White House: Trump not suggesting voters 'do anything unlawful' in comments on voting twice

[sabra]

Source: The Hill

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In an interview on Fox News, McEnany said that Trump was telling voters to “verify” that their mailed ballot is counted in the upcoming November election when he made the remarks during a trip to North Carolina on Wednesday.

“The president is not suggesting anyone do anything unlawful. What he said very clearly there is make sure your vote is tabulated and if it is not, then vote,” McEnany said on Fox.

“Basically, when you get an absentee ballot and you send it in, there are poll books and it is recorded that you have in fact voted. And if you show up at a polling site, they look at the poll book and say your vote has been counted. He wants verification,” McEnany continued.

She went on to accuse Democrats of seeking a “whole new fraudulent system of mail-in voting” by trying to expand access to mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514946-white-house-trump-not-suggesting-voters-do-anything-unlawful-in

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[Roy Rolling]

1. The Biggest Administration Department

The Department of Un-Ringing the bell. Next, “he was joking”.

[brush]

2. The sycophant covers for the orange crook asking voters to commit a felony.

Yeah, sure, McEnany, we believe your bullshit story .

[FightingIrish]

3. The state of Washington and Oregon, where I used to live, make it very east to confirm

online that your ballot has been received and accepted. Going to a polling place to confirm the status of your vote defeats the purpose of mail-in voting and will only add to the delays and confusion at polling places. Trump is calling for voters to break the law because he doesn't want our system to work.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. Here in PA, where we started this for the first time this past primary season

There was not only a way to confirm status online, but the state's system would also send out auto-generated email messages to indicate the statuses -

1.) The ballot application had been received by the state

Dear BumRushDaShow,

Thank you for submitting your ballot application online. The Philadelphia County Election Office received your application on Apr 15, 2020 at 9:47:55 AM.

Your Name: BUMRUSHDASHOW

Street Address: IN DA HOUSE IN DA HOOD

County: Philadelphia

Your application number is: 123456

Your application is not complete until processed and accepted by your county election office. When your application is processed, you will receive an email status update.

If you have questions about your ballot application, please contact Philadelphia County at [phone].

Thank you

****Please do not reply to this email.****

2.) When the County (city) Board of Elections received and processed it (in my case, I got the email notification 6 days after I got the notification in #1)

Dear BUMRUSHDASHOW,

The PHILADELPHIA County Election Office has processed your ballot application on 04/15/2020.

Your application status is: Approved.

If your application was approved, you will receive an email when your balloting materials are mailed.

If you have questions about your ballot application, please contact PHILADELPHIA County at [phone].

Thank you

****Please do not reply to this email.****

3.) Notification of ballot being readied to mail (email notification received 4 weeks after #2)

Dear BUMRUSHDASHOW,

Your ballot is almost ready, and it's being prepared for mailing. If you do not receive your ballot in the next 5-7 days, please contact your county election office.

If you have questions concerning your ballot, please contact PHILADELPHIA County at [phone].

Thank you

****Please do not reply to this email.****

4.) Notification that the completed ballot had been received (5 days after the #3 notification and after I had completed it and mailed it back)

Dear BUMRUSHDASHOW

Your ballot has been received by PHILADELPHIA County on 05/15/2020.

Your ballot status has been updated to reflect your official ballot has been received timely and recorded.

Please note: You are no longer permitted to vote at your polling place location now that you have returned your ballot timely.

If you have questions about your ballot, please contact PHILADELPHIA County at [phone].

Thank you

****Please do not reply to this email.****

The above was for what became the "delayed until June 2nd" PA primary.

The one BIG issue that seemed to screw people was not "following directions". I.e., there are instructions about the 2 envelopes that are included. One envelope is for the ballot itself (to make it "secret" ) and the other envelope becomes the "outer" postage-paid envelope that will contain the ballot envelope, and has the address where the ballot would be sent. It also has a section on the back that needs to be completed AND SIGNED (for "signature verification" that would normally be done if voting "in person" anyway).

If these steps (putting the ballot in the "secret" envelope and/or completing the requested info on the outer envelope, including a signature) weren't followed, there was a good chance the ballot would be thrown out.

The local Chair of the Philly Board of Elections has been pushing to waive the requirement for that "internal" envelope to help speed up the process of counting but IMHO, we don't need anything that would generate manufactured outrage about security and secrecy of an incoming ballot.

The city did get gifted a $10,000,000 grant to use just for this election, which would allow for the purchase of more and faster counting machines and more PPE for workers, additional "satellite" offices for voter/ballot registration to include additional drop boxes, as well as helping to fund the ability to open up about as many polling locations as we would normally have had before the pandemic (more than 800 to cover 1692 voting divisions).

[Maeve]

19. This is also true in Ohio re: email confirmation

People should check for a "track your ballot" option in their own state. PITA if people come in and clog the lines.

[EarlG]

4. Uh, bullshit

Here's the quote, broken down:

"They will vote and then they are going to have to check their vote by going to the poll and voting that way"

He's clearly saying voters will have to check their mailed-in vote by going to the poll and voting again.

"because if it tabulates then they won’t be able to do that. So, let them send it in, and let them go vote. And if the system is as good as they say it is, then they obviously won’t be able to vote."

He's saying vote twice, and if the system is working properly your double vote will be prevented. He's leaving out the part where if you try this, you could be arrested.

"If it isn’t tabulated, they will be able to vote."

If your double vote ISN'T prevented, then it will count. In other words, if you commit a crime and get away with it, no harm no foul.

"So that’s the way it is, and that’s what they should do."

Finishes by explicitly stating that this is what people should do.

[2naSalit]

9. +1

He's encouraging illegal voter fraud, aka ratfucking.

[Harker]

13. He's also going to cause poll workers to

be painstakingly methodical and waste time with his zombies.

Long, slow lines are discouraging to voters.

He's trying every angle to send the election into chaos.

[not_the_one]

24. The lists won't be accurate. Why not drop your mail in ballot in the mail, and immediately go vote?

Really easy to get around that one. The lists may (will PROBABLY) be out of date by DAYS.

[William Seger]

20. But that's just "what he said very clearly" in the real world

Maganinny is talking to people who live elsewhere.

[mucifer]

5. I have a fear the repubs will find a way to count the deplorable votes twice

[durablend]

16. "It's not he who votes but he who COUNTS the votes"

[moose65]

18. NC has a great election system

Our Secretary of State, who oversees elections, is a Democrat and she has been in office a long time.

Our governor is also now a Democrat (after 4 years of McCrory) and the governor has a lot of power over how elections are run.

Do these people just think that anyone can print off multiple ballots and just send them in? Or that somehow the mail-in ballots aren't verified in some way?

During the primary in my little town in the northwest corner of NC, someone came in to vote and they were accidentally given two ballots that were stuck together. When the ballots went into the box and were counted, the error was discovered and the extra blank ballot removed. Election officials know their shit.

[Laelth]

6. Blatant Bullshite!

Trump, very definitely, encouraged people to break the law when he suggested that they should vote twice—both absentee and in person.

I suppose this was an attempt at a “walk back,” but it doesn’t negate the fact that Trump incited blatant lawbreaking yesterday.

-Laelth

[irisblue]

7. Uh huh suure

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Is that an offer of a Blanket Pardon?

Take these scoundrels literally. Parse every word. They lie like a rug.

[Traildogbob]

10. Anyone temember

Tha black Woman in Texas that voted not realizing a conviction negated her right to vote? Doing prison. So if these N.C. Fools get caught, any chance they see a cell, especially white ones. Remember GOP North Carolina ballot harvesting? Trump loves to send his cult out to commit crimes for his advantage. When the President snd AG in our “Law and Order“ country encourage and incite felony acts for their good, the world sees American democracy. The kind we invade countries to allow them to have the same.

[Gothmog]

11. In 2016, I got a trump supporter arrested for trying to vote twice

I was in the voter protection war room and an election judge called me and asked if trying to vote twice was against the law. A trump supporter insisted that he had the right to vote twice. We had a room full of lawyers and fed the election judge with the provision of the Texas Election Code that made it a crime to vote twice. This idiot was arrested and this arrest made the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/

A man in Texas who voted twice. Phillip Cook was arrested on Election Day after voting twice. He claimed to be an employee of Trump's campaign who was testing the security of the electoral system. He wasn't an employee of the campaign — and the polling location's security worked perfectly well, it seems.

BTW, his second vote was not registered. The mere attempt to vote twice was a crime

[Progressive Jones]

12. Bullshit. Nt.

[beachbumbob]

14. gong into vote again is an intent to committ fraud

[Miguelito Loveless]

17. "You see, your honor, I was NOT robbing the bank...

...I was JUST checking the bank's security."

[Bayard]

21. Wink Wink,

Nudge nudge. Say no more, say no more.

[elleng]

22. No, of course not suggesting voters 'do anything unlawful.'

[greenjar_01]

23. Heard the same explanation from a long-time troll

Fun stuff.

[steve2470]

25. Too late, the felony is already documented on video, you lying POS nt

[Mr.Bill]

26. I have been a precinct inspector in California,

and the people at the polling place have no way of knowing if your ballot has been received or counted. They only know that one was mailed to you.

[KatyaR]

27. So have people who have voted via mail

bog down the in-person voting by standing in line to "verify" their vote was counted? Dog Almighty, these people are criminal....