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PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:38 PM Sep 2020

Postmaster general says postal service can't return mail-sorting machines

Source: The Hill

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said U.S. Postal Service (USPS) mail-sorting machines dismantled earlier this year would not be put back together, according to a report from Bloomberg.

The postmaster general stated that the old machines were stripped for parts to improve or repair other sorting machines.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/news/518107-postmaster-general-says-postal-service-cant-return-mail-sorting-machines



This fits the definition of treason in the US Constitution, because by doing this, Trump and DeJoy are levying war against one or more states.
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Postmaster general says postal service can't return mail-sorting machines (Original Post) PatrickforO Sep 2020 OP
DeJoy has engineered this, trying to get Trump to win sakabatou Sep 2020 #1
So buy some new ones, dickhead. TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #2
I would imagine they are custom built. LiberalArkie Sep 2020 #11
No doubt some are custom installations. So buy some new custom installations. TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #13
I would imagine at some time congress needs to fund new sorters. The pictures I have seen LiberalArkie Sep 2020 #15
Right, but like a lot of things, that should be taken up by congress-- but won't be. TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #16
I'll bet you a dime to a donut the USPS employees will tell you a different story. Frustratedlady Sep 2020 #3
A previous article DENVERPOPS Sep 2020 #17
DeJoy needs to be RETURNED TO SENDER or better yet, CANCELLED Blue Owl Sep 2020 #4
Exactly. nt iluvtennis Sep 2020 #20
POSTAGE DUE. lastlib Sep 2020 #32
Sounds like a totally bullshit story to me! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2020 #5
his minions will be out there supporting his position soon nt msongs Sep 2020 #6
Contempt of court couldn't be more obvious jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #7
WELL i hope the judge at the very least asks for bluestarone Sep 2020 #8
Judge should demand to see the work orders aeromanKC Sep 2020 #9
A Biden AG needs to charge DeJoy with malicious destructionof federal property. Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #10
i can see the Con's pardoning him before the lame duck period is up onetexan Sep 2020 #14
I bet a contempt citation would magically get a bunch of them back on line. marble falls Sep 2020 #12
Get him for perjury. LiberalFighter Sep 2020 #18
Treason. Evolve Dammit Sep 2020 #19
Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it. keithbvadu2 Sep 2020 #21
This isn't as crazy as it sounds DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #23
Then there would still be a cost-benefit analysis. keithbvadu2 Sep 2020 #25
I'm sure there is paperwork and probably budget DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #27
It has gone to court reggaehead Sep 2020 #33
A FOIA went to court? DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #39
It is the timing that stinks, though, isn't it? PatrickforO Sep 2020 #28
Bingo! "...cripple the USPS so it could be privatized as part of the neoliberal agenda, and for scarletwoman Sep 2020 #30
That 2006 law passed both the House and Senate MichMan Sep 2020 #36
Yeah, but this was drafted and signed BEFORE the Dems took over the House and Senate both. PatrickforO Sep 2020 #37
Yes but it passed unanimously by consent MichMan Sep 2020 #41
This is why winning this election and turning this country deep blue PatrickforO Sep 2020 #43
I bet three of us could have one operational by noon tomorrow bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #22
There had better be a serious, deep investigation into this intrepidity Sep 2020 #24
I'll bet the next Postmaster General can figure out how to do it. BlueIdaho Sep 2020 #26
No Joy with Dejoy!!! nwliberalkiwi Sep 2020 #29
Postal service reduction in sorting capacity: area51 Sep 2020 #31
He destroyed public property. He has to reach into his pocket and pay for replacement NCjack Sep 2020 #34
Hopefully when we win we will have to undo what this POS, and the rest of the thugs have done to still_one Sep 2020 #35
It's good he has money. We can sue his socks off. mahina Sep 2020 #38
Which is almost certainly a lie mahina Sep 2020 #40
I'm starting to believe we need... VarryOn Sep 2020 #42
I hope he knows how to operate a lisence plate machine. maxrandb Sep 2020 #44

LiberalArkie

(15,709 posts)
15. I would imagine at some time congress needs to fund new sorters. The pictures I have seen
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:26 PM
Sep 2020

look like they have been hay-wired together for many years.

Not take up for the postmaster, but it is common to retire a piece of equipment to supply the parts for others.

The wireline telephone industry has been going through that for several years after Nortel went belly up. Nortel built probably most of the wireline telephone switches. A lot have been salvaged to supply parts (at a premium) to working switches.

So the same thing might be going on at some of the post offices.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. I'll bet you a dime to a donut the USPS employees will tell you a different story.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:42 PM
Sep 2020

He is as big a liar as Trump. There were over 700 sorters in the end, weren't there?

DENVERPOPS

(8,809 posts)
17. A previous article
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:31 PM
Sep 2020

said workers were re-installing them, but suddenly realized that the optical scanner units had been removed from all of the sorters and intentionally crushed. With out the scanners, the machines were useless, and no new scanner units were available to replace the smashed ones. Someone obviously knew what to do to render the sorter/scanners worthless........

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
8. WELL i hope the judge at the very least asks for
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:54 PM
Sep 2020

FUCKING PROOF!!! If this asshole is lying then stuff it to him!! PERJURY!!!!!

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
9. Judge should demand to see the work orders
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:03 PM
Sep 2020

You know other sorting machines were not worked on with refurbished parts.

Lonestarblue

(9,969 posts)
10. A Biden AG needs to charge DeJoy with malicious destructionof federal property.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:10 PM
Sep 2020

Along with all those new managers he hired who carried out the orders. I see this destruction as no different from violent people breaking the windows of a federal building. Such people get arrested.

keithbvadu2

(36,752 posts)
21. Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:20 PM
Sep 2020

Throwing away mail sorting machines and going back to manual labor.

Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it.

How USPS Sorts Mail

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
23. This isn't as crazy as it sounds
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:34 PM
Sep 2020

Often times gov't equipment is out of production. The only way to fix it is to cannibalize other old or decommissioned equipment. There's never usually money, or enough money, allocated to replace all the equipment with new, so you end up with a mish-mash. I saw that with military aircraft and their spare parts. I don't think the post office is really much different when it comes to managing its equipment.

TBH, I think downsizing sorting equipment has been in the works for awhile what with mail volume falling and package mailing increasing. This wasn't something DeJoy just decided on his own. The bureaucracy just doesn't work that fast.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
27. I'm sure there is paperwork and probably budget
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:53 PM
Sep 2020

submissions backed up with the appropriate analysis. That's just the way the federal funding request process works.

A FOIA to the post office would very likely shake all this information loose. Don't know why no has tried this.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
28. It is the timing that stinks, though, isn't it?
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:00 PM
Sep 2020

There is a difference between doing it two months before a national election that a sitting president is trying to sabotage, and doing it next year after the election is done.

In addition, the postal service would be fine if it wasn't for the 2006 Republican 'Postal Accountability Act.'

Basically that piece of legislation forces the USPS to take $5 billion off the top every year to fund pensions for workers they haven't even hired yet. Or at least that's what the Republicans SAID it was for.

What it was really for is to cripple the USPS so it could be privatized as part of the neoliberal agenda, and for good measure bust one of the most powerful unions still extant.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
30. Bingo! "...cripple the USPS so it could be privatized as part of the neoliberal agenda, and for
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:46 PM
Sep 2020
good measure bust one of the most powerful unions still extant."

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
37. Yeah, but this was drafted and signed BEFORE the Dems took over the House and Senate both.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 12:34 PM
Sep 2020

At the time, we had a Republican White House, a Republican Senate and a Republican House.

MichMan

(11,906 posts)
41. Yes but it passed unanimously by consent
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 03:32 PM
Sep 2020

There wasn't a partisan split in the votes in either chamber

Might have been a bad law in retrospect, but everyone voted in favor at the time. Bush was claimed to veto it without the prefunding portion, but it was still passed by consent. Maybe everyone just wanted to go on vacation and rushed it through, don't know.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Accountability_and_Enhancement_Act

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
43. This is why winning this election and turning this country deep blue
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 10:55 PM
Sep 2020

won't be enough. We have to stay involved and hold these people accountable once we send them to DC.

Seriously. Because I get so tired of being taxed without any representation. What I mean by that is this: Individual taxpayers such as you and me pay $0.86 out of every dollar the US government collects in income taxes. Corporations only pay $0.06. Go back to 1960, and that ratio is more like 45/35. Basically we are totally out of balance fiscally.

Add to this the fact that we have so many special interests and lobbies in Washington, not to mention the military- and prison-industrial complexes, that the Congress tends to pass stuff that doesn't help us at all.

A great example is the new Space Force. However you might feel about the romance and glamor of a space force, I've got to say that healthcare would be much better for me and my family.

Then, when someone has the temerity to try and pass something that will actually benefit us, the right wing noise machine activates and all of a sudden they are a commie socialist that is going to dismantle the suburbs and open the borders.

For once, I want to see the tax money I pay in to this government, which is supposed to be of, by and for the people, to be used for programs that actually make my life better instead of stuff that doesn't help me at all.

This Postal Accountability Act is a classic example. ALEC probably wrote it, or some other right-wing think tank. And they had debate, maybe, and then passed it by acclaim. Now look what we have - a bunch of Republican clowns talking about how the USPS is inefficient and can't manage its cash flow. Then you get crony-traitor DeJoy in there dismantling machines and all of a sudden we have some Republican-caused problems cropping up in battleground states.

Makes you want to puke.

intrepidity

(7,291 posts)
24. There had better be a serious, deep investigation into this
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:36 PM
Sep 2020

We're blue areas disproportionately affected? Even if not, it''s massive ratfuckery.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
26. I'll bet the next Postmaster General can figure out how to do it.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:51 PM
Sep 2020

DeJoy needs to be decommissioned and sold for parts.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
34. He destroyed public property. He has to reach into his pocket and pay for replacement
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 03:15 AM
Sep 2020

machines and damages (e.g., overtime for manual sorting). Our lawyers need to hit him where he hurts -- in his pocket book.

still_one

(92,122 posts)
35. Hopefully when we win we will have to undo what this POS, and the rest of the thugs have done to
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 05:28 AM
Sep 2020

undermine our country


 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
42. I'm starting to believe we need...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 03:45 PM
Sep 2020

To focus on encouraging in-person voting. Sure, mail-in voting should be encouraged for those that need it. I’m just concerned that if our voters fail to receive ballots for whatever reason (nefarious or otherwise), they’ll be too afraid to head to the polls if it’s too late to receive a ballot.

Maybe two weeks out or so, there should be an ad campaign asking “Got your ballot yet? No? Then you need to vote in person.” Someone more creative than me can make that more catchy!

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