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Trump wins Indiana (Original Post) Renew Deal Nov 2020 OP
No surprise. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #1
Meh Tribalceltic Nov 2020 #2
As expected SheltieLover Nov 2020 #3
and Biden wins VT nt yaesu Nov 2020 #4
Pence country Blue Owl Nov 2020 #5
We hate Pence - but much of the state only dislikes him and loves the Orange one. salin Nov 2020 #7
I feel you. agtcovert Nov 2020 #14
we are in this together. salin Nov 2020 #17
Expected. No worries. pfitz59 Nov 2020 #6
No. And the state dems focused on IN5 (flip a House seat) & breaking super majorities in the state salin Nov 2020 #10
I don't get it, Pence was one of our most hated Governors. OverBurn Nov 2020 #8
1) Racism + 2)radicalization of the GOP by the tea party and taxess* salin Nov 2020 #13
That'll have Trumpsky running to the podium. n/t Harker Nov 2020 #9
How coincidental! Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #11
S0 10% is now the threshold of truth? WOW!!! I think my Stat classes preferred more than 40%. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #12
Could have seen that one coming! Initech Nov 2020 #15
Oh well! FakeNoose Nov 2020 #16
not surprising weissmam Nov 2020 #18
This just in....the sun rises in the east! paleotn Nov 2020 #19

salin

(48,955 posts)
7. We hate Pence - but much of the state only dislikes him and loves the Orange one.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:32 PM
Nov 2020

Frustrated that it is already called. It won't change the end but will change the margin - the northwestern part of the state bordering Chicago - didn't close til 700pm and is the largest concentration of Dem voters in the state.

It is so fatiguing to live here - even when living in a blue dot.

salin

(48,955 posts)
10. No. And the state dems focused on IN5 (flip a House seat) & breaking super majorities in the state
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:37 PM
Nov 2020

house.

Good news on the IN-5 front:




Eric Berman
@WIBC_EricBerman
Level 1:
#IN05 early returns: Hale 52-45%. That mainly reflects 100K early votes in Hamilton (Spartz +4500 in those votes) and the first few vote centers in Marion County (Hale stronghold).

(Note that as recently this seat was held Dan Burton (he of the shoot up the watermelon re: Vince Foster fame).

OverBurn

(950 posts)
8. I don't get it, Pence was one of our most hated Governors.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

I thought Indiana had turned a corner when we voted for Obama in 2008, I was wrong. I think the racism just festered and grew after that. Lived here most of my life, I'll probably die here, hating a lot of my fellow hoosiers.

salin

(48,955 posts)
13. 1) Racism + 2)radicalization of the GOP by the tea party and taxess*
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

When the state house kept kicking the can on changing the tax structure after the inventory tax was ruled unconstitutional (around 1998) led to a forced big hike in property tax right at the same time the Tea Party was taking off in the summer/fall of 2009.

I was in Indy at the time and the Mayor was expected to glide to a 3rd term. Til in the last 1-2 months protest city (via the tea party), and Bart Peterson was soon former mayor.

It is all I can figure - as to why the GOP here became so much more radical than it had been for decades (ya pockets far right - but state wide most GOP/Dems were always pretty moderate: Orr, Bayh, O'Bannon, and Daniels. (Okay Daniels was hardline economic right -but moderate on culture wars and most areas of governance.)

I think most (even GOP) still don't like Pence - they just love the tribalism of Trump, and others... well its the talibornigan faction.

That said - I am going to pay close attention to the final vote spread between Biden Trump and expect it to be much decreased from 2016, and attention to the rates of turnout by age in the urban and suburban parts of the state.

It did feel like we were turning purple in 2006 and 2008. I think that was real - and still hope that the fervor/radicalization will keep wearing off and wane. Am hoping that in the next 2 cycles we return to purple. wishful thinking, eh?

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
11. How coincidental!
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:38 PM
Nov 2020

The VP’s home state reports Trump a winner before all other states. Man, what’re the chances of that?

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