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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,900 posts)
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:09 PM Sep 2020

Chris Wallace won't fact check Trump and Biden during the debate

Source: CNN

The presidential debates for the 2020 election kick off Tuesday in Cleveland, and many Americans are uncertain about what to expect. One thing is for sure: Fox News Sunday anchor and moderator Chris Wallace will not be tasked with fact-checking the candidates in real-time.

"We don't expect Chris or our other moderators to be fact checkers," Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr., co-chair, The Commission on Presidential Debates, told CNN's Chief Media Correspondent Brian Stelter on "Reliable Sources" Sunday. "The minute the TV is off there will be plenty of fact checkers."

The topics for Tuesday's debate, selected by Wallace himself, include: Trump and Biden's records, the Supreme Court, Covid-19, the economy, race and violence in our cities, and the integrity of the election.

If one of the candidates says something incorrect onstage Tuesday, it is the other candidate's job to raise concern and essentially fact check live, Fahrenkopf said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-wallace-won-t-fact-check-trump-and-biden-during-the-debate/ar-BB19ttQ4?li=BB141NW3&ocid=DELLDHP

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Chris Wallace won't fact check Trump and Biden during the debate (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 OP
be up to Biden as expected to call out trumps lies everyttime face to face, actually beachbumbob Sep 2020 #1
Then Biden will have to spend a ton of time correcting Trump's lies. Laelth Sep 2020 #2
Nearly All His Time ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #33
It's always been that way. TexasBushwhacker Sep 2020 #39
I've sort of changed my mind on Biden's debate tactics StClone Sep 2020 #3
Guess he'll have to start many sentences with, "The truth is..." soothsayer Sep 2020 #4
I like: "That's the usual Trump lie. The truth is . . . " marybourg Sep 2020 #20
How about, "there you go again?" jaxexpat Sep 2020 #25
I think I'd prefer reasonable, factual Joe to snarky Joe soothsayer Sep 2020 #26
I just put that out there to remind the world of the snarky crap that Reagan did to Carter. jaxexpat Sep 2020 #30
That's the other prob -- I can't unhear Reagan's voice ha soothsayer Sep 2020 #31
Ah, Reagan's an asshole trauma syndrome. RAATS. jaxexpat Sep 2020 #38
pmurT does the Gish Gallop and Shapiro Shuffle, along with 3D Disco. GoneOffShore Sep 2020 #5
Tell Wallace he's in the pocket for Trump. If he objects, tell him: No Fact Checking! nt Xipe Totec Sep 2020 #6
Trump spews lies and fact checks with more lies? What could go wrong? /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #7
so tRump can brag about all the Nobel peace prizes he never received. nt yaesu Sep 2020 #8
No way I am gonna watch that shit then. So each side will believe the "facts" they hear from mucifer Sep 2020 #9
how about lie checkers?.. stillcool Sep 2020 #10
Biden needs to be blunt. Whenever Trump lies, Biden should say, "Another lie from Mr. Trump" Fla Dem Sep 2020 #11
Yes. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #13
"Another lie from Dumb Donny" n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #16
Childish name-calling would be a really dumb strategy. TwilightZone Sep 2020 #34
Of course you're right. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #35
Fact checking is not the job of a debate moderator. We all know that. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #12
Fact-checking has it's limitations. Joe needs to make his own case clear. Raven123 Sep 2020 #14
The stopping in the middle of a sentence and starting a new one is a marybourg Sep 2020 #19
I was a stutterer myself and it takes a lot of work to get around it. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #36
Thanks for the info.. Then just don't stray from the point of the previous sentence. Raven123 Sep 2020 #42
The clock Roy Rolling Sep 2020 #15
Thats disgusting! Mr. Sparkle Sep 2020 #17
Remember when Candy Crowley was criticized for fact checking Romney? Sneederbunk Sep 2020 #18
whatever the question is Trump is just going to rif off his usual script IcyPeas Sep 2020 #21
Chris Cuomo will do real time fact checking on CNN Lasher Sep 2020 #22
If any of the phony reporters from Fox "News" fact-checked a republican Yeehah Sep 2020 #23
WTF is trump TV host Wallace doing as a moderator...who made that asshole a moderator?? Jack-o-Lantern Sep 2020 #24
I understand Biden refuting the lies Bayard Sep 2020 #27
I think Rebl2 Sep 2020 #28
Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr DallasNE Sep 2020 #29
They want to give Trump free reign to spread as many lies as possible to the Republican base many cstanleytech Sep 2020 #32
Well, given how much Trump lies it would require most of the scheduled time andym Sep 2020 #37
Did we expect anyone from 19th Century Fox to fact-check Trump? Joe Bacon Sep 2020 #40
Doesn't really bother me as I have no intention of watching. old guy Sep 2020 #41
He will bloviate, Karma13612 Sep 2020 #43
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
1. be up to Biden as expected to call out trumps lies everyttime face to face, actually
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:10 PM
Sep 2020

will work out better for Biden and democrats as he will sound and look like a leader not taking trumps bullshit

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. Then Biden will have to spend a ton of time correcting Trump's lies.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:12 PM
Sep 2020

I don’t like this development at all.

-Laelth

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
33. Nearly All His Time
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:11 PM
Sep 2020

My suggestion is he start each turn with, "If I spend time telling everyone what was untrue about what my opponent just said, I won't have time to access the question at hand. So,..."
Just use a few seconds to point out that PINO is a liar, then move on.
That way he controls his own parts of the debate.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
3. I've sort of changed my mind on Biden's debate tactics
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

For the most part ignore T-Wrecks lying and just make illustrations to the truths and what Biden has and will do for the good. BUT at times make very well-contrasted and evidentiary accounts of Ts extorting reality for his own gains.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
30. I just put that out there to remind the world of the snarky crap that Reagan did to Carter.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sep 2020

And became a favorite of the media in so doing. Not only NOT fact checking but getting a big surge in notoriety(and ratings) by casually dismissing the crucial points of his opponent with an off hand and inappropriate dismissal of the very sort of details he would miscue and screw up for 8 years. The christening of the USS Dumbing Down with chuckle-headed media accompaniment by the "teflon-for-ever" trio (CBS, NBC, ABC) was done and our national course charted to these dangerous waters.

But I too will hope "Factual Joe" can carry the night. As this time may be the last opportunity to stage-craft our way from the abyss.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
38. Ah, Reagan's an asshole trauma syndrome. RAATS.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:55 PM
Sep 2020

Crippling the psyche of two generations and counting.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
5. pmurT does the Gish Gallop and Shapiro Shuffle, along with 3D Disco.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:18 PM
Sep 2020

Deflect, deny, denigrate.

Tough to keep track of the vacuous crap.


I’m like a rabbit suddenly trapped,
In the blinding headlights of vacuous crap.
....despite my derision,
Keeps firing off clichés with startling precision,
Like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition.

mucifer

(23,525 posts)
9. No way I am gonna watch that shit then. So each side will believe the "facts" they hear from
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:36 PM
Sep 2020

their candidate. Pure bullshit!

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
10. how about lie checkers?..
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:38 PM
Sep 2020

it's up to the American people to figure out what a lie is and what is the truth, because 'the minute the tv is off there will be plenty of fact checkers'.. where? What a joke.

Fla Dem

(23,649 posts)
11. Biden needs to be blunt. Whenever Trump lies, Biden should say, "Another lie from Mr. Trump"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:40 PM
Sep 2020

"The truth is" and respond with his position on the subject. Or he could say"There he goes again, another lie."

TwilightZone

(25,457 posts)
34. Childish name-calling would be a really dumb strategy.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:00 PM
Sep 2020

The idea is to demonstrate the difference, not meet Trump in fifth grade.

Raven123

(4,828 posts)
14. Fact-checking has it's limitations. Joe needs to make his own case clear.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:00 PM
Sep 2020

Fact-checking Trump is a full-time job. Wallace knows it’s a waste of time and would feed into Trump’s desire for distraction, disruption and feed his whining about the unfair media. People are pretty tuned into the election this year. Joe just needs to be calm, and avoid his own tendency to stop in the middle of sentences to start new ones. Be clear, concise, and take no prisoners.

marybourg

(12,618 posts)
19. The stopping in the middle of a sentence and starting a new one is a
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:55 PM
Sep 2020

tried and true tactic for squelching a stutter. He was taught to do this, it works, and it sounds a lot better than stuttering.

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
36. I was a stutterer myself and it takes a lot of work to get around it.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:08 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1)

A lot of it is expanding your vocabulary so when you sense a stutter coming on you can pick a synonym. Making that seamless and unnoticed takes years of work. I speak about 99% normal now, and it's not because stuttering just wears off. I've admired Joe Biden for it for a long time.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
15. The clock
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:09 PM
Sep 2020

The clock is Trump’s enemy, he likes to rant on and on and on about nothing. It isn’t because it’s deliberate, it’s because he can’t think quickly. A clock will cut him off, leaving him in mid-sentence.

Fact-checking will be subconscious, seeing Trump fumble will make him look untruthful and incompetent. Let Trump demonstrate himself how Biden is comparatively better.

Trumps devotees will be unmoved, but if anybody is still undecided it won’t be a good outing for Trump. He’s an over-the-hill reality-TV actor who is now in charge of casting decisions. He arrogantly selects himself for the role as a leading man, But Trump is way, way past his prime.

IcyPeas

(21,857 posts)
21. whatever the question is Trump is just going to rif off his usual script
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:11 PM
Sep 2020

I can predict everything he is going to say already and so can we all.

Rebl2

(13,490 posts)
28. I think
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:03 PM
Sep 2020

the news anchors should fact check trump in real time even if they interrupt the debate. I know that won’t happen, but they should do so right after the debate is over even if it takes ALL NIGHT!

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
29. Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:03 PM
Sep 2020

Is a former Chairman of the Republican National Committee. Why is such a partisan in that position? No wonder the rules are doctored in Trump's favor. Why does everything have to be rotten to the core?

After the TV lights are off the audience (who the fact checking benefits) is dispersed so the lies are what gets remembered. Corruption is everywhere you turn.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
32. They want to give Trump free reign to spread as many lies as possible to the Republican base many
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:07 PM
Sep 2020

of whom are either to lazy or stupid to confirm what he might lie about so if course they won't fact check.
Fox has after all never been a legitimate news agency that fact checks any Republican and it never will be.

andym

(5,443 posts)
37. Well, given how much Trump lies it would require most of the scheduled time
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:18 PM
Sep 2020

so it isn't practical. The networks should have a chyron with instant fact-checking-- not sure they are up to it though.

Joe Bacon

(5,164 posts)
40. Did we expect anyone from 19th Century Fox to fact-check Trump?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:48 PM
Sep 2020

Nope.

But I fully expect Wallace will do nothing but toss softballs at Trump.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
41. Doesn't really bother me as I have no intention of watching.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:11 PM
Sep 2020

All tRump has to do is walk on stage without falling and say one word without slurring and the debate is his. He will be very presidential for this and the media will swoon. No thanks.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
43. He will bloviate,
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 12:02 AM
Sep 2020

Lie, deflect, rant and be incoherent as well.

This situation allows him to be off script which is dangerous.
You honestly think he is going to stand at his podium like an adult?

No, he is going to be as bad as 2016.

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