance as you to vote for someone who's not running. Whatever that is.

George II

(67,782 posts)
134. Sadly people are making this about Sanders, ignoring the other eight non-complaining candidates....
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:25 AM
Apr 2020

...who were also removed from the ballot:

Michael Bloomberg
Pete Buttigieg
Tulsi Gabbard
Amy Klobuchar
Deval Patrick
Tom Steyer
Elizabeth Warren
Andrew Yang

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
137. :) Of course. More of certain types of people will vote for
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:56 AM
Apr 2020

aggressively hostile candidates who cynically claim to be victimized by their opponents than if they behaved honorably.

That's reality-based SOP for Republicans and for populist leaders on both the left and right. Further, failure to come through angers and alienates antagonistic supporters who expect their leaders to take their attitudes to the national spotlight.

Wouldn't want that, and here it is. Doesn't matter that this was a NY decision, not a DNC or Biden decision. Or that the Biden campaign is negotiating with Sanders to keep the new rules Sanders helped create from paring away all the delegates they would if simply applied the way Sanders presumably had intended.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,609 posts)
20. Tenets. Tenants rent apartments.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:57 PM
Apr 2020

Anyhow, stripping down a process when the process is meaningless - and continuing with it would cost millions of dollars that the state really can't afford now - is the right thing to do. Bernie and the bros are just playing games right now, and those are games we can't afford either financially or politically.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. Entire Democratic POTUS primaries have been cancelled when there was no challenger to the incumbent.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:12 PM
Apr 2020

If there wasn't a pandemic, letting Sanders supporters in NY get that chance to feel good about checking his name off would make more sense. But there is a pandemic, and going forward with an "election" in 20 counties with only candidate on the ballot is irresponsible from a public health perspective. The sort of reaction that's reported in the OP is not very different than those protests to lift stay at home orders before public health officials say it's safe.

There is no challenger to Biden. There is no point to endangering lives so some other candidate's supporters can feel better about not liking the winner.



George II

(67,782 posts)
43. Those complaining the most are also those who bashed Wisconsin for going ahead with their primary.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:22 PM
Apr 2020

Funny how that works.

I can just imagine what's being said on Twitter.

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
52. States have deadline rules for ballot preparation.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:40 PM
Apr 2020

If a candidate drops out before the deadline, they are not on the ballot.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
104. You do realize it takes money to hold an election, right? Cuomo has been all over the tv...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:18 PM
Apr 2020

begging Washington for support for basic services such as police, teachers, first responders, etc. As much as some would like to believe it, I'm sure this move has absolutely nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, or his supporters.

Galraedia

(5,020 posts)
69. I remember Netscape got bought over by AOL for 4.2 billion
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:38 PM
Apr 2020

The move was supposedly done to get AOL away from using Microsoft's Internet Explorer in their AOL browser. However, they continued to use Internet Explorer and didn't do much with Netscape beyond offering a low cost dial-up internet service under the Netscape brand.

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
94. LOL...yeah one of DU's avatars
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:52 PM
Apr 2020

Just mainly the forerunner of (Mozilla) FireFox which I've always used. I can't remember how many versions of Netscape I actually paid for. Seems like about $30 bucks a pop. And it and FireFox were always noticeable faster than IE. I've never used that browser.

Tried Opera a few times but eh.....

KPN

(15,637 posts)
115. Love it! Feels like a Netscape reunion. How long ago
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:58 PM
Apr 2020

was that now? 17-18 years? Seems like yesterday and another life both at the same time.

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
119. I was using Netscape 25 years ago in 95'
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:16 AM
Apr 2020

With my Acer computer with a Pentium 90 CPU. Single core running at 90 Mhz. The computer I built for myself almost four years ago has a four core CPU and each of them run at 4 Ghz.

On Netscape I bought several newer versions as time passed and like I said I think they were about $30 each.

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
10. Ironic?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 PM
Apr 2020

Anti Democrat-Establishment Democrats want to hold a primary with all withdrawn candidates on the ballot

to lock in some portion of the party-guaranteed convention vote for the candidate who ran on the evils of the party mechanism.

Zoonart

(11,834 posts)
11. It costs the state millions of dollars to hold these primaries.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM
Apr 2020

I love in NYS and am thrilled that they called off this mess. We were having a very difficult time staffing up our polling stations before the pandemic hit and most of our poll workers are seniors.

quaint

(2,551 posts)
12. ...citing the risk of spreading coronavirus
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:53 PM
Apr 2020
Because of the board’s decision, voters in about 20 counties that had no other contests on their ballot will have no need to go to the polls on June 23.

Despite arrangements to encourage absentee voting, polling places are expected to remain open in about 42 counties for down ballot races.

The New York Times
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
110. We have a special for a state senate seat.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 08:30 PM
Apr 2020

Vote for Mannion he will teach those Republicans something.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
15. the primary is over, cancel all others, BS dropped out!
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM
Apr 2020

cancel convention also! Focus on general election. Biden should have VP announcement by now.

seta1950

(932 posts)
25. As usual
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:04 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie supporters are not happy, they have to complain, enough already, at this point none of us are sure of our future, let’s just work to get Joe Biden in the White House otherwise nothing’s going to matter much, we’re all going to die.

rickford66

(5,521 posts)
27. The Party should award half the delegates to each candidate.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:05 PM
Apr 2020

I'm in NY and would have no problem with it. It wouldn't change the outcome and Bernie would probably get more delegates than if the primary is held.

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
32. Bernie would have lost NY badly before he dropped out
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:07 PM
Apr 2020

So you're probably right, but Bernie dropped out. Why are we worried about his delicate sensibilities? Someone should ask him if he cares about this, because I doubt he does.

It would be more funny if NY awarded Trumps delegates to someone else, but the parties award delegates, not the state.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Why to only those two candidates? There were about 20 altogether, with that shouldn't...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:14 PM
Apr 2020

....all of them split the delegates?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
78. What party nomination are they running for?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:21 PM
Apr 2020

the Republicans canceled their primary. The would have been only 2 until Sanders dropped out.


The state's Democratic election commissioners voted Monday to remove Sanders and nine other presidential candidates from the New York ballot, making use of a new measure in state law allowing them to do so if a candidate publicly suspends his or her campaign.



Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
126. I positively LOVE your sig line graphic. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍 n/t
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:38 AM
Apr 2020

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
76. Bernie isn't a candidate anymore
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:04 PM
Apr 2020

He dropped out of the race and endorsed Biden. Why, precisely, should we give delegates to someone who isn’t running for president anymore - and if we wanted to do that, why not give half the delegates to Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg, both of whom are also not candidates anymore but whom are actual Democrats?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
31. Good, I live here and it ridiculous to go out when there are no others
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:07 PM
Apr 2020

on the ballot. Its about not finding people to vote, but to find people to work the polls. The Nov ballot can take up those few elections in spots for other offices.


The state's Democratic election commissioners voted Monday to remove Sanders and nine other presidential candidates from the New York ballot, making use of a new measure in state law allowing them to do so if a candidate publicly suspends his or her campaign.



George II

(67,782 posts)
81. There were 20. Nine eventually got on the ballot. All but one (Biden) withdrew and all eight....
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:28 PM
Apr 2020

...of those endorsed Biden.

Supporters of only one ex-candidate are complaining about this sensible decision.

rickford66

(5,521 posts)
88. Bernie didn't withdraw.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 04:36 PM
Apr 2020
The state's Democratic election commissioners voted Monday to remove Sanders and nine other presidential candidates from the New York ballot, making use of a new measure in state law allowing them to do so if a candidate publicly suspends his or her campaign.




He was voted off. There's a difference. I wasn't supporting him, but he did expect to earn delegates.

George II

(67,782 posts)
90. THEY were "voted off". People act like Sanders is being persecuted, but he's being treated....
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:13 PM
Apr 2020

....no differently than any of the other candidates of similar status.

Michael Bloomberg "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Pete Buttigieg "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Tulsi Gabbard "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Amy Klobuchar "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Deval Patrick "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Tom Steyer "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Elizabeth Warren "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone
Andrew Yang "suspended", was removed today, no complaints from anyone

Bernie Sanders "suspended", was removed today, and everyone is upset about it.

What's up with that?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
133. Come on. You know Sanders withdrew and endorsed Biden.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:22 AM
Apr 2020

He also committed to doing his best to elect Biden. But above all, like the other two dozen or so candidates who also withdrew, he's no longer a candidate for president.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
34. Oh noes!
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:09 PM
Apr 2020

This robs the Bernie-bots of the opportunity to complain that if Biden won, the DNC "rigged it."



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. I imagine that the rumors are already abounding that
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:32 PM
Apr 2020

Last edited Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)

"The NY B.O.E. is doing this on the orders of the DNC."

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
41. I understand the logic of this decision, especially since it will no doubt save the state money, but
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:17 PM
Apr 2020

it seems a bit impolitic to completely disregard Sanders supporters, and their (in my opinion) legitimate desire to have a say in the Dem Party platform.

If there is to be any hope of winning at least some of them over to turn out and vote for Biden, cancelling the primary seems, at the very least, unhelpful.

Disclaimer (in case it might be necessary): I am not now, nor was I ever, a Bernie Sanders supporter. My sole concern is whether or not any of them might be brought into the Biden fold.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
95. What about the supporters of Warren, Harris, Klobuchar and Booker? Is it "disregarding" their
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:57 PM
Apr 2020

desires as well? Why are they not pitching a fit about this?

Why is it that only Sanders supporters who have a "legitimate desire" to "have a say in the party platform?"

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
97. That doesn't answer my question. Why do you think that Sanders supporters
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:07 PM
Apr 2020

are the only ones whose desires need to be taken seriously?

Sanders suspended his campaign after the law was passed that gave NY BOE the right to cancel an election if there is only one candidate in the race.

You stated that it was unwise to "ignore their desires."

"A provision in New York’s new budget empowered the state’s board of elections to remove presidential candidates who have suspended their campaigns," so yes, they can remove him from the ballot, along with anyone else who has suspended their campaigns.

I feel that Sanders supporters would be crying foul if Biden and Biden supporters were demanding that the primary go on during a pandemic had Biden been the one to suspend his campaign, stating that Democrats had made their choice, and it would be irresponsible to endanger lives to cater to Biden's ambitions to get as many delegates as possible simply to dilute Bernie's influence over the platform.



scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
98. Honestly, I really don't care enough to keep up a conversation about this.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:16 PM
Apr 2020

All I actually care about is whether we can bring at least some Sanders supporters on board with Biden, so they're not writing in Bernie or voting 3rd party.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
100. And you think that we need to treat Bernie differently than any other candidate
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:18 PM
Apr 2020

in order to do that?

Even if doing so involves needlessly endangering lives during a pandemic?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
42. New York has delivered a major blow to Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) continued push for Democratic po
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:21 PM
Apr 2020



New York has delivered a major blow to Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) continued push for Democratic power.

Democrats on the New York state Board of Elections decided Monday to cancel the party's presidential primary, which had already been pushed from April back to June 23 due to the COVID-19 pandemic. That leaves Sanders without a chance to grab any delegates in the state, despite his insistence on staying on the ballot to secure more standing within the party.

Sanders suspended his 2020 run last month and endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden, but still wanted his supporters to vote for him so his delegates could "exert significant influence over the party platform and other functions" at the Democratic National Convention. But Doug Kellner, one of the two Democratic commissioners on the elections board in New York, concluded Sanders' suspension "ended the real context for the primary election." "Joe Biden is the only candidate and therefore he is effectively the winner of the New York primary," Kellner said, so holding the primary would be "unnecessary and frivolous" during the coronavirus pandemic.

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. What actually happened is that they removed EIGHT candidates from the ballot, all of whom...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:25 PM
Apr 2020

...(including Sanders) suspended their campaigns.

People are acting like this was a "blow" only to Sanders, it's just common sense, particularly since more people are getting sick and dying in NYS than any other state.

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
57. I wonder what NY's deadline for ballot removal is?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

Is Texas 75 days?
I think Texas is 75 days...maybe NY is 90 days or something...

Beto and Kamala weren't on the ballot, but Julian (who dropped out on Jan 2 was)

Here is the sample ballot I handed out..LOL

o Amy Klobuchar
o Tom Steyer
o Julián Castro (dropped out)
o Elizabeth Warren
o Marianne Williamson (dropped out)
o Michael Bennet (dropped out)
o Cory Booker (dropped out)
o Andrew Yang (dropped out)
o Bernie Sanders
o Deval Patrick
o John K. Delaney (dropped out)
o Michael R. Bloomberg
o Tulsi Gabbard
o Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente
o Robby Wells
o Joseph R. Biden
o Pete Buttigieg

I think someone else dropped out and I was manually crossing his name out too....

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
101. A law passed on April 3 gave the NY B.O.E. the ability to remove candidates who had suspended their
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:22 PM
Apr 2020

campaigns from the ballot. Bernie withdrew April 8.

So they had that power to remove former candidates starting on April 3, and as such determined that there was only one person on the ballot from the time that Sanders suspended.

That gave them the authority to cancel any primary where there was only one candidate, and they did, due to public health concerns.

Cha

(296,868 posts)
142. Yeah, BS wasn't the only Primary Canidate NY removed
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 04:34 PM
Apr 2020

from their ballots.

Seems after he dropped out and Endorsed Joe Biden that he's the only one complaining about it, though.

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
46. I'm sure
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:31 PM
Apr 2020

If Bernie picked off one more meaningless delegate, he could have pressured Biden to roll out MFA and forgive all student loan debt - yeah right. Find something else to do guys! There’s a lot of opportunity to make a difference out there.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
54. NYS still has two US House Primaries...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:42 PM
Apr 2020

Lee Zeldin's seat on LI and John Katko's seat upstate. Per Federal Court Order, these have to be held in June.

George II

(67,782 posts)
64. There are a number of House primaries. There still are primaries in 42 of the 62 counties. But...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:26 PM
Apr 2020

...with this at least the voters of 20 counties don't have to vote either by mail-in or risk their health by going to the polls, not to mention the workers themselves (most of which are retirees)

MustLoveBeagles

(11,583 posts)
55. Good
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:42 PM
Apr 2020

It's over so why put New Yorkers at unnecessary risk. As for the hurt feelings, Boo-freaking-Hoo. Get over it already! Bernie has dropped out and endorsed Joe. I'm sure most of his supporters will support Joe in the fall.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
60. Why the fuss, people? Bernie has dropped out of the race. . .
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:00 PM
Apr 2020

. . .therefore his name should NOT be on the ballot.

Note, too, that it is only the POTUS primary being affected here. All other federal, state and local primaries in New York will go on as scheduled for June 23.




#newrostrong

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
103. His supporters would like Bernie to be able to say "I got x delegates, so that gives me x say in the
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:25 PM
Apr 2020

platform drafting."

I can just imagine what the reaction of Sanders supporters would be had Biden been the one to suspend his campaign, and wanted the NY delegates for the same reason....

"There is a PANDEMIC! The people MADE THEIR CHOICE. Joe WITHDREW and ENDORSED BERNIE!!! To hold this primary and risk lives would be IRRESPONSIBLE! Look what happened in Wisconsin when they tried to switch to mail in ballots!!! What is the POINT?"

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Why? Holding the primary is analogous to playing the last three games of a World Series....
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

....after a team sweeps the first four games.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
80. Why not mail ballots?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:26 PM
Apr 2020

I'll tell you why. Because come November it will be the clusterfuck Trump wants and needs.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
136. No. Anyway, SANDERS was behind the 2016 change to the DNC rule
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:35 AM
Apr 2020

that was didn't work for him and contributed to his withdrawal from the race.

It's likely Sanders thought it'd benefit him next time as he continued to the end in 2020, picking up reallocated delegates from others who dropped out and were no longer able to influence the allocation of their delegates to another candidate of similar ideology and away from him.

The DNC’s delegate allocation rules document — which Sanders allies played a role in drafting as part of the “Unity Reform Commission” following the acrimonious 2016 primary — lays it out like this: “If a presidential candidate entitled to an allocation under this rule is no longer a candidate at the time at-large delegates are selected, his/her allocation shall be proportionately divided among the other preferences entitled to an allocation.”


He just didn't pick up enough under his new reallocation rule.
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
139. I'll happily vote by mail ballot for Biden.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

It's my right. I will exercise it.

Thank you, to our Democratic Governor Gina Raimundo and Secretary of State Nellie Gorbea.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
141. Us too. Lucky you. We had to vote by mail twice
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:10 PM
Apr 2020

since we have crooked election thief Brian Kemp for governor and GA's Republicans of course are grabbing every opportunity to try to sabotage and suppress the vote.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
89. I'm glad MI had it somewhat early, just after super Tuesday.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:01 PM
Apr 2020

Democrats still came to vote in droves, mostly for Joe, but importantly for the Detroit tri-county area, there was a proposal on support for the Detroit Art Institute. If the primary had been canceled, the issue might have been pushed to the August primaries, where many more Republicans would be voting.

It was smart to put that arts-support issue on a predominantly Democratic primary. The three Republicans who bothered to vote (unanimously) for Trump were not enough to defeat the support.

Did NY have any proposals that have to be moved because of this cancellation?

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
92. Surprised the remaining primary states aren't taking this as an opportunity to trial mail-in ballots
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:24 PM
Apr 2020

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
109. It cost money...states are near bankruptcy...the primary is over. They should all be cancelled.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:35 PM
Apr 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
93. NY made the decision to allow the BOE to cancel primaries with one candidate April 3
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:40 PM
Apr 2020

Sanders suspended his campaign April 8.

This decision was not about "keeping Bernie down."

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
111. I'm not sure what this primary would have changed?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 08:40 PM
Apr 2020

Just saying. . . . Sanders already endorsed Biden. . . If this were still a race, I would understand, but do we need to club this subject any further?

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
113. The presidential primaries should be held on the same date in every state.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 08:59 PM
Apr 2020

It's not fair to have "early" states and states whose vote is too late to matter.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
117. That would be much simpler wouldn't it.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:13 AM
Apr 2020

Either that or two big primary days maybe 2 weeks apart. Get it out of the way and the presumptive winner could get a running start on everything.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
122. That would lead to under representation by the smaller less populated states.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:35 AM
Apr 2020

The candidates would focus on the states with the most delegates like CA, NY, TX, FL, IL, PA. The smaller states and regions would be mostly ignored.

A better change would be some sort of groupings of states then have a "Super Tuesday" like primary every month from Feb to June.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
127. What do you mean ignored?
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:58 AM
Apr 2020

One National Primary Day.

Heck, I was a Warren supporter. She was out well before I had the chance to vote for her, something I was dreaming of doing since 2016 when I hoped she would run. We are talking heart wrenching sadness. But it has had to be buried in light of Coronavirus.

I’m a big girl, and know that this year is once again make or break for the soul of our country.

I am not stupid. With an open mind and a hopeful heart I will vote for Biden. And pray he wins.

BUT:

I live in a red area of New York. We NEVER get the Dem candidates to visit us. We never have an over abundance of ads to turns us purple or blue.

I have always wondered about these early states that get tons of attention with chances to meet the candidates in town halls and rope lines. Everyone says that they need some sort of retail politics to be willing to vote for a candidate.

For once, I wish someone would tell me the metric that decided which states are held by the hand and given access to the candidates, and which are left to just be happy to read news articles, watch a few ads and go to rallies without the candidates in attendance.

Sorry, I just get really angry about it and can’t see how any candidate can blanket the nation and expect to have satisfied all their potential voter’s desires for personal attention, a townhall, a handshake or a selfie, even if they were given limitless time to campaign.

I have to do my homework. So can others.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
130. As I said to someone else I am not defending the current system.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:43 AM
Apr 2020

It needs to be changed but a single day primary is also problematic as I explained previously.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
114. Why the fuck run an election when there is only one candidate.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:06 PM
Apr 2020

All others have suspended their campaigns and endorsed Biden.

The race is over.

There is only one candidate. I can’t see running an election so a few loud people don’t get their feelings hurt.

And these folks are always looking for reasons to feel like victims. Might as well give them one.

They will forever see losing at anytime to anyone as nothing other than a conspiracy against them. They will never admit that the vast majority of the Democratic Party rejects their their whole revolution bullshit.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
116. what about the downballot offices? Do they have a separate primary?
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:09 AM
Apr 2020

when we had ours, all candidates were on the ballot, contested or not.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
121. Yes, those will be held because they are legitimate and required.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:25 AM
Apr 2020

Only the Dem primary is cancelled since its meaningless.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
120. I dont get the "influence the party platform" argument.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:24 AM
Apr 2020

Bernie will have no more or no less influence regardless of how many delegates he accumulates. Sanders has already established he is a significant leader of the left wing of the party and Biden has already committed to working with Sanders on the platform.

Arguing over numbers of delegates is pointless and only leads to further division in the party and helps Trump.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
125. NY STATE'R HERE
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:26 AM
Apr 2020

We will have a Primary in June for down ballot elections. Just in case others are wondering about the logistics.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
144. NY took this action to save money
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 07:18 PM
Apr 2020

Mailing a separate presidential ballot would cost New York a ton of money https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/27/new-york-cancels-democratic-presidential-primary-1280260

The cancellation will likely save the state millions of dollars and make it easier to increase the use of voting by mail in local elections in the coming months. But it also will anger supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who had hoped to win some delegates in New York to increase their sway over the party’s platform.

We should minimize the number of people on the ballot, minimize the election for the protection of everybody … and not have everyone on the ballot just for purposes of issues at a convention,” Democratic Board of Elections Commissioner Andy Spano said during the board's meeting. ….

“But we’re dealing with a statute [that] specifically says that if a candidate has announced that they’re suspending their campaign, that they can be removed from the ballot,” he said. “What the Sanders supporters want is essentially a beauty contest that, given the situation with the public health emergency that seems to exist now, seems to be unnecessary and frivolous.”

Kellner and other election officials had framed the decision as a logical one that will make it much easier to administer elections in a year with an unprecedented number of administrative challenges

For one, it will make it much easier to manage a newly expanded system of voting-by-mail. There will still be a number of primaries for congressional, state, and local elections on June 23. But presidential ballots need to be designed differently, because of the way people elect delegates. That would have meant the ballot would need to be printed on a separate piece of paper and would cause at least a doubling in the paperwork involved.

Mailing 6.5 million ballots for a presidential primary … in addition to whatever number is required for a state and local election, is likely impossible,” a board staff memo on the subject said. “Mailing a lesser number for a state and local election may be impossible as well, but it would likely be more attainable.”

And it’ll save some money at a time when the state's finances are in free-fall.

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