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brooklynite

(94,360 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:31 PM Nov 2020

Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show

Source: NBC News


Support for the Democratic presidential candidate reached a new low among Black men this year, according to the NBC News poll of early and Election Day voters.

Eighty percent of Black men supported Joe Biden, down slightly from Hilary Clinton’s 82 percent in 2016 but significantly down from Barack Obama’s level of support among Black men in 2012 and 2008.

In Obama’s first presidential campaign, 95 percent of Black male voters and 96 percent of Black women chose him. Four years later, support from Black women remained at 96 percent for Obama’s 2012 re-election, while the figure for Black men slid to 87 percent.

In 2016, when the nominee was Hillary Clinton, Black men dropped further to 82 percent while Black women’s support for Clinton remained high at 94 percent. Biden came close to matching that this year, garnering the support of 91 percent of Black women.


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Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2020 OP
Shame on those black men for betraying their race and voting for a white supremist kimbutgar Nov 2020 #1
It's a stupid, misleading headline. The 80% supporting Biden and the 82% who supported pnwmom Nov 2020 #32
I tend to agree but think you may have overstated a bit dsc Nov 2020 #34
Which is another thing wrong with this article, besides the title. pnwmom Nov 2020 #80
What happens next will shock you... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #38
I agree Rebl2 Nov 2020 #68
Voting for the racist DownriverDem Nov 2020 #42
To a lot of men the Trumps, and the other type A personality Republicans attract men LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #67
Authoritarian Followers are attracted to Trump regardless of race StClone Nov 2020 #73
Machismo, Patriarchy, Misogyny SharonAnn Nov 2020 #78
Sadly all that StClone Nov 2020 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #91
Well, shame on white people, as even more of them voted for Trump. yardwork Nov 2020 #58
I'm a white man who totally agrees with your point Tom Rinaldo Nov 2020 #101
Kanye? Upward Nov 2020 #72
WOW...WTAF ? What race are you referring to 'cuz the last time I checked, as a BLACK WOMAN... The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 2020 #76
This is bullshit! What makes the writer think they voted for Trump? No way..... machoneman Nov 2020 #2
They're talking about percentages in exit polls caraher Nov 2020 #25
This. Exit polls are particularly tricky this time. Lucky Luciano Nov 2020 #74
Trump was making bigly promices to them. They loved the attention. Just my thoughts. riversedge Nov 2020 #26
Well, given I can not in any sense of imagination explain why so many white women supported Trump, hlthe2b Nov 2020 #3
Assuming this is true, I agree OldBaldy1701E Nov 2020 #51
We're going to start blaming Black folks while the votes are still being counted? fleur-de-lisa Nov 2020 #4
Right? jayfish Nov 2020 #11
+1 lunasun Nov 2020 #17
I don't think Latinos gave us anything like 80% support dsc Nov 2020 #35
You Sure About That? jayfish Nov 2020 #44
that wasn't a post about Arizona dsc Nov 2020 #45
I'm Looking at... jayfish Nov 2020 #47
I think it's a serious mistake to think of a "Latino vote"... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #49
Yours is a good post rpannier Nov 2020 #53
Good post CatLady78 Nov 2020 #99
Blame me 57 year old white male exboyfil Nov 2020 #15
That's kinda par for the course with far too many. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #60
While a majority of whites supported Trump again. Smh. yardwork Nov 2020 #61
According to the article, it was a decline from 91% to 87% Warpy Nov 2020 #71
and I'm buying the Brooklyn Bridge! stillcool Nov 2020 #5
They're susceptible to that phony "tough guy" bullshit just like white men, I guess. BlueStater Nov 2020 #6
That is a possibility..... paleotn Nov 2020 #16
Proven fact. Wellstone ruled Nov 2020 #20
Yes, there is more than one YouTube channel hosted by black Trumpists. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #30
Same reason many Hispanic men went for Trump NickB79 Nov 2020 #56
Because people always believe Trump, no matter how much he lies. AleksS Nov 2020 #7
Daily Show did a piece on this. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #8
Eddie S. Glaude Jr. a African-American professor at Princeton said... nycbos Nov 2020 #9
I would say that's really sad. dem4decades Nov 2020 #10
... Cirque du So-What Nov 2020 #12
You're making the right call. ZZenith Nov 2020 #13
I get you, but who did that slice of black men vote for? paleotn Nov 2020 #18
Maybe some of them had an attitude like... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #14
How do we know the poll is legit? LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #19
This has been showing in polls for some time now. Steelrolled Nov 2020 #21
Need a demographic breakdown Blasphemer Nov 2020 #22
Now we're gonna believe the polls again? bluestarone Nov 2020 #23
Touche' JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2020 #59
It's has everything to do with richdj25 Nov 2020 #24
That looks like the draw of aligning with "power". 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #27
Maybe. matt819 Nov 2020 #28
After the 2016 results and now last night, I'll never have any confidence in the accuracy of "polls" George II Nov 2020 #29
It's the stupid headline writer in this case.The 80% support Biden got is within the margin of error pnwmom Nov 2020 #33
In other words they're basically the same results, not "drifted in record numbers". George II Nov 2020 #43
They're also just about the same as Bill Clinton's numbers back in the 90's. pnwmom Nov 2020 #48
They're estimates, not prophicies. paleotn Nov 2020 #66
I was afraid of this; djacq Nov 2020 #31
15% is significant. It doesn't change this election. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #36
DONT FORGET - many T voters just want to stick it to "liberals" Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #37
Apparently old was-beens rappers and cons artists and dry out sports figures... Historic NY Nov 2020 #39
Clayton Bigsby?! LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #40
- Bigredhunk Nov 2020 #41
Trying to make 80% support sound like a bad thing is bullshit. I'll take 80% support anyday still_one Nov 2020 #46
It is when 8 years ago it was about 92% rpannier Nov 2020 #54
Ok, but maybe white people need to step up. yardwork Nov 2020 #62
That would be a legitimate topic for discussion rpannier Nov 2020 #77
With the first ever Black President. Obama's support was exceptional. Biden's was similar pnwmom Nov 2020 #84
Actually, Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #104
I'm black. My black cousin and her black husband are uber religious TxDemChem Nov 2020 #50
Yes, this election broke on patriarchal authoritarian lines. yardwork Nov 2020 #63
They haven't noticed that Biden is religious and Trump is a joke? pnwmom Nov 2020 #85
Don't even get me started on their opinion of Catholics TxDemChem Nov 2020 #86
Exit polls are meaningless when so many people voted by mail. OnlinePoker Nov 2020 #52
Using terms like 'the black vote' and Aussie105 Nov 2020 #55
My thoughts exactly Steelrolled Nov 2020 #64
We tend to be too hasty in putting people into stereotype groups. Aussie105 Nov 2020 #69
There were some black men that didn't like the increasing power and influence of Black Women JI7 Nov 2020 #57
Anyone who votes for a monster, warmfeet Nov 2020 #65
Trump scores really low on a number of aspects we should hold dear. Aussie105 Nov 2020 #70
Indeed. warmfeet Nov 2020 #109
I really, really, really believe the polls. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #75
All I can do is quote Forrest Gump's Mom Escurumbele Nov 2020 #79
I think we can agree on one thing: Grokenstein Nov 2020 #81
Absolutely Shameful Rob_70 Nov 2020 #83
I would say it's not so much 2 cents or Lil Wayne that influence them but Jspur Nov 2020 #88
Thank you Rob_70 Nov 2020 #95
I have a good idea why some black men voted Jspur Nov 2020 #87
that was my guess Skittles Nov 2020 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #89
The thing you also have to consider TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #92
It's a combination of the first two points Jspur Nov 2020 #93
Thanks for sharing TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #96
I agree they have figured out they only need to influcence Jspur Nov 2020 #98
I will also say the democrats have to do more to help the black community just to dispel Jspur Nov 2020 #94
I have to admit TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #97
Sometimes the comments are better than the article. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #100
Am I the only person who feels that this is a racist perspective? Not you mahina Nov 2020 #102
If only Black men could vote, we wouldn't have Trump as president. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #103
Trying to make Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #105
GOP smear machine hit Biden his crime bill and Harris on her prosecutor experience IronLionZion Nov 2020 #106
that is bull-crap... stillcool Nov 2020 #107
Sounds like bullshit orangecrush Nov 2020 #108

kimbutgar

(21,056 posts)
1. Shame on those black men for betraying their race and voting for a white supremist
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:34 PM
Nov 2020

If I met a guy and he told me he voted for MF45 he would lose my interest real quick. And I can imagine black women being pissed a brother voted for the orange maggot.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
32. It's a stupid, misleading headline. The 80% supporting Biden and the 82% who supported
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:14 PM
Nov 2020

Hillary are within the exit poll's margin of error -- so the difference is statistically meaningless. Black men strongly supported Biden. That should have been the headline.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
34. I tend to agree but think you may have overstated a bit
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:22 PM
Nov 2020

exit polls have very large sample sizes and thus lower MOE than ordinary polls. I am not 100% sure that 2% is within the MOE for an exit poll but even if it is outside of the MOE it isn't a massive drop off.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
80. Which is another thing wrong with this article, besides the title.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:17 PM
Nov 2020

It mentions a poll but contains no information about the size of the the sample, the margin of error, or a link to the actual poll.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
67. To a lot of men the Trumps, and the other type A personality Republicans attract men
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

who like the toxic macho, macho men like themselves. That includes white and black.

StClone

(11,682 posts)
73. Authoritarian Followers are attracted to Trump regardless of race
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:33 PM
Nov 2020

Strong Man, Father figure, protector, manipulator is attractive to A.L.s

Response to SharonAnn (Reply #78)

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
58. Well, shame on white people, as even more of them voted for Trump.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

80% of black men voted for Biden.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
101. I'm a white man who totally agrees with your point
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:18 AM
Nov 2020

80% of Black men voting for Biden is a hell of a lot better than the percentage of white men who voted for the racist. We should neither cast blame nor shame on any voting block that solidly supported Biden/Harris in this election. However we can and should view negative trends within our base with concern. That is entirely legitimate and useful to examine. Democrats might have been better served had we shown more interest in combating the drift away from the Democratic Party by Union households decades earlier.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(715 posts)
76. WOW...WTAF ? What race are you referring to 'cuz the last time I checked, as a BLACK WOMAN...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:06 PM
Nov 2020

I IDENTIFY as a card holding member of the HUMAN RACE. You know, as in Homo sapiens sapiens....

machoneman

(3,997 posts)
2. This is bullshit! What makes the writer think they voted for Trump? No way.....
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:34 PM
Nov 2020


Hey, maybe they just didn't vote for either candidate? Or stayed home for a zero vote. This joker is an idiot.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
25. They're talking about percentages in exit polls
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:58 PM
Nov 2020

So they could have voted 3rd party or left the presidential vote blank, but they didn't stay home.

The real bias is that it's exit polling. That means they're sampling in-person voters, who as a group likely skew towards Trump.

hlthe2b

(102,134 posts)
3. Well, given I can not in any sense of imagination explain why so many white women supported Trump,
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:35 PM
Nov 2020

I surely can't explain this either. Latino men supporting Trump is likewise inexplicable, but I tend to think the cultural machismo may be partially at play.

All, I can say is it is depressing to see.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,092 posts)
51. Assuming this is true, I agree
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:36 PM
Nov 2020

I am still amazed that there are any females or black people left in South Carolina after what LadyG said. Amazed...

dsc

(52,152 posts)
35. I don't think Latinos gave us anything like 80% support
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:24 PM
Nov 2020

had they it would have been utterly historic. They did give us a majority but not much above 60

dsc

(52,152 posts)
45. that wasn't a post about Arizona
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:56 PM
Nov 2020

but the entire country. So no Hispanics didn't give 80% support to Democrats. We did clean up, and probably did a bit better than normal among Hispanics in the west but we clearly didn't in Texas nor Florida.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
47. I'm Looking at...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:05 PM
Nov 2020

a very poorly crafted graph and it shows you are correct. ...for now. Still around 60% support though.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
49. I think it's a serious mistake to think of a "Latino vote"...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:27 PM
Nov 2020

...just as it is to make generalizations about a "white vote," when there are serious disparities between whites based on educational level, urban/suburban/rural, etc.

If you think about it, a lot of the "Latinx vote" is divided by country of origin. For example, the Latinx vote in Miami/Dade is predominantly those whose parents or grandparents emigrated from Cuba to escape Castro, plus well-off Nicaraguans who left during the Sandanista era, plus more-recently-arriving Venezuelans fleeing Chavez/Maduro. All those are likely to be conservative, and ready to vote against anyone who Republicans label "socialist," as they see any such candidate as potentially establishing an oppressive system like the one their family fled.

Throughout the rest of the country, most seem to come from Mexico, but, even there, there may be disparities between men (who may be coming from a "macho" mindset that respects a "strong leader&quot and women (who have had to put up with that sort of machismo too much in their daily lives). And there's also a divide between those who are strict Roman Catholics (and who may have been getting told that it was their religious duty to vote for the anti-abortion candidate), and those who are more liberal in their religious beliefs. And, of course, there are the class divides that are common in every racial group. And so on.

The point is, it's a mistake to look at the Latinx community as a monolithic bloc that is going to vote in one direction. How that may apply to Black males as well is a matter beyond my expertise.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
53. Yours is a good post
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:46 PM
Nov 2020

I would add to it, Hispanic Evangelicals skew toward Trump
There is an article (I think the Guardian. If I find I'll link it) where Pentecostal Hispanics see themselves as a religion first and an ethnicity second. They vote on social issues, like abortion, same sex marriage

CatLady78

(1,041 posts)
99. Good post
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:37 AM
Nov 2020

We tend to group people together very simplistically.

Of course some sweeping generalizations could be true of someone as extreme as this guy though..he is such a lunatic that I cannot see him generating much enthusiasm even among some types of conservatives.

A lot of people might just be voting for the party...I cannot see Republican leaning women at least finding him appealing by and large..
His personality would generally repel most women, the same it seems to have a bizarre appeal for many men..

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
15. Blame me 57 year old white male
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:42 PM
Nov 2020

I do have a college education so I am not in the worst demographic, but I am in the next worst.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
60. That's kinda par for the course with far too many.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

And you shall know them by their fruit-of-the-looms.

Warpy

(111,164 posts)
71. According to the article, it was a decline from 91% to 87%
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:58 PM
Nov 2020

so there is no blame to be affixed.

In addition, I can see guys coming out and yanking the exit pollsters' chains.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
6. They're susceptible to that phony "tough guy" bullshit just like white men, I guess.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:35 PM
Nov 2020

So many fragile, insecure men in this country. Pathetic.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
16. That is a possibility.....
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:43 PM
Nov 2020

Toxic masculinity is a major problem in this country and needs to be dealt with. And it's probably safe to say it's an equal opportunity affliction for all men. But as a male, and a white male to boot, I don't get it. I really don't. Just be human. How fucking hard is that? Geeezz!!!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
30. Yes, there is more than one YouTube channel hosted by black Trumpists.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:12 PM
Nov 2020

This one I ran across because it was part of David Pakman's videos. His name is Jesse Lee Peterson. A debate they had with each other. A follow up to another more rankus one where he threw David off his set. He brings up all the macho heterosexual tropes, and religion. Including bizarrely joking about Black stereotypes like being late, and eating kinds of foods.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
56. Same reason many Hispanic men went for Trump
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:53 PM
Nov 2020

Like you said, fragile men all around due to generations of toxic masculinity poisoning young boys.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
7. Because people always believe Trump, no matter how much he lies.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:35 PM
Nov 2020

So when he kept saying how he was the best thing to happen to black people since Lincoln, some people believed it.

WTF.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
18. I get you, but who did that slice of black men vote for?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:45 PM
Nov 2020

The libertarian candidate?

If that turns out to be the numbers, then that's the numbers regardless of what we think of them.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
14. Maybe some of them had an attitude like...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:39 PM
Nov 2020

... "Let's just burn this mother f***ing country to the ground! Seems like he's doing it!"

LiberalFighter

(50,787 posts)
19. How do we know the poll is legit?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:45 PM
Nov 2020

Are they sure they polled black men? Are they sure they were being honest with their response?

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
21. This has been showing in polls for some time now.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:51 PM
Nov 2020

My explanation is that people don't always view the world as you think they do.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
22. Need a demographic breakdown
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:51 PM
Nov 2020

There are young black men in my family put off by Biden's history with criminal justice issues. The same may have applied to Clinton.

richdj25

(162 posts)
24. It's has everything to do with
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:56 PM
Nov 2020

pure stupidity. One doesn't have to be of a certain race to be a moron. Think.....50-cent and any member of the Proud boys.

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
27. That looks like the draw of aligning with "power".
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:08 PM
Nov 2020

Especially when sexism, misogyny and anti-LGBTQ are added to the mix. It's awful and sad. For anyone.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. Maybe.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe not.

The polls have been so far out of whack with the reality, why should we believe them on any further analysis?

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
33. It's the stupid headline writer in this case.The 80% support Biden got is within the margin of error
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:16 PM
Nov 2020

of the 82% that Hillary got.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
48. They're also just about the same as Bill Clinton's numbers back in the 90's.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:19 PM
Nov 2020

Obama got even higher support, of course. But Biden did as well as white Democrats usually do (at least in modern times). Black people haven't been "drifting away."

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
66. They're estimates, not prophicies.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nov 2020

Incredibly complex estimates built on a whole host of other estimates and sometimes outright guesses. First off, they're wrong before the ink is dry, thus margins of error, which are also estimates. I've spent most of my career trying to predict the future. My first statement on that is it's a forecast, not a prophecy. Secondly, I'm wrong. No doubt about that. And if I hit spot on it's dumb luck. The question really is, how wrong am I? I give ranges sometimes just so people don't get a damn wrong number stuck in their heads. I deal with machinery, processes, widgets, shipments in and out, and weighted risks and ops. Child's play compared to trying to predict the preferences of umpteen demographic slices swaying back and forth like trees in a strong breeze, all interacting with each other, the media and the candidates. I don't envy the pollster's jobs, not one bit. But the reason they do them is everyone always wants to know what's going to happen days, weeks or months ahead. The only way to be truly accurate is to poll everyone on election day. But we already do that.

djacq

(1,633 posts)
31. I was afraid of this;
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:12 PM
Nov 2020

Fortunately, I'm one of Black Men that voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

But, it's troubling that a good portion of my "so called" Black brothers would vote for a Racist.

This needs to be address urgently!

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
37. DONT FORGET - many T voters just want to stick it to "liberals"
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:27 PM
Nov 2020

- issues are a really secondary consideration for many of them. I spoze black men could also find some gratification in that.... similar phenomenon is poor white folks voting against their own interests.

But then .... how much of this is voter suppression and unfair ID requirements (eg no DMV in central parts of city, cant get there without a car.) THEY WOULDNT DO VOTER SUPPRESSION if it didnt work! So thats a good reason why we might have fewer black people in general voting Dem than Obama election. Maybe for some its lack of interest in voting for white people, but certainly doesnt account for all of the decline.

Bigredhunk

(1,348 posts)
41. -
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

Bullsh*t. We white male dumb fux are the problem. Nobody else. Of course I'm a college graduate, so I'm a little removed from some of my brethren. But still...

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
54. It is when 8 years ago it was about 92%
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:49 PM
Nov 2020

It's an important demographic for Democrats and the party relies on them to win tight races
It would be akin to only 80% of white fundamentalist evangelicals voting Republican

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
62. Ok, but maybe white people need to step up.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:14 PM
Nov 2020

I'm a white woman, lifelong Democrat. Why the hell does the Democratic Party count on black people to save us every year? What the hell is wrong with us white people?!

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
77. That would be a legitimate topic for discussion
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:11 PM
Nov 2020

But, that's not what this article is about
There needs to be some acceptance on DU and other places that there is likely about 12% of the African-American population that is Republican and the numbers in this election are bearing that out.
It is also true that there is about 30% of the Hispanic electorate that is Republican (2016 bore that out and 2020 likely will as well)
White males are not a base of the Democratic Party. Billionaires are not a base either. When we lose the Hispanic Pentecostal vote, or the White rural aggrieved vote it isn't an issue because we've never had them in the first place

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
84. With the first ever Black President. Obama's support was exceptional. Biden's was similar
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:22 PM
Nov 2020

to the previous Presidential candidate who had high support among Black men and women: Bill Clinton.

Support in the 80's was enough to get Clinton facetiously deemed, "the first Black President."

Turin_C3PO

(13,911 posts)
104. Actually,
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:22 PM
Nov 2020

the exit poll did indicate that Trump support with his support going from 81% in 2016 and 76% this time. Still a horrible number. No link, I read the article yesterday on DU.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
50. I'm black. My black cousin and her black husband are uber religious
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:30 PM
Nov 2020

They have been excoriating Joe Biden all election season long. I, unfortunately, can see how this is happening. They truly believe in the patriarchy and headship. My family and I are atheists. I’ve tried to build a bridge with her, but she is too far gone.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
86. Don't even get me started on their opinion of Catholics
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:24 PM
Nov 2020

They’re just nuts. Definitely glad the family reunion for this year got canceled.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
52. Exit polls are meaningless when so many people voted by mail.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:39 PM
Nov 2020

So many of those votes are Democratic they are swaying the battleground states towards Biden as they are being counted. We will likely never have an accurate breakdown of voting patterns in this election.

Aussie105

(5,334 posts)
55. Using terms like 'the black vote' and
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:53 PM
Nov 2020

'the Latino vote' are essentially racist ideas in their own right.

Kind of implies 'All you colored people think alike'.
Reminds me of an earlier racist comment 'All Chinese people carry and spread COVID-19. Keep them out of the country!' and 'All Arabs are terrorists!'

Since when does skin color or nationality affect your internal mental processes?

Human psychology is complex, and so are peoples' voting preferences, it's way beyond skin deep.



 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
64. My thoughts exactly
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:19 PM
Nov 2020

I'm always bemused by the complaint "they are voting against their interests" as if one's interests are dictated by skin color, income, religion, etc.

Aussie105

(5,334 posts)
69. We tend to be too hasty in putting people into stereotype groups.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:44 PM
Nov 2020

You are a fat, old guy with a gun? Obviously, a White Power Trump ass kisser.
You are a fat, old guy who works with kids? Obviously, a pedophile.
You are a short haired macho female? Obviously, a militant lesbo.

Etc.

But if you do this:
You are old, orange in the face, spout outlandish bull? Then you are a nut case! . . . then you have it about right. 8-)

JI7

(89,240 posts)
57. There were some black men that didn't like the increasing power and influence of Black Women
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:05 PM
Nov 2020

The same thing happened when Stacey Abrams ran


Some of these guys would have easily voted for a white women.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
65. Anyone who votes for a monster,
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:19 PM
Nov 2020

is a monster in my book.

I don't care who the fuck they are. You support a monster, you fucking are a monster.

Aussie105

(5,334 posts)
70. Trump scores really low on a number of aspects we should hold dear.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:47 PM
Nov 2020

Respect for the Constitution.
Respect for women, people of color.
Respect for fidelity in marriage.

etc

Yet millions of people still voted for him? Monster club (aka GOP) members!

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
109. Indeed.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:25 PM
Nov 2020

He lacks respect for life itself. If it does not serve his purpose in the moment, he cares not.

Escurumbele

(3,378 posts)
79. All I can do is quote Forrest Gump's Mom
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:14 PM
Nov 2020

Stupid is as stupid does...

My goodness, they cannot be more stupid...Stockholm Syndrome all the way...

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
81. I think we can agree on one thing:
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:18 PM
Nov 2020
Anyone who voted for Trump this time can't claim they were looking for "a businessman, to run the country like a business," or a patriotic American, or a devoted Christian with strong family values. Not after four years of this psychotic nonsense.

They were looking for a monstrous asshole to entertain them by harming Someone Else every day, like a 24/7 ongoing episode of The Apprentice, or a fascist who would stomp on all the people they hated (even if he occasionally stomped on them as well), or a Joker who would spread chaos and burn the world while they watched. They were looking for a fellow Angry Dolt. They know the whole hug-and-kiss-the-flag bit is meant to mock decent people and decency itself. ...You mad, bro?

(now comes the part where some of us will disagree)

Get mad. Stay mad. Do not let it slide, because they'll just be back next election. Deplore them, since that is the path they chose. Refuse to share a table with them on Thanksgiving. When they beg you to visit for Christmas, wish them a happy holiday and tell them to get fucked. If they sidle up to you at work and try to soft-peddle their maganazi shit, tell them to eat that shit. When their eyes get all big and watery and they whine "Why are you being so meeeean?", make them regret trying that manipulative stunt. Move out on them if you can, but be prepared to defend yourself when their real selves come out.

His cult is everything he is, by proxy.
Treat them accordingly.

Rob_70

(8 posts)
83. Absolutely Shameful
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:21 PM
Nov 2020

I'm still trying to rap my brain around this. The black men in my family definitely vote Biden/Harris. I believe some of them were influenced by 2 cents and lil Wayne.

Jspur

(578 posts)
88. I would say it's not so much 2 cents or Lil Wayne that influence them but
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:40 PM
Nov 2020

more so guys like Tariq Nasheed who is a radical extremist on youtube that has a large black following. Go spend some time watching either of these two videos I posted and you can see how black people can be manipulated by the propaganda Tariq is pushing. The type of propaganda he's pushing is what has caused some black men to switch over to Trump.

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Jspur

(578 posts)
87. I have a good idea why some black men voted
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:33 PM
Nov 2020

for Trump. For those of you who don't know me I'm Indian American. I was born and raised in the US but my parents are from India. I'm not white so because of it I have seen black guys being comfortable around me that they feel they can open up about their political views. A lot of black guys I talked to feel the Democrats have hurt the black community with their push for feminism and that it has created a gender divide between men and women in their community. They feel the Democrats always take them for granted but don't do anything for them. There are some who don't like Biden because of his support of the crime bill. They are a lot of black men who don't like Kamala because she prosecuted black men when she was a DA. They also don't like how Kamala is with a white guy and look down on her for it. With that being said all the black guys I talked to still voted for Biden despite them having grievances with the democratic party.

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TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
92. The thing you also have to consider
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:16 PM
Nov 2020

1) Are we seeing a genuine drop in male Black support among Democrats, or
2) Are we seeing just a drop in turnout among Black men likely to vote Democratic, and the Black men who always vote Republican are just making up a higher proportion of the vote.

or I suppose
3) These numbers are part of the polling error.

I do worry about the effects of what Black men see on social media. While I hate to stereotype, they tend to be less educated, and we have seen the effect that social media propaganda has had on less educated white voters.

Jspur

(578 posts)
93. It's a combination of the first two points
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:25 PM
Nov 2020

you made. I have talked to quite a few black guys who just don't believe in voting anymore. They know Trump is trash but their mentality is "The dems are not going to help me out either so why should I care. They can't help make my life better." You also having black youtubers pushing black people just not to vote at all and in some case vote Trump to punish the democrats for not doing enough for the black community. Go youtube Tariq Nasheed he is a big youtube political influencer. He has big following on twitter and youtube. This guy consistently trashes the democrat party and pushes his agenda which is that both parties are the same and don't care about black people. I fee like guys like Tariq have had a huge impact on black people. They are a lot of them all over social media.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
96. Thanks for sharing
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:55 PM
Nov 2020

for the same reasons I do worry about the youth vote in general. I think Republicans have figured out good ways to micro target constituencies on social media and to either to get them to turn out or stay home.

Jspur

(578 posts)
98. I agree they have figured out they only need to influcence
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:00 AM
Nov 2020

around 5-10 percent of a demographic to have effects on an election.

Jspur

(578 posts)
94. I will also say the democrats have to do more to help the black community just to dispel
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:26 PM
Nov 2020

the propaganda conservatives pushing online which is the democrats don't care about black people.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
97. I have to admit
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:59 PM
Nov 2020

the Democratic ads I saw on YouTube were amateurish compared to the Republican ones (or the ones put together by Republican Super Pacs). And this is in MN where we won comfortably.

mahina

(17,622 posts)
102. Am I the only person who feels that this is a racist perspective? Not you
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:15 PM
Nov 2020

Brooklyn it’s, but the Editor who included in t and the author who wrote it.

Barack Obama is a black man. Of course with our history it’s no surprise that black people would turn out in great numbers, and they did, and thank God they did. But this article has a little feeling in it like black people are supposed to save us, how come you’re not saving us as much as they saved us that time? 80% isn’t good enough ? I’d be willing to bet that that is the highest percentage of any males. Am I only one who feels that?

I’ll be much more interested in hearing in some doubts the arguments that really moved people to support Donald Trump. Very interesting conversation with a man here yesterday who is a Trump supporter and a landscape maintenance guy in a condo project. He makes 14.50/hr and gets his health insurance paid for because this is Hawaii and employers if full time workers have to do that.


He told me the reason he didn’t want Joe Biden to win was because Joe Biden would increase capital gains taxes from 25 to 50%. We had a conversation about that, and about falsehoods.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
103. If only Black men could vote, we wouldn't have Trump as president.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:55 PM
Nov 2020

We'd be re-electing Hillary right now.

Turin_C3PO

(13,911 posts)
105. Trying to make
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

Black men the villain is bullshit. Our biggest demographic problem is Whites, White males especially.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
106. GOP smear machine hit Biden his crime bill and Harris on her prosecutor experience
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:36 PM
Nov 2020

Along with completely misleading falsehoods about both of them on various things.

then there was the usual stuff around religion and tax cuts like any other conservative. The GOP targeted black men in several swing states to claim the Dems haven't done enough for their communities, which can be a compelling enough argument in some economically depressed areas of the upper midwest and southeast. Plenty of black business owners and workers were hit hard by the lockdowns this year. GOP encouraged people to blame Dems for it.

We can't really blame voters when it's up to our party to convince voters to vote for our candidates.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
107. that is bull-crap...
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:25 PM
Nov 2020

and it makes me sick that people believe whatever they're told. No thinking involved.

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