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(34,195 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:13 PM May 2020

Judge orders Sanders, others to be reinstated to New York primary ballot

Source: The Hill

A federal judge issued a ruling Tuesday requiring New York to hold its presidential primary in June and restore Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and other former presidential contenders to the ballot.

The ruling from Judge Analisa Torres of the Southern District of New York, an Obama appointee, said that Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s (D) decision to scrap his state’s primary violated the First and 14th Amendment rights of White House contenders who have since ended their campaigns.

“The Court concludes that Plaintiffs and Plaintiff-Intervenors have shown a clear and substantial likelihood of success on the merits of their claim that the Democratic Commissioners’ April 27 Resolution removing Yang, Sanders, and eight other Democratic presidential candidates from the ballot deprived them of associational rights under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution,” Torres ruled, referring to entrepreneur Andrew Yang, another former presidential candidate who filed the lawsuit against New York.

“We shouldn’t have nonessential primaries. There is only one candidate who is running,” New York Democratic Party Chairman Jay Jacobs said at the time.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/496276-judge-orders-sanders-others-to-be-reinstated-to-new-york-primary-ballot



“Senator Sanders wishes to remain on the ballot, and is concerned that his removal from the ballot would undermine efforts to unify the Democratic Party in advance of the general election,” Malcolm Seymour, an attorney representing the Sanders campaign, wrote at the time to Andrew Spano, the commissioner for the New York State Board of Elections.
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Judge orders Sanders, others to be reinstated to New York primary ballot (Original Post) left-of-center2012 May 2020 OP
Link to NBC nitpicker May 2020 #1
k/r jorgevlorgan May 2020 #2
Sigh. eggplant May 2020 #3
Someone help me. TomSlick May 2020 #4
You are wrong on several counts democrattotheend May 2020 #7
I buy part of that. TomSlick May 2020 #9
One third of the counties have nothing else on their ballot. That's a lot of wasted effort pnwmom May 2020 #15
Our candidate in the special election upstate to replace criminal Chris Collins, is Nate McMurray. NBachers May 2020 #18
Many Supported Universal Healthcare with Sanders McKim May 2020 #32
I understand taking a principled position. TomSlick May 2020 #41
Sanders. Once again. Sanders. Always Sanders. Like always Florida. Or always Karen. LizBeth May 2020 #5
It wasn't Sanders who filed this lawsuit democrattotheend May 2020 #6
Malcolm Seymour, an attorney representing the Sanders campaign. "Senator Sanders wishes to remain... LizBeth May 2020 #8
And yet the post was accurate. Igel May 2020 #10
I stand with what I said in first post. I hope he gets his ass handed to him in humiliating fashion LizBeth May 2020 #17
Go away Rebl2 May 2020 #13
Im mixed about this. Yang is a good guy & i partly agree onetexan May 2020 #33
Naive in the extreme... jimlup May 2020 #22
My side? My side is the blue wave and getting Trump out. That is "my side". Not your side? LizBeth May 2020 #31
sorry I am also on that side... jimlup May 2020 #37
I know exactly how you feel. Not sure I agree, though. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #34
Hello and stay well! jimlup May 2020 #36
With the budgets of state governments having huge holes blasted into them because of the pandemic, TexasTowelie May 2020 #11
The additional cost is negligible democrattotheend May 2020 #21
It's still a waste of money. TexasTowelie May 2020 #26
Fade away, Bernie. Fade away. PubliusEnigma May 2020 #12
Here's what the BS campaign had to say, first by way of Weaver... lapucelle May 2020 #14
What's interesting is a day after Weaver's statement, he started a new Super PAC to support Biden! George II May 2020 #20
What will they do with the money, George? lapucelle May 2020 #28
More Bernie BS. Wish he would just go away. Sell-by date is way past due. SharonAnn May 2020 #16
this was actually andrew yang's doing jorgevlorgan May 2020 #27
Bizarre headline, it was Yang's lawsuit but the headline only mentions Sanders? George II May 2020 #19
Nothing unifies the party like another primary Renew Deal May 2020 #23
Agree or disagree, the judge had little choice Polybius May 2020 #24
Why Is BS So Willing To Be Humiliated Again? Me. May 2020 #25
How Is It that Republicans Can Just Wipe Out Presidential Primaries? TomCADem May 2020 #29
Good burrowowl May 2020 #30
Thankful this decision was struck down by the judge Devil Child May 2020 #35
Since Biden is a lock Karma13612 May 2020 #38
There will be an appeal Gothmog May 2020 #39
It is very simple actually ripcord May 2020 #40

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
4. Someone help me.
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:47 PM
May 2020

How does forcing an election in the middle of a pandemic advance "efforts to unify the Democratic Party in advance of the general election?"

Honestly, I'm not being snarky. I sincerely don't understand.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
7. You are wrong on several counts
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:56 PM
May 2020

First of all, Cuomo already ordered absentee ballot applications to be sent to all registered voters and that anyone who wants can vote by mail. Second, most of the state had other elections that day anyway, including a special election upstate to replace Chris Collins. If Wisconsin is any indication this could be a Congressional pickup opportunity.

Also, I think it will help unify the party because people who supported candidates other than Biden won't feel disenfranchised. Had the primary remained cancelled, it would have been used by Russian disinformation artists to convince some Bernie supporters that Biden got the nomination illegitimately.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
9. I buy part of that.
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:19 PM
May 2020

The absentee ballots will certainly help the impact of the pandemic. Further, if people will be voting in other elections anyway, leaving candidates on the presidential ballot who have terminated their campaigns will not significantly increase the number of people voting in person.

Russian disinformation artists will do their thing no matter what is done. Anyone who believes that VP Biden obtained the nomination illegitimately either does not understand the democratic election process or disapproves of the process. The decision to file the lawsuit could not reasonably have been based on fear of the Russians.

I still do not understand how filing a lawsuit to require that a candidate who has endorsed the apparent nominee nevertheless be on the ballot advances party unity. However, I will allow that I have never been inextricably tied to any candidate. I think that had I been so tied to a candidate who had endorsed the apparent nominee, I would take my chosen candidate's endorsement at face value and vote accordingly.


pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
15. One third of the counties have nothing else on their ballot. That's a lot of wasted effort
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:10 PM
May 2020

for those counties.

NBachers

(17,098 posts)
18. Our candidate in the special election upstate to replace criminal Chris Collins, is Nate McMurray.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:13 PM
May 2020

The Congressional District is NY 27, from just east of Buffalo to western Monroe County and Finger Lakes communities.

Nate McMurray is a brash and committed Democrat; an accomplished and educated local boy who done good. He's been tirelessly campaigning in every burg and hamlet in his district, and has created a strong grassroots ground game. He lost the last election by .37%. He can make it happen this time if we give him some support.

Once McMurray's elected, his tireless advocacy for Western New York will turn that region blue. There's a seat with his name on it waiting in the House of Representatives. Let's put him in it.

https://www.votemcmurray.com/

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/nate-mcmurray-4

McKim

(2,412 posts)
32. Many Supported Universal Healthcare with Sanders
Wed May 6, 2020, 12:24 AM
May 2020

Many voters passionately wanted Sanders because he firmly supports universal healthcare. Voters deserve a chance to vote for that as a way to show candidate Biden that so many people want this policy. Thus they can influence the Democratic Party platform. It’s a simple matter of fairness and democracy. Otherwise these voters will feel sidelined and marginalized. This is in the interests of party unity and fairness.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
41. I understand taking a principled position.
Wed May 6, 2020, 09:17 PM
May 2020

However, I question whether given the existential threat to the country posed by Trump and absolute necessity of defeating him in November, whether it is a good idea for any Democrat to vote against the person who will be the Democratic nominee.

I also do not understand how a former candidate can endorse the winner of the primary process and nevertheless insist that he remain on the ballot to encourage his supporters to vote against the candidate he has endorsed. It may be a function of some misguided sense of personal honor but if I tell someone I am on their side, I will be on their side.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
6. It wasn't Sanders who filed this lawsuit
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:54 PM
May 2020

It was Andrew Yang. I don't know why the media reporting this story is focused on Sanders exclusively.

As a New Yorker I am very happy about this. I was upset about not being able to cast a vote, even if only a symbolic one. And Cuomo already ordered that not only will everyone be allowed to vote by mail, but absentee ballot applications will be automatically sent to registered voters. As far as I know Republicans have not challenged this. So we won't have the same safety issues Wisconsin had. Plus, most of the state had other elections scheduled that day anyway. This should help the Democrat in the upstate special Congressional election.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
8. Malcolm Seymour, an attorney representing the Sanders campaign. "Senator Sanders wishes to remain...
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:00 PM
May 2020

“Senator Sanders wishes to remain on the ballot"

Igel

(35,296 posts)
10. And yet the post was accurate.
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:27 PM
May 2020

Sanders was affected, so had a right to say what he wanted. He doesn't have to conform to the Party line.

Yet he did not file the lawsuit.

Now, if you have evidence he would have filed the lawsuit had that chain not been Yanged, there ya go.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
17. I stand with what I said in first post. I hope he gets his ass handed to him in humiliating fashion
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:13 PM
May 2020

even worse than 2016 by HRC.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
33. Im mixed about this. Yang is a good guy & i partly agree
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:08 AM
May 2020

That ppl shld be allowed to vote for theircandidate if only symbolically.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
22. Naive in the extreme...
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:31 PM
May 2020

God I hope your side prevails but I don't have enough faith ... I fear that we have not gone bold enough.

I'm sure you have no idea what I'm talking about. And, unfortunately, it doesn't matter. The die is cast. God, i hope we succeed but we may not because we've been short sighted and naive and cast our lot with the tied and failed strategy.

(Oh dear, I fear the thought police will soon be after me ... )

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
34. I know exactly how you feel. Not sure I agree, though.
Wed May 6, 2020, 08:38 AM
May 2020

Not sure I disagree, either.

But, I continue to sail into the wind, bucking the tide, going against the flow. Que sera, sera.

TexasTowelie

(112,099 posts)
11. With the budgets of state governments having huge holes blasted into them because of the pandemic,
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:31 PM
May 2020

this appears to be a pointless and futile exercise wasting money that could have a more useful purpose.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
21. The additional cost is negligible
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:29 PM
May 2020

The BOE, which probably overestimated costs for the lawsuit (or used the highest figure it could) estimated $5 million. New York's budget is approximately $177 billion. I'd say it's a small price to pay for preserving democracy and avoiding a terrible precedent.

TexasTowelie

(112,099 posts)
26. It's still a waste of money.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:59 PM
May 2020

The only precedent being set is by the Democratic Party who realizes that having money spent with only one active candidate is wasteful. The issue is not about preserving democracy.

lapucelle

(18,241 posts)
14. Here's what the BS campaign had to say, first by way of Weaver...
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:03 PM
May 2020
The Sanders campaign and many of its supporters in the state had requested that he remain on the ballot, for this reason. “What the Board of Elections is ignoring is that the primary process not only leads to a nominee but also the selection of delegates which helps determine the platform and rules of the Democratic Party,” Jeff Weaver, one of Sanders’ senior advisers, said in a statement sent to Politico. “New York has clearly violated its approved delegate selection plan. If this is not remedied, New York should lose all its delegates to the 2020 Democratic National Convention and there should be a broader review by the Democratic Party of New York’s checkered pattern of voter disenfranchisement.”


...and then by way of BS himself.



*****************************************************************************************

How very, very unifying.

Have a donut, Jeff. Take one for a friend.



SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
16. More Bernie BS. Wish he would just go away. Sell-by date is way past due.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:12 PM
May 2020

Why can’t he ever seem supportive, gracious, even generous.

jorgevlorgan

(8,286 posts)
27. this was actually andrew yang's doing
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:01 PM
May 2020

Bernie was not responsible for the lawsuit that prompted the decision.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Bizarre headline, it was Yang's lawsuit but the headline only mentions Sanders?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:18 PM
May 2020

That's right, it's The Hill.

Also, I tried wading through the layers of The Hill's links in the article, but my understanding was that Cuomo didn't cancel the primary, the New York State Board of Elections cancelled it.

Renew Deal

(81,853 posts)
23. Nothing unifies the party like another primary
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:38 PM
May 2020

It's another opportunity to vote against Sanders, so I guess that's good.

Polybius

(15,373 posts)
24. Agree or disagree, the judge had little choice
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:39 PM
May 2020

While a primary election can be postponed, it can not be canceled outright.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. Why Is BS So Willing To Be Humiliated Again?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:40 PM
May 2020

As to gaining power with his delegated, I guess he doesn't understand how the world has changed. As for Yang, he was talking about running for mayor of NYC. He can forget that now.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
29. How Is It that Republicans Can Just Wipe Out Presidential Primaries?
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:28 PM
May 2020

To avoid challenges to Trump, yet Democrats have to continue to risk their lives and go to the polls for a race that is over?

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
35. Thankful this decision was struck down by the judge
Wed May 6, 2020, 08:49 AM
May 2020

No such thing as a “non-essential” primary. All elections are essential Mr. Jacobs.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
38. Since Biden is a lock
Wed May 6, 2020, 09:33 AM
May 2020

I wonder if voting for my originally preferred candidate will have an effect on the platform?

And would we get the results to see where the votes fell?

ripcord

(5,328 posts)
40. It is very simple actually
Wed May 6, 2020, 06:31 PM
May 2020

Removing the candidates would have been perfectly legal if they had withdrawn from the campaign but they never did that, they just suspended their campaigns and never asked for their names to be removed. Under election law they are still candidates if they qualified for the ballot and have not withdrawn.

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