Bill Clinton Went to Jeffrey Epstein's Island With 2 'Young Girls', Virginia Giuffre Says

[Devil Child]

Source: Newsweek

In recently unsealed court documents involving dead child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman named Virginia Giuffre, who publicly accused Epstein of sex trafficking, said that she once saw former Democratic President Bill Clinton on Epstein's island with "two young girls" from New York.

In the questioning by lawyer Jack Scarola, Guiffre was asked, "Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epstein's specifically telling you that 'Bill Clinton owes me favors?'"

"Yes, I do," Guiffre answered. "It was a laugh though. He would laugh it off. You know, I remember asking Jeffrey what's Bill Clinton doing here [on Epstein's island] kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said well he owes me favors."

"He never told me what favors they were," Guiffre continued. "I never knew. I didn't know if he was serious. It was just a joke... He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors. They're all in each other's pockets."

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/bill-clinton-went-jeffrey-epsteins-island-2-young-girls-virginia-giuffre-says-1521845

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So disappointed if true.

[secondwind]

1. This might explain Hillary's absence yesterday at Lewis' memorial.

Who knows ....

[CTyankee]

2. I wondered about her absence.

There was no mention that she couldn't come because of whatever and sent her love. But Bill was so good. He stayed for the entire service afaik and didn't duck out early.

[monmouth4]

11. Was Michelle there? I think it had more to do with COVID pre-cautions and seating arrangements. nt

[PatSeg]

21. I think you're right

Perhaps it was decided to have only one person representing certain families.

[Rebl2]

37. I don't

believe she was. Think it was Covid related. Why put both the Obamas at risk. Same with Hillary.

[niyad]

42. Speaker Pelosi pointed out that even the Congressional delegation was limited due to social distanci

[lapucelle]

164. None of the former first ladies was there.

It was made clear by Nancy Pelosi that priority on the limited number of seats due to covid was given to Congressman Lewis's staff.

[delisen]

5. How?

[DownriverDem]

26. Why does

this matter?

[Jose Garcia]

51. Health concerns are more likely. I'm sure she knew about this already

[yaesu]

59. I'm thinking 1 representative per family & Bill was it do to seating restrictions nt

[onetexan]

101. Nonsense. Nothing in the article tells me Bill Clinton did anything. Esptein seems boastful

that everyone owes him favors, whatever that means. I'm sure the Idiot owes him alot of favors.

[azureblue]

115. like I would believe her

At this point she will say anything to save her hide. Even lie. I will bet if you press her for specifics, like when and where she will suddenly get real vague. She will not pin it down, because, Mr. Clinton's whereabouts are well tracked. IF she gets caught lying before her case she will have a huge problem in court.

This is an attempt to spread FUD on BC to distract from Trump's well documented pedoparties with EPstein

[brush]

139. Certainly seems there's a political agenda to this article.

Everyone wants to know about the sitting fucking president and young girls and Epstein. That's the big question right now and they ask her about Clinton?

trump is the elephant in the room that they ignore.

[azureblue]

116. Know before you post

Her absence is explained due to lack of seating and she was not the only one.

[Hekate]

143. I think it had more to do with COVID. How many other spouses were not there?

[lapucelle]

167. Neither Michelle Obama nor Laura Bush was there. N/T

[Hekate]

171. Exactly

[LakeArenal]

3. Well since we can't believe police brutality without pictures...

I’ll reserve my opinion until I do.

Why would it come out now? Spoilers?

As much as I loved Bill, I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility. I just thought Bill was smarter than, say, Prince Andrew. Protecting his reputation a bit better.

[catsudon]

28. found this on reddit:

I merged all public PDFs into 4 PDFs you can search through by opening the PDF in chrome browser. Including original blacked-out sections that you can reveal by copy-paste into a notepad app.

Download here:

1: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tHbK2ZgzmdUK6pJS1owulpZ69JcubwA4/view?usp=sharing

2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15V6oc1a-jtlAu173TxhUqS6dJyhiQhlM/view?usp=sharing

3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12weyvl2LnT3WFHlnIwuz1HZByVWvXCDz/view?usp=sharing

4: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1efDeeGEzflDNzxxhaUZfwJ51sW3dqcpc/view?usp=sharing

Happy hunting!

Documents scraped from: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4355835/giuffre-v-maxwell/?order_by=desc&page=7

[Devil Child]

34. Thanks for the links catsudon!

[LakeArenal]

48. Sorry I am not a cut and paster with no notepad.

But I trust you have them.

[certainot]

75. thanks. did anyone see names like limbaugh and hannity in there?

[catsudon]

78. no

but i was surprised by this

[kskiska]

153. Hawking was know to frequent strip clubs

I'm not surprised if he's involved in this.

[lapucelle]

169. What are we supposed to be hunting for? N/T

[oldsoftie]

38. Its not really "new" information; its been out there for a long time.

This is just from the recently released documents i believe

[LakeArenal]

57. Not information. Rumored.

[oldsoftie]

60. Well, its more than just a rumor when its questioning by an attorney.

But OK.

[LakeArenal]

63. You have read the transcript? Even if Maxwell said it it's still a rumor.

If it takes pictures to prove police brutality, then give us real proof.

I’m not going to hang a beloved Democrat on the word of a sex trafficker.

I have seen one picture of Bill not anywhere near Maxwell. He’s not even looking at her let alone shaking her hand.

If trump had ANYTHING on Bill Clinton-it would be plastered everywhere three years ago. Or when the Epstein shit hit the fan.

I have said this is in the realm of possibility

But never on the “word” of Maxwell.

[catsudon]

67. there is nothing wrong standing next to maxwell

[Devil Child]

69. Checkmate!

[lapucelle]

170. What does that mean? N/T

[SoCalNative]

72. This is not on the word of Maxwell

this is from attorney questioning of Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein's victims

[oldsoftie]

82. I dont think that fact matters either.

[oldsoftie]

83. Trump doesnt say anything about it because he has his OWN problems with Epstein.

He wouldnt want to bring more attention to that

[pnwmom]

168. Giuffre gave no details, other than to say she saw him and there were 2 young females there, too.

She didn't say what they were doing -- e.g., they could have been eating dinner or walking around outside, and there could have been other people there, too.

She says virtually nothing specific, but some people want to read much more into it.

[pnwmom]

4. That isn't what it says. It doesn't say he traveled there with two young girls.

It says she saw him there with two young girls, and it doesn't say where she saw him there or what he was doing.

And no woman has ever publicly accused Clinton in connection with Epstein.

[George II]

10. Exactly! The Island has a huge house and three guest cottages. At any time there probably were....

....dozens of people on the island.

I'm really tired of this stuff being insinuated about Clinton for decades. He did some bad things (although not illegal things), and he apologized for it and atoned for it. As far as we know, he's done NOTHING since the mid-1990s, 25-years ago.

[FBaggins]

25. Clinton says he was never on the island

So it's either a complete fabrication on her part or word games don't matter. "I was there, but did not see or participate in anything untoward" is not on the table.

[Cosmocat]

35. There is at least one other person who has said he saw BC on the Island

This is a red line kind of thing.

I have no time for 99.5% of the republican bullshit with him, but there is lot of information out there that he was at least cozy with Epstein.

Tact here is let the facts come in and if he did anything with young girls let him hang.

[FBaggins]

68. I'm not sure that two is enough in this case

She was reportedly 16 when she was on the island. That would put the supposed event in the middle of Clinton's second term and after the Lewinsky scandal.

How does a sitting president disappear to a private island without something showing up in official logs?

[Cosmocat]

111. There just is a lot of factors that give me pause with him on this

I am not saying that there is drop dead proof.

But, my impression is that he was seen by Scully after he was POTUS.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

Flight logs have him on Epstein's plane dozens of times.

Again, I like him and he was a darn fine President, but his decision making in regard to women is bad enough and there is enough information out there he was cozy with Epstein, and he is not stupid or naive about people. WTH would he run around with this puke bag?

To me he is just as likely as 45 to have done the dirt here, and I am not inclined to try to defend him on this cause again, Bill ain't stupid.

[Greg K]

96. Yes, he has admitted that he flew on Epstein's plane for Clinton Foundation stuff,

But none of the flight logs show him going to the Little St. James island AFAIK.

There would really have to be some corroborating evidence that he'd been to the island and done something illegal there for this to amount to anything.

But if there is such evidence, I agree, let him hang

[Demsrule86]

187. Bull shit Clinton never travels without SS protection. And those who attack Bill Clinton

while giving Trump a pass...are helping the right wing...and News Week has become a right wing source.

[Miguelito Loveless]

79. Hmmm... Let's look at who has a history of playing wordgames

[pnwmom]

134. Clinton has said he wasn't there. And the flight logs don't show him there.

And no woman has ever personally accused him of anything with regard to Epstein.

[pnwmom]

138. Who cares about Bill Clinton? Except for some Trumpers trying to distract. n/t

[Miguelito Loveless]

147. Apparently a number of folk on our side

willing to make excuses for him, and suddenly cast aspersions on a woman they were championing when it looked like she would hurt Trump and his allies.

Hypocrisy is ugly no matter who is committing it.

[pnwmom]

148. What woman? Not a single woman has accused Bill Clinton

of molesting or assaulting her in connection with Epstein and his multiple homes. And not a single woman said she witnessed him molesting or assaulting a girl.

[Demsrule86]

188. Hmmm lets look at people who accuse a Democrat with nothing but innuendo but give

Trump a pass.

[certainot]

50. facts really don't matter as long as americans let trump/putin rule the radio waves

guys like limbaugh and hannity, who have had their own sex related issues, will lead the chorus of 1500 radio stations regardless of facts, context, or proportionality in continuing their attaccks on the clintons, or any democrats, but if trump was actually regularly hanging around with epstien and is associated with an actual underage orgy it will be ignored

[LizBeth]

74. Right. I am so not going to defend Bill,, and throw his ass in prison IF...,

But I am not seeing enough like with Dershowitz (sp). But I won't be one that looks for reasons to dismiss or excuses to be made, either.

[George II]

6. Were they "with" him or were they there at the same time as him? I was just at the supermarket....

....one could say I was there "with" a dozen young girls.

For what we know, those "two young girls" could have been Chelsea and one of her friends.

We need to know more, AND since this is Democratic Underground, I'd like to know which REPUBLICANS were there and what they were doing.

By the way, Stephen Hawking visited the island among many others.

[Cosmocat]

43. Look

I have not time for republican bullshit.

But, this is not GOP driven.

There are other people who have put him on the island, and there is a lot of other publicly available information about him being cozy with Epstein.

And, honestly, if Bill and Hillary let Chelsea on that island that would be an even bigger level of horrible.

I love the guy and again have not time for any GOP bullshit, but the tact here is let the facts come in and if he did anything let him hang.

[lapucelle]

172. What other people put Bill Clinton on the island?

Why would you bring Hillary and Chelsea into this?

Why on earth would anybody think that "Bill and Hillary let Chelsea on the island"?

[Cosmocat]

174. I was replying to the post

That person speculated that the girls that were seen on the island while he was there might have Chelsea and her friends.

[lapucelle]

175. What other people put Clinton on the islamd? N/T

[Cosmocat]

181. Netflix doc

https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/clinton-spent-time-on-epsteins-orgy-island-netflix-doc/

[lapucelle]

183. Rupert Murdoch's NY Post is a right wing source

and Donald Trump's favorite newspaper.



******************************************************************************************************

And what secondary source does the the NY Post cite? Why The Sun of course, another Murdoch-owned right wing rag:



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And what exactly does primary source IT Guy have to say?

"You tell yourself that you didn't know for sure and you never really saw anything, but that's all just rationalization."

I wonder why the hard hitting journalists at The Sun and Netflix didn't question IT Guy more closely about the absent secret service detail.

There were no other guests around at the time, [IT Guy] claims.

The right wing continues to spin its tales in Trump's service despite the fact that even Fox News was forced to admit in 2016 that their FOIA requests returned plane logs and secret service records that contradicted the allegation.

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane.

and

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

Isn't it interesting that the same debunked, distracting, and divisive conspiracy theory that was trotted out in 2016 is rearing its head again in 2020?

Whose interest does that serve?

Cui bono?

[lapucelle]

184. Here's what James Patterson (who wrote the book that led to the Netflix docuseries) had to say

RS: Did you ever speak to Bill Clinton directly about Epstein?

JP: Sure.

RS: What did he say?

JP: He knew him, he didn’t consider him to be a friend. I mean, you’re running a foundation. You’re doing a lot of good things, and somebody says, “we can get you a plane,” for example, the plane that went to Africa that Epstein supplied on at least one of the trips. And that’s when Clinton and Bush were working on trying to help the situation with AIDS in Africa. Nobody does like, oh, let’s do a pleasure trip and have a fun time, we’re all gonna go to Africa, you know. Even there, when you get into this thing about there were 20 trips [Fox News has reported that Clinton flew 26 times on Epstein’s private plane], whatever the hell. It was more that there was one trip to Africa and there were, like, ten stops on that one trip.

and

RS: The series heavily implies that Clinton is lying at least about the fact that he visited him on Little St. James.

JP: Well what does that mean, heavily implied? They interviewed one person who, I don’t know what to make of him. We uncovered nothing on Clinton. And had there been anything, I would’ve put it in the book. I don’t know what to make of that one fellow. [Patterson is referring to a former Epstein employee and IT worker on the island, who alleges he saw Clinton there; Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein accuser, also reports having seen him on the island.] I don’t know what to make of what he had to say.

I do know that my experience is that Clinton has never traveled without Secret Service. If it is accurate, then it should be in the Secret Service logs.

[betsuni]

185. +1

[sheshe2]

193. +++

[melman]

194. Here's the part you left out

RS: You’re obviously a collaborator of Clinton’s. [Patterson and Clinton wrote a novel together and are working on a second book.] Did you speak to him about the allegations in the series?


JP: I had done the book on an Epstein before he and I worked on a novel. So we were not at that stage. We weren’t friendly here, hadn’t worked together. We found nothing. And we talked to some people that had piloted planes. We found nothing on him. Zero. We found nothing on him, we found nothing on Trump, we found nothing on Dershowitz.


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-james-patterson-filthy-rich-netflix-doc-1020440/

[lapucelle]

196. Yes, when Patterson was writing his Epstein book, he wasn't yet friendly with Bill Clinton.

That shows that James Patterson had no personal motive to go light on Clinton or omit facts.

And after his Epstein research and book publication, Patterson chose to collaborate with Bill Clinton on a book. And now Patterson is collaborating with him on a second book.

Your additional facts support Patterson having been objective about Bill Clinton in his Epstein exposé ("We uncovered nothing on Clinton. And had there been anything, I would’ve put it in the book." ), and Patterson's later and current willingness to work closely not once, but twice with Bill Clinton attests to what Patterson thinks of the allegations.

Thank you for citing additional evidence in support of Bill Clinton. I think that's what is called an own goal.

[Cha]

197. Mahalo, lapucelle!!

[Zoonart]

7. If Bill Clinton

is proven to have abused underaged girls with Jeffrey Epstein then he can go to jail too.

See... this is where Democrats are different from republicans. We want to see justice done honestly... for everyone.

[Cosmocat]

44. T H I S

Love the Big Dog, but if he did anything here let him hang.

[Squinch]

55. I agree. Show me proof, and I'll be totally behind his having his ass handed to him. Along with

the rest of them.

[onetexan]

102. +1 K&R

[lapucelle]

176. Fox tried really hard to find proof for the claim back in 2016,

but even they had to admit defeat after their FOIA requests returned plane logs and secret service records that contradicted the allegation.

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane.

and

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

[Demsrule86]

189. Never understood those who rush to attack Democrats on this site...almost like they were

waiting for this moment?

[LizBeth]

77. +1

[RandiFan1290]

146. Exactly

The trolls think they are cute with their "bu bu but Bill too!" bullshit

Lock them all up. IDGAF

[0nirevets]

8. Bill better man up and come clean, and do so now. No Lewinsky denials or sidesteps.

This is serious business. Nothing short of full disclosure will do. This is bigger than Bill alone.

[George II]

17. What does President Clinton need to "man up and come clean" about? A vague sentence or two....

....in Newsweek?

This whole story is BS as far as I'm concerned.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

19. No one is going to admit to raping underage girls.

Unless he plans on fleeing to France.

[rb15]

27. your response sounds like your support right-wing smears

The statement does not prove that Clinton did anything wrong. remember Franken?

[samsingh]

45. let's focus on trump's admitted sexual assaults

[Sapient Donkey]

141. Nothing to "man up" and come clean for yet. As far as I know, there isn't anything to support these

claims out in the public yet. I am not saying this is absolutely false, but we can't assume they are true without some sort of evidence, can we? I know I can't bring myself to do that.

There is a difference between taking accusations seriously vs. taking accusations at their word as being truth without attempts to confirm/backup said claims. That's a concept that seems to be confused as of late.

[lapucelle]

152. WJC addressed this story both in 2016 when Fox carried it,

and last summer when it was resurrected after Epstein's suicide.

Fox News' own 2015 FOIA request for information from the secret service came up short, and they were forced to admit

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

[Sapient Donkey]

159. Knowing how these things usually play out

I suspect the next line was "Well, he's powerful and probably got them to lie about it and/or delete the records." There are people who absolutely want this to be true (both from the right and left), and even if there was undeniable exculpating evidence, they will still find something else to latch on to. It's goes the other way too. There could be absolute proof he is guilty of being a super creep, and some will still deny it.

I just hope the Clintons never ordered furniture from Wayfair....

[oasis]

182. Bill doesn't need to do a thing to ease the "concerns" of anyone.

There will always be those who continue to crank out negative gossip in an attempt to bring down the Clintons.

Both Bill and Hill have decades sterling service to the American public. "Grocery checkout stand" level journalists will never erase the valuable contributions of the two.

[Demsrule86]

190. There is nothing to disclose from what I can see...Faux tried to find anything on this

in 16 and found nothing. Support Democrats. This is Democratic Underground.

[Dopers_Greed]

9. And Biden probably sinks 10 points with this news

[ancianita]

13. Why? Given the catastrophe of this nation, I don't see it.

[Dopers_Greed]

31. I was being sarcastic

Any hint of bad news for Dems, and their numbers plummet.

Trump is literally killing people, but his polling numbers are ticking up somehow.

[oldsoftie]

46. UP? I havent seen any polls showing trump rising. nt

[ancianita]

71. I see. Well, maybe use the sarcasm emoticon, then? Just sayin'.

[lagomorph777]

91. What? Sarcasm again? Trump is plummeting like a stone.

[DownriverDem]

29. No way

Biden had nothing to do with it.

[Boomer]

30. What does this have to do with Biden?

Biden was Obama's VP, not Clinton's.

[LakeArenal]

53. Man, that name and those words should not be anywhere near this thread. WTF?

[Bengus81]

70. ROFLOL....no

[marble falls]

76. Why? Whatever the Big Dog is accused of, it'll be nothing compared to Mushroomdick's list ...

I'm willing to wait for the trial. I'll be glad when Trump's victims get a chance at justice, too.

I'd think Bill Clinton's Secret Service records will establish his innocence PDQ.

[delisen]

12. This is how we end up with election year Pizzagate myths.Best to follow facts.

[keithbvadu2]

14. Eric started a meme that Bill was seen in the same bldg as Maxwell.

Eric started a meme that Bill was seen in the same bldg as Maxwell.

He deleted it when many pictures showed up with his daddy and Maxwell.

https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+trump+maxwell&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

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[George II]

18. I like that one - more photos of him with Maxwell than with Barron.

[lagomorph777]

93. Even weirder, I've never seen a picture of Trump with John Barron.

[tekriter]

15. As much as I like Bill, and supported him through it all,

I’m fully prepared for whatever is proven true in this matter. Even Hillary said years ago that “he’s a hard dog to keep on the porch” to paraphrase.

It would be disappointing for sure, but he has a past that can’t be denied.

[George II]

20. As far as we know, and Lord knows they've tried, he has done NOTHING since he was with....

....Monica Lewinsky in the early 1990s, more than TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

But I agree, I'm fully prepared for whatever is proven TRUE, and I'm confident (but may be wrong) that, to quote Clinton himself, "there's nothing there there."

[rb15]

33. When did Hillary say this? I doubt she did

Where's the link? site your source please. What an awful way to talk about a person's personal life.

[tekriter]

54. Seriously?

Google it. You’ll get a few hundred references.

[oldsoftie]

56. She apparently said it in an interview years ago. Several stories allude to the comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/02/clinton.usa

[JudyM]

106. Disturbing... She suggests he has emotional scars that compel him to have affairs?! "Addiction."

How do men get women to believe this crap? Oh, a psychologist was in his corner, right. Hard to believe she said this.

[lapucelle]

186. Why is that disturbing?

What's hard to believe are instances when those outside a relationship feel entitled to make judgemental pronouncements about what those who are in the relationship should think or feel.

[Cosmocat]

47. YEP

nm

[hamsterjill]

125. I'm also interested in what is proven to be true.

If Big Dawg abused underage girls, then he’s to be held accountable. But somehow, I just can’t see it.

Has he played around? I think we all know the answer to that. But I don’t see him having some fetish for underage girls. If nothing else, I think he is too smart for that.

[IronLionZion]

16. Disappointed in Newsweek's insinuations here

Trying to get people to make assumptions and jump to conclusions. This is tabloid stuff, not journalism.

[ffr]

23. +1

Will only serve to help tRump.

[George II]

95. Interesting that there's no mention of Dershowitz and passing mention of trump in that article.

[sheshe2]

154. Newsweek lost me about twelve years ago.

Stir the shit RW bull.

[Under The Radar]

22. Don't put too much effort into defending Bill,

...but since misery like company, Trump was a frequent customer too. Chances are that there are many more powerful men that indulged in Epstein’s services but may not be named because they weren’t recognizable to the young girls because they weren’t as high profiles as Clinton, Trump or the Prince and many were too smart to have photos taken of them with the young girls.
The world is a very cruel place and sexual transgressions have been the weakness of many otherwise honorable men since the beginning of time.

[Greg K]

24. Clinton has said that he's never even been to the island...

If some evidence showed up that corroborated that he was in fact on the island at some point, his denial would look very bad.

OTOH, if this claim by Guiffre is all there is, it's pretty much gossip. There's nothing even suggesting these girls were underage.

[Cosmocat]

49. There is at least one other person who has said he was there

a few times.

[lapucelle]

173. Who? N/T

[lapucelle]

192. IT Guy from Neflix didn't say "a few times".

Here's what IT Guy from Netflix actually did say according to a right-wing source linked to up thread:

"You tell yourself that you didn't know for sure and you never really saw anything, but that's all just rationalization."

It never occurred to the hard-hitting journalists at the right wing source and the folks at Netflix to ask IT Guy about the missing secret service detail.

There were no other guests around at the time, [IT Guy] claims.

******************************************************************************************************

Here's what James Patterson (who wrote the book that the Netflix docuseries is based on) had to say about both Bill Clinton and IT Guy in a Rolling Stone interview:

RS: Did you ever speak to Bill Clinton directly about Epstein?

JP: Sure.

RS: What did he say?

JP: He knew him, he didn’t consider him to be a friend. I mean, you’re running a foundation. You’re doing a lot of good things, and somebody says, “we can get you a plane,” for example, the plane that went to Africa that Epstein supplied on at least one of the trips. And that’s when Clinton and Bush were working on trying to help the situation with AIDS in Africa. Nobody does like, oh, let’s do a pleasure trip and have a fun time, we’re all gonna go to Africa, you know. Even there, when you get into this thing about there were 20 trips [Fox News has reported that Clinton flew 26 times on Epstein’s private plane], whatever the hell. It was more that there was one trip to Africa and there were, like, ten stops on that one trip.

and

RS: The series heavily implies that Clinton is lying at least about the fact that he visited him on Little St. James.

JP: Well what does that mean, heavily implied? They interviewed one person who, I don’t know what to make of him. We uncovered nothing on Clinton. And had there been anything, I would’ve put it in the book. I don’t know what to make of that one fellow. [Patterson is referring to a former Epstein employee and IT worker on the island, who alleges he saw Clinton there; Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein accuser, also reports having seen him on the island.] I don’t know what to make of what he had to say.

I do know that my experience is that Clinton has never traveled without Secret Service. If it is accurate, then it should be in the Secret Service logs.

*****************************************************************************************************

Even Fox, which was trying to shill the story back in 2016, had to admit defeat after their FOIA requests returned plane logs and secret service records that contradicted the allegation.

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane.

and

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

******************************************************************************************************

Who benefits from resurrecting a distracting and divisive tale that was debunked four years ago?

[Miguelito Loveless]

81. Clinton also said he never had sex with Monica Lewinsky

Are we going back to playing that semantics game?

[Under The Radar]

89. Correct! It is a mistake to defend him

[Greg K]

97. It is also a mistake to convict him absent any hard evidence.

[Under The Radar]

98. I agree. There are many more involved some that will shock us and some not so much.

Yet the entire group of Epstein’s rich and powerful customers have influence over the entire justice system. I suspect that there will be many more “suicides” than there will be convictions. Remember the DC Madam?

[Miguelito Loveless]

100. Clinton, while a competent president

was a creep. Sorry, I am sure that will upset some folks, but it is true. He may not have been as big a creep as W., or Trump, but still a creep none the less. If the Lewinsky scandal happened today, he would not have survived the scandal.

Also, for someone who was supposedly a savvy politician, he didn't have the sense to not hang around creeps like Epstein and Trump.

[Under The Radar]

105. For a man of such gifts as Clinton, his addiction to sex is undisputed

...and the many women accusers pale in comparison to actual “conquest”. Women were drawn to him and he was accommodating to all of them.

[Miguelito Loveless]

112. Are we mitigating his unethical behavior

and adultery by saying that because some of the women engaged in consensual sex with him, it wasn't all that bad? Are we going to overlook the difference in power dynamic?

Certainly, people's sex lives are their own business, but cheating on your wife is cheating on your wife. Also, how many women who might have had unwanted advances from him, taken one look at what happened to Lewinsky and took a pass on going public?

Now we learn that his sexual appetite might have been even more unsavory, and we have folk coming out to defend him and possibly begin victim blaming. I am willing to afford him the benefit of a doubt about his conduct vis-a-vis teenage girls, but not the fact that he FREQUENTLY hung out with Epstein. He flew on the mans plane how often? How many times do you have to see a 40-something man in the company of teenage girls not his daughter before you ask questions?

[Under The Radar]

130. No we are not. He should own his shame and the best speech writer

...in the country can’t write an apology that could give his victims peace. Especially a man that has a daughter and now a grand daughter that I wonder if he would be protective of in the event that they may be abused. Even the consensual sex with younger women should give him pause and I certainly don’t condone any of his actions. But I am a realist and see the truth in matters of people with power and privilege. Clinton is singled out and public ally scrutinized because of his position in society, and he deserves it, but he will also likely not face any criminal charges because of that same position in society, and I don’t like it any more than you do.

[Greg K]

131. He took 6 trips on Epstein's plane, 26 flights total because some of the trips had multiple stops.

No evidence that he went to Little St. James Island.


Feb. 9, 2002 — Clinton hopped a flight from Miami to Westchester, New York, where he lives.
March 19, 2002 — Clinton was listed as flying from New York to London and then returning two days later.
May 22, 2002 — Clinton flew from Japan to Hong Kong. The next day he flew to Singapore (by way of Shenzhen, China), where he gave a speech. On May 25, he left for Brunei, by way of Bangkok.
July 13, 2002 — He attended a wedding in Morocco and then hopped a flight to New York, stopping in the Azores.
Sept. 21, 2002 — Clinton left for a nine-day trip to Africa with actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, visiting Ghana, Nigeria, Rwanda, Mozambique and South Africa. While there, he worked on HIV and AIDS prevention projects, democratization, and economic development. He finished the trip in England, where he addressed the Labour Party during its annual conference. In a 2002 profile of Epstein, Clinton is quoted as saying through a spokesman, “Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science. I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.” According to the flight records, this was the longest trip Clinton took on Epstein’s plane, and it accounted for 11 of the 26 total flights.
Nov. 4, 2003 — About a year after the Africa trip, Clinton took what appears to be his last trip on Epstein’s plane. He flew from Brussels to Oslo, where he had a two-day visit with officials to work on his project to prevent HIV and AIDS in developing countries. He then flew to Hong Kong, by way of Siberia, and finished the trip in Beijing.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/the-epstein-connections-fueling-conspiracy-theories/

[pnwmom]

166. Thank you, Greg K. n/t

[MrsCheaplaugh]

136. / This, very much.

[radius777]

179. Epstein and Trump were establishment donor class types back then,

thus it was normal for all types of political, business, entertainment etc figures to associate with them.

[pnwmom]

165. And yet not a single woman accusing Clinton was underage at the time

and no one associated with Epstein has said Clinton molested, assaulted, or was sexually involved with her.

[radius777]

177. Bill was a player, who liked consensual sex with women, not a creep.

He had affairs like alot of politicians do but there was nothing to suggest he ever did anything illegal, despite years and years of investigations. He did get impeached over lying about a blowjob.

Also Bill's pattern strongly suggests that he liked adult women with big hair and big curves - not underaged kids.

To the extent he was partying with Epstein's crowd - it wouldn't shock me that Bill could've hooked up with adult women - who also were in that circle, not just the 'lolitas'.

[betsuni]

180. +1

[hadEnuf]

32. But of course Bill Clinton was there with 2 young girls. I'm suprised people aren't saying it was 10

Just give it time I guess.

If it's a sex scandal Bill Clinton is always there, right?

[stillcool]

36. trying to take the heat off Alan?

unfortunately they're about 20 years too late....but then I'm not sure about the rules for both-sider-ism. Does it matter if people are relevant?

[George II]

41. Exactly. Funny no one has mentioned him in LBN.

[niyad]

39. I remember reading the last time there were stories about his supposed numerous trips to the island,

that he does not go anywhere without his security detail.

[ucrdem]

40. Bill Clinton has been out of office for 20 years

None of the Clintons currently hold public office or are running in any election that I'm aware of. So this is vanishingly small potatoes, about as important as Weiner's weiner and other forgotten embarrassments.

[sheshe2]

155. Yet here it is.

LATEST BREAKING NEWS

[SledDriver]

52. "...child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein"

Not "socialite" or "financier" or some other euphemism. Good to see him called what he really is/was.

Could even add "and close, personal friend of impeached president Donald Trump".

[Devil Child]

62. That last sentence of your post needs to be shouted at every opportunity

But, I am also happy to see Epstein labeled correctly by the media.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

58. They way some people react to this information is fascinating to me.

[Talitha]

61. Is "Epstein's Island" the one where that big fire was, or did he have more than one island?

Can't recall if it was before or after his -ahem- suicide but there was talk of evidence being destroyed or something.

And I wonder if Virginia Giuffre was paid to say what she did, or if she was forced to because she 'owed someone favors'.

As regards Clinton, time will tell if there's anything behind Guiffre's comments.... cherry-picked words can be taken out of context, as we all know.

[Greybnk48]

64. Of course we hear about a Democrat first before the scores of Repuke

names are revealed. Is this some sort of media formula in reporting political scandals? This happens every effing time and everyone obsesses about the Democrat and then the Repukes are secondary. Goddammit Bill!

Not defending teen rape. I love Bill Clinton, but I'm also sick of his escapades.

[Mr. Ected]

65. In the end, this isn't about Republican and Democrat

Let the facts be known, and let justice prevail.

[Devil Child]

66. Agreed, flip every rock and expose those lurking beneath n/t

[Miguelito Loveless]

73. Why would it not be true?

Because it's Bill Clinton?

[Cicada]

80. I have long thought Virginia is a liar

There are many problems with her accounts, which have changed over time

People have been upset with me because I have always said I don’t believe her charges against Dershowitz. I went to law school. I read a thousand ways people were caught committing crimes. As a result I just naturally know that there might be cameras or devices listening Pretty much everywhere. In a business meeting in a high rise I just assume someone might have aimed a laser at the window to listen in, for business advantage reasons, for instance. So I absolutely do not believe Dershowitz would have had sex with a child in an Epstein property. The odds are absurdly small anyway but he certainly would have known he was at grave risk of life in jail. It just didn’t happen, I will give ten to one odds happily.

I have always suspected her. And it is very rare that I have suspicions about sex accusers. But Virginia? I have always gotten liar vibes from her.

[oldsoftie]

84. What about the other girls who have given testimony? Dont believe them either?

[Cicada]

87. No I do believe them, in general.

No other girl has said Bill Clinton was ever on the Island. No other girl ever said Dershowitz had sex with anyone.

[Squinch]

104. The island's IT guy said he saw Clinton on the island. You can watch him say it in the

Netflix documentary.

That doesn't mean Clinton did anything on the island, but it is another witness saying he was on the island.

[Cicada]

109. The source for the report an IT guy seeing Clinton was an infowars outlet

Summit News, right? Summit News has reported many obviously insane false things. Many people would have known Clinton was there. The staff must be at least several. Has anyone of them confirmed it? I am slow to believe reports coming from infowars.

[Squinch]

117. No. As I said, it was the guy himself who reported it on camera in the Netflix documentary.

[Cicada]

121. Odd it wasn't on flight logs Either coming or going which seemed detailed.

And odd none of the others working there confirmed it.

[Squinch]

122. So your first objection was that there were no reports corroborating the woman's

report that he was on the island. Except there were.

Your next objection was that the source of the corroboration was untrustworthy hearsay. Except that it wasn't. It was the guy himself, on camera, in a legitimate documentary.

Now you are objecting that,though there are corroborating reports that he was on the island, there are no flight logs or other corroborations that you know of.

OK.

For myself, if there is proof that Clinton did something wrong, he should be prosecuted. But so far there is no proof he did anything worng.

There are two independent reports that he was on the island, and I found the IT guy very plausible. So I do believe he was on the island. That doesn't mean he did anything wrong or knew of the wrongdoing.

YMMV.

[catsudon]

124. i see where you are going with this one,

the next goal post would be, the flight logs are faked ...


but yes, as with you, there is no proof he did anything wrong. he isn't running and will not affect the election.



Biden is not friends with Jeff.

[Squinch]

126. Yep. My man Joe is the 2020 Presidential candidate who wasn't friends with the extortionist

pedophile and rapist.

Donny Bodybags is the 2020 Presidential candidate who WAS friends with the extortionist pedophile and rapist.

[Joinfortmill]

85. This is new information

The female pilot of the plane has said previously that she never saw Clinton with a girl. So, if Virginia is lying, she's screwed; if she's not, he may well be screwed.

[DBoon]

86. maybe they meant "young gulls" instead

perhaps he crossed sedate lions to do so

[LakeArenal]

88. Wow. Can't believe how many people here want to digest this as fact.

Just like Al being accused. Nothing really there (yet). But man, this INFORMATION to them.

[Cicada]

90. All the flight logs show Clinton going other places, not the island

There are something like 26 times Clinton was on Epstein’s plane. Epstein lent the plane to the Clinton Foundation for trips mainly to health conferences in Hong Kong, Singapore, Paris etc. I saw photocopies of every flight log, all listed point of departure and point of destination. Every single city was a major city. No small cities. No island. She’s lying.

[miyazaki]

128. 26 times? Wtf. Epstein's plane was a porno island in the sky.

[Greg K]

132. 6 trips, 26 flights total as some trips had multiple stops.

Feb. 9, 2002 — Clinton hopped a flight from Miami to Westchester, New York, where he lives.
March 19, 2002 — Clinton was listed as flying from New York to London and then returning two days later.
May 22, 2002 — Clinton flew from Japan to Hong Kong. The next day he flew to Singapore (by way of Shenzhen, China), where he gave a speech. On May 25, he left for Brunei, by way of Bangkok.
July 13, 2002 — He attended a wedding in Morocco and then hopped a flight to New York, stopping in the Azores.
Sept. 21, 2002 — Clinton left for a nine-day trip to Africa with actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, visiting Ghana, Nigeria, Rwanda, Mozambique and South Africa. While there, he worked on HIV and AIDS prevention projects, democratization, and economic development. He finished the trip in England, where he addressed the Labour Party during its annual conference. In a 2002 profile of Epstein, Clinton is quoted as saying through a spokesman, “Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science. I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.” According to the flight records, this was the longest trip Clinton took on Epstein’s plane, and it accounted for 11 of the 26 total flights.
Nov. 4, 2003 — About a year after the Africa trip, Clinton took what appears to be his last trip on Epstein’s plane. He flew from Brussels to Oslo, where he had a two-day visit with officials to work on his project to prevent HIV and AIDS in developing countries. He then flew to Hong Kong, by way of Siberia, and finished the trip in Beijing.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/the-epstein-connections-fueling-conspiracy-theories/

[lapucelle]

151. Clinton was loaned the plane to make trips to Africa & Asia connected to Clinton Foundation events.

He traveled with a large contingent. Several countries on each continent were visited. Fox creatively counted each leg of the journey from country to country as a "flight", allowing them to come up with the number "26".

Much of this was flogged by Fox in 2016 and reguritated last summer by the media in general when Epstein killed himself.

[pnwmom]

163. Six flights with multiple legs -- and his Secret Service agents were there, too. n/t

[Vinca]

92. I don't care who is involved or what their political affiliation.

If they were involved in this nightmare they need to be held accountable.

[Paladin]

94. Stow the Clinton trashing until we get trump out of office.

How about, just for once, we don't swallow yet another trump diversionary move, hook line and sinker? Nothing is more important than ridding this nation of trump. Nothing.

[Greybnk48]

113. This ! n/t

[brush]

140. Exactly. trump is the elephant in the room and they focus on Clinton?

The glaring question is whether trump had sex with any of the young girls Epstein was trafficking?

[chowder66]

99. The title should say Bill Clinton allegedly went to......

This seems like sensationalism to me on the part of Newsweek.


MANHATTAN (CN) – She told the lawyers about flying in a helicopter with Bill, and how Jeffrey Epstein boasted about his friendship with Donald.

Asked by an attorney to identify whether any of the Churcher statements were inaccurate, Giuffre put check marks next to about a dozen bombshells, clarifying details such as who saw President Bill Clinton get into a “huge black helicopter” with accused Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.

“I said to Sharon that Ghislaine told me that she flew Bill in the heli- —the black helicopter that Jeffrey bought her, and I just wanted to clarify that I didn’t actually see her do that,” Giuffre said, referring to a trip she took to the Caribbean with Epstein when she was 17 years old. “I heard from Ghislaine that she did that.”

......and that Clinton had Secret Service with him on such trips.

“I didn’t physically see him have sex with any of the girls, so I can’t say who he had sex with in his whole life or not, but I just know it wasn’t with me when I was with other girls,” Giuffre said.

https://www.courthousenews.com/clinton-trump-emerge-in-uns

[Sugarcoated]

107. You know who wasn't friends with Epstein and Maxwell?

Joe Biden.

[Devil Child]

108. Sounds like a good campaign ad n/t

[Sugarcoated]

119. I've thought that, too

[LeftInTX]

110. I believe neither Clinton or Trump did anything with underage

girls.

Clinton is just too smart.
Trump is savvy enough too.

Did they know about underage girls? Trump would probably just "looked the other way".."avoid the room"

If Clinton knew about underage girls, he should have avoided the entire scene because he was former POTUS. Unfortunately we have to hold him to a higher standard.

[Sugarcoated]

118. I disagree on both of those defenses

If Clinton was "too smart" he wouldn't have dallied with Lewinsky. He handed Republicans a scandal. He wasn't thinkin with his brain, if you catch my drift.

Obviously crooked Donnie isn't as savvy as you say in regards to the mountain of sexual assaults, rapes and vile things he's said and admitted to.

[Squinch]

123. If something is disgustingly evil and wrong, and Trump had the opportunity to do it, I believe he

did it.

Doesn't matter what it is.

[sheshe2]

195. I will respond to the Trump part of your post.

LeftInTX

110. I believe neither Clinton or Trump did anything with underage

girls.

He, trump, allowed his own daughter (15) perform lap dances. Their are pictures as one man looks on appalled.

Did they know about underage girls? Trump would probably just "looked the other way".."avoid the room"

Fuck trump.

Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants

Donald Trump used to “stroll right in” to the dressing room of beauty pageants while the contestants - some of whom were teenagers - were naked or half-dressed, a former model has claimed.

Tasha Dixon was 18 when she competed in the Miss USA pageant, winning the state crown.

“Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis,” Ms Dixon told CBS.

“He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

[denem]

114. Let the chips fall where they may,

on hard facts, not speculation

[ucrdem]

120. If it was during his term the (new extended) statute of limitations is about to kick in.

If it was after, it's up to his victim to bring charges, if there is one. But Bill is an attorney and I very seriously doubt that he would ever, ever consort with underage girls.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/09/19/rape-statute-limitations-new-york/2373481001/

[LeftInTX]

127. I agree

[Johnny2X2X]

129. Clinton was never there

This is an old story that Clinton already denied and the secret service backs him up.

[oldsoftie]

133. I cant find any stories where the SS says Bill was never there.

[lapucelle]

150. Fox News report in 2016.

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

[oldsoftie]

161. "no agents were ever on the island". It doesnt say HE was never there.

Not normal, but agents arent ALWAYS with ex presidents. Carter even gave his up

[lapucelle]

162. A former president may waive his right to protection. Clinton hasn't.

In 1984, another law allowed former presidents and their dependents to decline Secret Service protection if they wished, which Richard Nixon did in 1985, 11 years after he left office. But current records indicate that the Carters, the Clintons and the two Bush families are availing themselves of the perk.

https://www.bnd.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/answer-man/article101538627.html

There is a procedure through which a former president can request permission to temporarily dismiss his secret service detail for a specific event or trip. It's rare and because it involves paperwork, there would be a paper trail.

[Greg K]

191. Indeed, I can't imagine that a former President could just "ditch" SS protection without

it setting off all sorts of alarms. Makes sense that there's a process that would be followed and documented.

[enid602]

137. Clinton

A quick check of Secret Service logs should clear up any involvement on behalf of Bill Clinton. I don't think he's been out of their sights for almost 30 years.

[Raine]

142. If Bill Clinton is involved in this

I can't defend him anymore then I'd defend Trump, wrong is wrong. Just because I voted for him doesn't make it something I could defend him against.

[betsuni]

144. Bill loves women.

Those rapists hate women, that's the thrill.

[radius777]

178. Exactly. Bill was a rock star that women liked,

and in most (if not) all of the cases we know about he was the one pursued by them.

[John1956PA]

145. Clinton impersonator?

Epstein might have used his helicopter to ferry in a Clinton doppelganger as a gag.

[lapucelle]

149. This "breaking news" was debunked in a May 2016 report.

Fox News tried very hard to make something of of Guiffre's claims in 2015. Because he is an ex-president, Bill Clinton always travels with secret service.

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

[sheshe2]

156. Breaking news is now four years old?

Yikes.

[lapucelle]

158. Newsweek resurrected an old headline concerning allegations that have been public knowledge

for years and that were debunked in 2016 when HRC was running for president.

Cui bono?

[sheshe2]

160. We know who it benefits.

Why is it posted here?

[JI7]

157. Plus the timeline would mean this happened either while Clinton was president

or about a year or 2 after. When everyone would easily know him and it would be news immediately where he was.

Even now he is easily recognizable but at that time Hillary was senator so they would be even more in public eye .

It's too bad people are easily led around by things like this which once you get into details don't hold up. Same happened with the Reide accusations agsinst Biden. And the other one where he wasn't even at the event.

[ElementaryPenguin]

198. HOW MANY GIRLS DID TRUMP GO THERE WITH????

We don't need to hear about Clinton right now.