Can Trump win with 'fantasy' electors bid? State GOP says no
Source: AP
By BOB CHRISTIE and NICHOLAS RICCARDI
Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they wont participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their states electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.
State GOP lawmakers in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidates victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.
I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud which I havent heard of anything I dont see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors, said Rusty Bowers, Arizonas Republican House speaker, who says hes been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people.
The idea loosely involves GOP-controlled legislatures dismissing Bidens popular vote wins in their states and opting to select Trump electors. While the endgame was unclear, it appeared to hinge on the expectation that a conservative-leaning Supreme Court would settle any dispute over the move.
FILE - In this Nov. 8, 2020, file photo supporters of President Donald Trump protest the election outside of the Clark County Election Department in North Las Vegas. Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they wont participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their states electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House. (AP Photo/John Locher, File)
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mdbl
(4,973 posts)even though it blows my mind that this was an issue to even worry about.
AZ8theist
(5,452 posts)He has no integrity.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)dware
(12,355 posts)AZ8theist
(5,452 posts)oldsoftie
(12,527 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)we had a moral case given that Clinton won the popular vote. Not that it wouldve been legal but it would have represented the majoritys will.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts).... congressional investigations they might have to face.
Right? RoJo aka Ron Johnson has some explaining to do when it comes to his activities trying to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden.
He and Rudy G. deserve nothing less than Hillary emails, Benghazi, Trump's Spygate, and dozen of other repug hearings that turned up nothing!
Especially in comparison to a QUARTER of A MILLION Americans dying from Covid-19
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)First, we have this sentence:
I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud which I havent heard of anything I dont see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors, said Rusty Bowers, Arizonas Republican House speaker, who says hes been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene.
This shows that Republicans might have actually tried to flip electors if Trump had been able to show examples of fraud. Fortunately, Trump's lawyers have been unable to do that.
Then, we have these two sentences:
The idea loosely involves GOP-controlled legislatures dismissing Bidens popular vote wins in their states and opting to select Trump electors. While the endgame was unclear, it appeared to hinge on the expectation that a conservative-leaning Supreme Court would settle any dispute over the move.
So, we see that after GOP-controlled legislatures selected electors, in defiance of the will of the people, Team Trump figured that the Supreme Court would rule in Trump's favor when Biden's lawyers asserted that the move by legislatures was illegal. This is why it is great that Biden had a team of lawyers ready to jump on the phoney assertions of fraud from the very beginning. It might have worked too, if it weren't for all of those dang kids voting for Biden, working the polls, and being poll watchers.
Scooby-Dooby-Doo!
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Because it is not EXPLICITLY written that it can't be done... and STATES control the elections.
Close any loopholes that may ever be used to do an end run around the will of the people, by EITHER party.
We need to address every single "issue" that was considered because "it is not explicitly written". ESPECIALLY whether a sitting president (or ANY person) can NOT face charges for crimes committed WHEN the crimes occurred.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)say they will do something that is fair, just, decent, and honorable.
Long experience has proven to me that this is a wise position.
I'm watching my back, and will believe it when I see it.
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)however this was always an unlikely scenario. Im 95% sure the Supreme Court wouldnt have allowed anything like that.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)That will be very difficult to do.
They need to back up the U-Haul.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)think like that given how immoral and treacherous Trump and the GOP have been the last four years. But yeah, flipping electors was never gonna happen.
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Happen, I would be lying if I said there werent times I wasnt fearful they would try it.
My comment here is as much pointed at those that posted long diatribes about how this would happen with no proof. It really ramped up anxiety..and thats just wrong
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)people were making themselves sick with anxiety, saying they couldnt even sleep due to worry. I felt bad for them but they should have been more realistic and not believe far-fetched theories.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)I would much rather see what may be coming, rather than singing la la la la, with my fingers in my ears, and be blindsided.
I am in good company with Malcolm Nance. His opinion carries a LOT more gravitas than mine. Or yours.
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)who arent named Malcolm Nance who explained why those conspiracy theories would never happen. I respect Nance but hes not correct on everything.
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)To SCOTUS rulings, what gop legislative majority leaders were saying, or other sources Neil Kaytal, Joyce Aileen and even Malcolm Nance from his interviews with Stephanie Miller.
It was NEVER just my opinion...so please
conspiracy theories take legs very quickly and produced a lot of unnecessary anxiety..even here.
Here are the links I used repeatedly written by Laurence Tribe, UW law prof and others....if you care to educate yourself
https://verdict.justia.com/2020/09/30/no-republicans-cannot-throw-the-presidential-election-into-the-house-so-that-trump-wins
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/14/supreme-courts-faithless-electors-decision-validates-case-for-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact/
https://whyy.org/articles/as-legal-challenges-fizzle-pa-gop-reaffirms-it-will-not-seek-to-override-popular-vote/
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/10/pa-electoral-college-popular-vote/
https://www.wisn.com/article/gop-lawmaker-suggests-wisconsin-electors-choose-presidential-winner/34622122
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)for the Orange Loser in his waning days?
NCDem47
(2,248 posts)Future headlines:
"[FILL IN THE BLANK] starts to backpedal on earlier statements."
When somebody gets to them and just about twists their arm off.
LOTS of that going on in the last fiour years.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)Rebl2
(13,485 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)should be grounds enough for the EC to be abolished.
Cue the naysayers, "It Can't Be Done", "Constitutional Convention", "34 States Will Never", blah blah blah.
Things don't happen because they are never tried.
We should put Pete in charge of explaining everything. He could do it in a way that would allow everyone to see the danger of the EC, and cooperate in a solution that honors the "one person = one vote" ideal.
NOTHING happens if it is never tried. That is a basic tenet of the "conservative" philosophy. CHANGE is BAD. (Unless, of course, it will financially benefit the rich, and be paid for by the rest of us.)
crickets
(25,960 posts)whether you think it will be successful or not, is to try. The effort, and all that goes with it, is enough to start moving things in the right direction. First effort doesn't work? Try again. Eventually change happens, but not if no one tries.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)These people are zealots and useful idiots who are so firmly vested in their cause they could give two shits about anything remotely democratic.
onetexan
(13,035 posts)Justified the con's bad behavior.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)might never see that again in my lifetime.
Although far too many news sources are using the word "misinformation" for republican statements, rather than the more correct "disinformation " or "lie."
elleng
(130,861 posts)and thank YOU, O-Steve, for the info.