2 dead, 14 wounded in mass shooting near Rochester Public Market

[mahatmakanejeeves]

Source: Rochester Democrat and Chronicle

2 dead, 14 wounded in mass shooting near Rochester Public Market

Will Cleveland
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle
Published 2:12 a.m. ET Sep. 19, 2020 | Updated 8:13 a.m. ET Sep. 19, 2020

ROCHESTER, NY — Two young adults, a man and a woman, were killed and 14 people wounded early Saturday in the largest Rochester shooting in memory, an act of violence that occurred at a backyard house party with more than 100 people present. ... The shooting occurred on the 200 block of Pennsylvania Avenue, at a residence located in the city's Marketview Heights neighborhood.

The identities of the deceased victims have not been released pending notification of next of kin. Acting Police Chief Mark Simmons said both victims were in their late teens or early 20s.

"This is truly a tragedy of epic proportions, if you ask me," Simmons said at a 3:45 a.m. briefing at the scene. "I mean 16 victims is unheard of, and for our community, who's right now going through so much, to have to be dealt with this tragedy, needlessly, for people who decide to act in a violent manner is unfortunate and shameful, and we're going to do everything that we can as a department to bring those people involved to justice."

None of the wounds suffered by the 14 other shooting victims are believed to be life threatening, the police chief said. All 14 are currently believed to be in stable condition, RPD said in a statement released around 5:30 a.m.

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Read more: https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/09/19/rochester-mass-shooting-near-public-market/5836840002/

[jimfields33]

1. Backyard house party? I swear I'm living in the twilight zone

No pandemic anymore apparently. I do hope the person who did this is locked up. Dang trump supporters. I know I’m guessing but statistically we’ve seen them do this time and time again.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. What makes you think these were Trump supporters? NT

[jimfields33]

3. I was guessing.

If you look at mass shooting in recent times, majority have been trump supporters. I know it’s wrong to assume but I did anyway. We’ll find out soon enough.

[BumRushDaShow]

6. I (sadly) expect it was a black event

The city is 1/2 black.

[Igel]

17. It's also in the crescent.

When I lived there, the crescent was both a band of poverty and a disproportionately black.

[marble falls]

7. If it were Trump supporters, the body count would have been larger.

[spin]

23. Excellent observation. ...

Righties often love their firearms and can shoot them accurately. They use the sights.

[whathehell]

5. Good question..

because sadly, all those ignoring the quarantine rules are not Republicans.

[Laha]

12. Curious

How do you mean 'not republicans'?

Just the constant videos of republican supporters crammed together at rallies without masks or any regard for social distancing suggests otherwise. I know there are plenty of idiots anywhere you go, but the available evidence strongly suggests the people eschewing quarantine restrictions are almost entirely republican supporters. Or stupid kids going to parties, or stupid adults who just want to have their big wedding, or whatever.

Did you mean they aren't people who hold traditional republican values, even if they support the party?

Edited for clarity.

[whathehell]

28. "stupid kids going to parties, or stupid adults who just want to have their big wedding

or whatever".

That's the answer to your question.-- People more inclined to being irresponsible for selfish personal reasons than for political ones.

[Laha]

29. Ah, thank you

I understand now

[whathehell]

30. You're welcome.

[Kingofalldems]

10. Oh I get your sarcasm.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. "backyard house party"

My temperature down here in Philly dropped to 44 early this morning and I'm about 350 miles south of there, and there had to have been frost advisories and/or freeze warnings up in that part of NY overnight... although since they are right along the lake, that may have moderated it a bit. Still... even 40s is "cold" for a "backyard" party.

Same age group. Someone is pumping guns in our urban areas and one little spark of an argument and out they come.

[PatSeg]

8. Yes, it does seem awfully chilly

for a backyard party, though I suppose with that many people, they may have relied on body heat. Sometimes, people use outdoor heaters for such parties, but still sounds rather uncomfortable.

[DarthDem]

9. You're Not Wrong -

It was in the low 50s at the airport.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/ny/rochester/KROC/date/2020-9-18

[Hstch05]

14. Not in WNY

40s and 50s are shorts weather in Western New York.
I used to live in Rochester, and I'm mourning for the city right now. This is horrible.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I see people around here in Philly that go with t-shirts or tank tops, shorts, and sandals

when its in the 40s and I personally think they have lost their minds, but that's just me.

[Sancho]

11. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[PatSeg]

13. Yes, commonsense solutions

You say "none of this restricts the type of guns sold". There are some military style weapons and high capacity magazines that should not be legal for civilians. They are not meant for hunting or home protection, they are meant for murder and intimidation.

Other than that, I agree with everything you say.

[appleannie1]

15. The only thing I would add to that is a limit on ammunition in gun.

States have limits on shells for bird or small game hunting and there is no need for massive amounts of bullets in a gun. If you can't hit a target with 3 shots, you should not be armed in the first place until you go back to school.

[EX500rider]

16. If a criminal breaks into my house with a illegal (under your idea) 17 round clip..

...I won't be very happy with only 3 rounds if they start shooting at me.

And you can bullseye all you want at the range, but under a near panic adrenaline rush your aim will be very different.

[eggplant]

18. If you can't aim because of a near panic adrenaline rush...

...you shouldn't be firing a gun at all, regardless of the clip size.

[EX500rider]

19. I see, so just let him shoot me is your plan? No thanks. nt

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

22. Thank you...

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for being here. I see you done quite a bit of posting, so I hope you’ve engaged constructively, and support democratic candidates . I’m not not dismissing how you came to how you feel about this. However I personally can’t go through life thinking some random criminal is going to break into my house and start shooting. What are the chances? I’d think statistics say there are dozens of more common ways one can come to harm. I have some close experience with what seems like thinking like yours, in that my 30 year old son has talked about arming for self defense. So far he has not armed himself for anything other than hunting. He’s an M.D resident who appears to mostly believe that you argue with numbers, not emotions. However he knows somebody that “this” happened to, and heard about a person to which “that” happened.

I guess at least I can ask that you do try not to kill anyone when you have your adrenaline fueled gun fights with your high capacity magazine.

[EX500rider]

24. I have a fire extinguisher & a smoke detector I may never need also.

However I have used a gun in self defense twice. Once someone was trying to kick down my front door at 3 am, I showed up with a pistol and he took off, the other time a gf's violent ex-convict ex-bf jumped out of his truck at my work and ran at me with a tire iron, at the time I made large bank deposits in cash for my work and I put my pistol out of my glovebox in my lap, he saw it and changed his mind about beating my skull in.

According to the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, and other reputable sources, in the United States:

One property crime happens every 4 seconds.
One burglary occurs every 20 seconds.
One violent crime occurs every 25 seconds.
One aggravated assault occurs every 45 seconds.
One robbery occurs every 90 seconds.
One rape or attempted rape occurs every 5 minutes.

HOME INVASION CRIME STATISTICS AND FACTS:
According to a United States Department of Justice report:
38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
Over 2,000,000 homes will experience a break-in or burglary this year.
There are over 4,500 home burglaries per day in the United States.
The average number of home invasions per year was 1,030,000 between 1994 and 2010.

[former9thward]

25. Our Presidential candidate may disagree with you

V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it is--I think most scholars would say--is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, "Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there's the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself."

I said, "Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door." Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that's true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, "Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me." No one's arguing we should make machine guns legal.

https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/guns/2013/02/gun-control-joe-biden-interview/

[ripcord]

26. People often forget that they want all these restrictions on a right

You may not agree with that but it is a fact that must be faced.

[TrogL]

27. That's very similar to what we have in Canada

Works fine here

[iluvtennis]

21. Backyard party with 200 people in the middle of a pandemic - how absurd. nt

[MissMillie]

31. My very first thought... "why are people going to parties?"

There is absolutely no indication that the pandemic is under control. None.

Don't people care about their loved-ones?

Since the shut-down in March, I've been out in public maybe 10 times--always masked. Five of those trips out of the house were to buy groceries. One was to bring my primary ballot to a drop-off box. Outdoor dining once, and we were the only people there. A visit to my mother's deathbed (she was testing negative for the virus). An outdoor, socially-distanced birthday party for my dad (with a total of 8 people present--all of whom have shut themselves in and away from people).

We've been invited to gatherings and have turned them down because we don't want to be around people that we don't know--people who may not be behaving carefully.

Yep, 2 people were killed by gun violence. How many deaths is a super-spreader house party going to cause?

Why aren't people staying home?