Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show
Source: NBC News
Eighty percent of Black men supported Joe Biden, down slightly from Hilary Clintons 82 percent in 2016 but significantly down from Barack Obamas level of support among Black men in 2012 and 2008.
In Obamas first presidential campaign, 95 percent of Black male voters and 96 percent of Black women chose him. Four years later, support from Black women remained at 96 percent for Obamas 2012 re-election, while the figure for Black men slid to 87 percent.
In 2016, when the nominee was Hillary Clinton, Black men dropped further to 82 percent while Black womens support for Clinton remained high at 94 percent. Biden came close to matching that this year, garnering the support of 91 percent of Black women.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-men-drifted-democrats-toward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447
kimbutgar
(21,056 posts)If I met a guy and he told me he voted for MF45 he would lose my interest real quick. And I can imagine black women being pissed a brother voted for the orange maggot.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Hillary are within the exit poll's margin of error -- so the difference is statistically meaningless. Black men strongly supported Biden. That should have been the headline.
dsc
(52,152 posts)exit polls have very large sample sizes and thus lower MOE than ordinary polls. I am not 100% sure that 2% is within the MOE for an exit poll but even if it is outside of the MOE it isn't a massive drop off.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)It mentions a poll but contains no information about the size of the the sample, the margin of error, or a link to the actual poll.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Misleading headline. A republican must have written it.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)Now that is insane.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)who like the toxic macho, macho men like themselves. That includes white and black.
StClone
(11,682 posts)Strong Man, Father figure, protector, manipulator is attractive to A.L.s
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)StClone
(11,682 posts)Response to SharonAnn (Reply #78)
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yardwork
(61,539 posts)80% of black men voted for Biden.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)80% of Black men voting for Biden is a hell of a lot better than the percentage of white men who voted for the racist. We should neither cast blame nor shame on any voting block that solidly supported Biden/Harris in this election. However we can and should view negative trends within our base with concern. That is entirely legitimate and useful to examine. Democrats might have been better served had we shown more interest in combating the drift away from the Democratic Party by Union households decades earlier.
He was on the ballot.
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(715 posts)I IDENTIFY as a card holding member of the HUMAN RACE. You know, as in Homo sapiens sapiens....
machoneman
(3,997 posts)Hey, maybe they just didn't vote for either candidate? Or stayed home for a zero vote. This joker is an idiot.
caraher
(6,278 posts)So they could have voted 3rd party or left the presidential vote blank, but they didn't stay home.
The real bias is that it's exit polling. That means they're sampling in-person voters, who as a group likely skew towards Trump.
Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)riversedge
(70,087 posts)hlthe2b
(102,134 posts)I surely can't explain this either. Latino men supporting Trump is likewise inexplicable, but I tend to think the cultural machismo may be partially at play.
All, I can say is it is depressing to see.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,092 posts)I am still amazed that there are any females or black people left in South Carolina after what LadyG said. Amazed...
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)jayfish
(10,037 posts)When they are giving D's +80% support. Same with Latinos. Shameful.
dsc
(52,152 posts)had they it would have been utterly historic. They did give us a majority but not much above 60
jayfish
(10,037 posts)dsc
(52,152 posts)but the entire country. So no Hispanics didn't give 80% support to Democrats. We did clean up, and probably did a bit better than normal among Hispanics in the west but we clearly didn't in Texas nor Florida.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)a very poorly crafted graph and it shows you are correct. ...for now. Still around 60% support though.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...just as it is to make generalizations about a "white vote," when there are serious disparities between whites based on educational level, urban/suburban/rural, etc.
If you think about it, a lot of the "Latinx vote" is divided by country of origin. For example, the Latinx vote in Miami/Dade is predominantly those whose parents or grandparents emigrated from Cuba to escape Castro, plus well-off Nicaraguans who left during the Sandanista era, plus more-recently-arriving Venezuelans fleeing Chavez/Maduro. All those are likely to be conservative, and ready to vote against anyone who Republicans label "socialist," as they see any such candidate as potentially establishing an oppressive system like the one their family fled.
Throughout the rest of the country, most seem to come from Mexico, but, even there, there may be disparities between men (who may be coming from a "macho" mindset that respects a "strong leader" and women (who have had to put up with that sort of machismo too much in their daily lives). And there's also a divide between those who are strict Roman Catholics (and who may have been getting told that it was their religious duty to vote for the anti-abortion candidate), and those who are more liberal in their religious beliefs. And, of course, there are the class divides that are common in every racial group. And so on.
The point is, it's a mistake to look at the Latinx community as a monolithic bloc that is going to vote in one direction. How that may apply to Black males as well is a matter beyond my expertise.
rpannier
(24,328 posts)I would add to it, Hispanic Evangelicals skew toward Trump
There is an article (I think the Guardian. If I find I'll link it) where Pentecostal Hispanics see themselves as a religion first and an ethnicity second. They vote on social issues, like abortion, same sex marriage
CatLady78
(1,041 posts)We tend to group people together very simplistically.
Of course some sweeping generalizations could be true of someone as extreme as this guy though..he is such a lunatic that I cannot see him generating much enthusiasm even among some types of conservatives.
A lot of people might just be voting for the party...I cannot see Republican leaning women at least finding him appealing by and large..
His personality would generally repel most women, the same it seems to have a bizarre appeal for many men..
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)I do have a college education so I am not in the worst demographic, but I am in the next worst.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And you shall know them by their fruit-of-the-looms.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Warpy
(111,164 posts)so there is no blame to be affixed.
In addition, I can see guys coming out and yanking the exit pollsters' chains.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)So many fragile, insecure men in this country. Pathetic.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)Toxic masculinity is a major problem in this country and needs to be dealt with. And it's probably safe to say it's an equal opportunity affliction for all men. But as a male, and a white male to boot, I don't get it. I really don't. Just be human. How fucking hard is that? Geeezz!!!
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)This one I ran across because it was part of David Pakman's videos. His name is Jesse Lee Peterson. A debate they had with each other. A follow up to another more rankus one where he threw David off his set. He brings up all the macho heterosexual tropes, and religion. Including bizarrely joking about Black stereotypes like being late, and eating kinds of foods.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)Like you said, fragile men all around due to generations of toxic masculinity poisoning young boys.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)So when he kept saying how he was the best thing to happen to black people since Lincoln, some people believed it.
WTF.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)... while misogyny isn't unique to white men that the support for Trump marks deep seeding racism.
https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/eddie-glaude-what-are-these-people-voting-for-when-they-vote-for-donald-trump-95323205614?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
dem4decades
(11,269 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,908 posts)ZZenith
(4,115 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)The libertarian candidate?
If that turns out to be the numbers, then that's the numbers regardless of what we think of them.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)... "Let's just burn this mother f***ing country to the ground! Seems like he's doing it!"
LiberalFighter
(50,787 posts)Are they sure they polled black men? Are they sure they were being honest with their response?
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)My explanation is that people don't always view the world as you think they do.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)There are young black men in my family put off by Biden's history with criminal justice issues. The same may have applied to Clinton.
bluestarone
(16,867 posts)After how fucking WRONG they were here? I DO NOT THINK SO!!!
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)richdj25
(162 posts)pure stupidity. One doesn't have to be of a certain race to be a moron. Think.....50-cent and any member of the Proud boys.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)Especially when sexism, misogyny and anti-LGBTQ are added to the mix. It's awful and sad. For anyone.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Maybe not.
The polls have been so far out of whack with the reality, why should we believe them on any further analysis?
George II
(67,782 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)of the 82% that Hillary got.
George II
(67,782 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Obama got even higher support, of course. But Biden did as well as white Democrats usually do (at least in modern times). Black people haven't been "drifting away."
paleotn
(17,884 posts)Incredibly complex estimates built on a whole host of other estimates and sometimes outright guesses. First off, they're wrong before the ink is dry, thus margins of error, which are also estimates. I've spent most of my career trying to predict the future. My first statement on that is it's a forecast, not a prophecy. Secondly, I'm wrong. No doubt about that. And if I hit spot on it's dumb luck. The question really is, how wrong am I? I give ranges sometimes just so people don't get a damn wrong number stuck in their heads. I deal with machinery, processes, widgets, shipments in and out, and weighted risks and ops. Child's play compared to trying to predict the preferences of umpteen demographic slices swaying back and forth like trees in a strong breeze, all interacting with each other, the media and the candidates. I don't envy the pollster's jobs, not one bit. But the reason they do them is everyone always wants to know what's going to happen days, weeks or months ahead. The only way to be truly accurate is to poll everyone on election day. But we already do that.
djacq
(1,633 posts)Fortunately, I'm one of Black Men that voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
But, it's troubling that a good portion of my "so called" Black brothers would vote for a Racist.
This needs to be address urgently!
Kid Berwyn
(14,803 posts)We still won.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)- issues are a really secondary consideration for many of them. I spoze black men could also find some gratification in that.... similar phenomenon is poor white folks voting against their own interests.
But then .... how much of this is voter suppression and unfair ID requirements (eg no DMV in central parts of city, cant get there without a car.) THEY WOULDNT DO VOTER SUPPRESSION if it didnt work! So thats a good reason why we might have fewer black people in general voting Dem than Obama election. Maybe for some its lack of interest in voting for white people, but certainly doesnt account for all of the decline.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)were not enough.
LudwigPastorius
(9,110 posts)Bigredhunk
(1,348 posts)Bullsh*t. We white male dumb fux are the problem. Nobody else. Of course I'm a college graduate, so I'm a little removed from some of my brethren. But still...
still_one
(92,061 posts)rpannier
(24,328 posts)It's an important demographic for Democrats and the party relies on them to win tight races
It would be akin to only 80% of white fundamentalist evangelicals voting Republican
yardwork
(61,539 posts)I'm a white woman, lifelong Democrat. Why the hell does the Democratic Party count on black people to save us every year? What the hell is wrong with us white people?!
rpannier
(24,328 posts)But, that's not what this article is about
There needs to be some acceptance on DU and other places that there is likely about 12% of the African-American population that is Republican and the numbers in this election are bearing that out.
It is also true that there is about 30% of the Hispanic electorate that is Republican (2016 bore that out and 2020 likely will as well)
White males are not a base of the Democratic Party. Billionaires are not a base either. When we lose the Hispanic Pentecostal vote, or the White rural aggrieved vote it isn't an issue because we've never had them in the first place
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)to the previous Presidential candidate who had high support among Black men and women: Bill Clinton.
Support in the 80's was enough to get Clinton facetiously deemed, "the first Black President."
Turin_C3PO
(13,911 posts)the exit poll did indicate that Trump support with his support going from 81% in 2016 and 76% this time. Still a horrible number. No link, I read the article yesterday on DU.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)They have been excoriating Joe Biden all election season long. I, unfortunately, can see how this is happening. They truly believe in the patriarchy and headship. My family and I are atheists. Ive tried to build a bridge with her, but she is too far gone.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)It's very depressing.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Theyre just nuts. Definitely glad the family reunion for this year got canceled.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)So many of those votes are Democratic they are swaying the battleground states towards Biden as they are being counted. We will likely never have an accurate breakdown of voting patterns in this election.
Aussie105
(5,334 posts)'the Latino vote' are essentially racist ideas in their own right.
Kind of implies 'All you colored people think alike'.
Reminds me of an earlier racist comment 'All Chinese people carry and spread COVID-19. Keep them out of the country!' and 'All Arabs are terrorists!'
Since when does skin color or nationality affect your internal mental processes?
Human psychology is complex, and so are peoples' voting preferences, it's way beyond skin deep.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I'm always bemused by the complaint "they are voting against their interests" as if one's interests are dictated by skin color, income, religion, etc.
Aussie105
(5,334 posts)You are a fat, old guy with a gun? Obviously, a White Power Trump ass kisser.
You are a fat, old guy who works with kids? Obviously, a pedophile.
You are a short haired macho female? Obviously, a militant lesbo.
Etc.
But if you do this:
You are old, orange in the face, spout outlandish bull? Then you are a nut case! . . . then you have it about right. 8-)
JI7
(89,240 posts)The same thing happened when Stacey Abrams ran
Some of these guys would have easily voted for a white women.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)is a monster in my book.
I don't care who the fuck they are. You support a monster, you fucking are a monster.
Aussie105
(5,334 posts)Respect for the Constitution.
Respect for women, people of color.
Respect for fidelity in marriage.
etc
Yet millions of people still voted for him? Monster club (aka GOP) members!
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)He lacks respect for life itself. If it does not serve his purpose in the moment, he cares not.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,189 posts)Escurumbele
(3,378 posts)Stupid is as stupid does...
My goodness, they cannot be more stupid...Stockholm Syndrome all the way...
Grokenstein
(5,721 posts)They were looking for a monstrous asshole to entertain them by harming Someone Else every day, like a 24/7 ongoing episode of The Apprentice, or a fascist who would stomp on all the people they hated (even if he occasionally stomped on them as well), or a Joker who would spread chaos and burn the world while they watched. They were looking for a fellow Angry Dolt. They know the whole hug-and-kiss-the-flag bit is meant to mock decent people and decency itself. ...You mad, bro?
(now comes the part where some of us will disagree)
Get mad. Stay mad. Do not let it slide, because they'll just be back next election. Deplore them, since that is the path they chose. Refuse to share a table with them on Thanksgiving. When they beg you to visit for Christmas, wish them a happy holiday and tell them to get fucked. If they sidle up to you at work and try to soft-peddle their maganazi shit, tell them to eat that shit. When their eyes get all big and watery and they whine "Why are you being so meeeean?", make them regret trying that manipulative stunt. Move out on them if you can, but be prepared to defend yourself when their real selves come out.
His cult is everything he is, by proxy.
Treat them accordingly.
Rob_70
(8 posts)I'm still trying to rap my brain around this. The black men in my family definitely vote Biden/Harris. I believe some of them were influenced by 2 cents and lil Wayne.
Jspur
(578 posts)more so guys like Tariq Nasheed who is a radical extremist on youtube that has a large black following. Go spend some time watching either of these two videos I posted and you can see how black people can be manipulated by the propaganda Tariq is pushing. The type of propaganda he's pushing is what has caused some black men to switch over to Trump.
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I was not aware of this.
Jspur
(578 posts)for Trump. For those of you who don't know me I'm Indian American. I was born and raised in the US but my parents are from India. I'm not white so because of it I have seen black guys being comfortable around me that they feel they can open up about their political views. A lot of black guys I talked to feel the Democrats have hurt the black community with their push for feminism and that it has created a gender divide between men and women in their community. They feel the Democrats always take them for granted but don't do anything for them. There are some who don't like Biden because of his support of the crime bill. They are a lot of black men who don't like Kamala because she prosecuted black men when she was a DA. They also don't like how Kamala is with a white guy and look down on her for it. With that being said all the black guys I talked to still voted for Biden despite them having grievances with the democratic party.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)pure sexism
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TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)1) Are we seeing a genuine drop in male Black support among Democrats, or
2) Are we seeing just a drop in turnout among Black men likely to vote Democratic, and the Black men who always vote Republican are just making up a higher proportion of the vote.
or I suppose
3) These numbers are part of the polling error.
I do worry about the effects of what Black men see on social media. While I hate to stereotype, they tend to be less educated, and we have seen the effect that social media propaganda has had on less educated white voters.
Jspur
(578 posts)you made. I have talked to quite a few black guys who just don't believe in voting anymore. They know Trump is trash but their mentality is "The dems are not going to help me out either so why should I care. They can't help make my life better." You also having black youtubers pushing black people just not to vote at all and in some case vote Trump to punish the democrats for not doing enough for the black community. Go youtube Tariq Nasheed he is a big youtube political influencer. He has big following on twitter and youtube. This guy consistently trashes the democrat party and pushes his agenda which is that both parties are the same and don't care about black people. I fee like guys like Tariq have had a huge impact on black people. They are a lot of them all over social media.
TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)for the same reasons I do worry about the youth vote in general. I think Republicans have figured out good ways to micro target constituencies on social media and to either to get them to turn out or stay home.
Jspur
(578 posts)around 5-10 percent of a demographic to have effects on an election.
Jspur
(578 posts)the propaganda conservatives pushing online which is the democrats don't care about black people.
TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)the Democratic ads I saw on YouTube were amateurish compared to the Republican ones (or the ones put together by Republican Super Pacs). And this is in MN where we won comfortably.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)Sometimes the comments are better than the article.
mahina
(17,622 posts)Brooklyn its, but the Editor who included in t and the author who wrote it.
Barack Obama is a black man. Of course with our history its no surprise that black people would turn out in great numbers, and they did, and thank God they did. But this article has a little feeling in it like black people are supposed to save us, how come youre not saving us as much as they saved us that time? 80% isnt good enough ? Id be willing to bet that that is the highest percentage of any males. Am I only one who feels that?
Ill be much more interested in hearing in some doubts the arguments that really moved people to support Donald Trump. Very interesting conversation with a man here yesterday who is a Trump supporter and a landscape maintenance guy in a condo project. He makes 14.50/hr and gets his health insurance paid for because this is Hawaii and employers if full time workers have to do that.
He told me the reason he didnt want Joe Biden to win was because Joe Biden would increase capital gains taxes from 25 to 50%. We had a conversation about that, and about falsehoods.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)We'd be re-electing Hillary right now.
Turin_C3PO
(13,911 posts)Black men the villain is bullshit. Our biggest demographic problem is Whites, White males especially.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Along with completely misleading falsehoods about both of them on various things.
then there was the usual stuff around religion and tax cuts like any other conservative. The GOP targeted black men in several swing states to claim the Dems haven't done enough for their communities, which can be a compelling enough argument in some economically depressed areas of the upper midwest and southeast. Plenty of black business owners and workers were hit hard by the lockdowns this year. GOP encouraged people to blame Dems for it.
We can't really blame voters when it's up to our party to convince voters to vote for our candidates.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and it makes me sick that people believe whatever they're told. No thinking involved.