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George II

(67,782 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:41 PM Nov 2020

Michigan, national GOP seek to delay certification of election results

Source: The Detroit News

The state and national Republican parties have asked the Board of State Canvassers to delay certification of the state's election results in a bid to investigate "anomalies and irregularities" alleged to have occurred in Michigan's Nov. 3 election.

Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel asked the state to conduct a "full, transparent audit" before certification, noting other states like Georgia "have taken discretionary steps" in determining their results.

The Board of State Canvassers is scheduled to meet Monday to consider certification.

The request comes a day after Republican U.S. Senate candidate John James requested the same delay. James, a Farmington Hills business trails U.S. Sen. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township, by more than 92,000 votes in unofficial results after the 83 counties turned in their certified results, a gain for Peters of 9,000 votes from the preliminary results.

Read more: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/state-national-gop-seek-delay-certification-election-results/6373717002/



An interesting fact regarding audits:

"...under state law (MCL 168.31a) audits can only be conducted after the State Canvassers certify the election."


So these people are calling for state law to be ignored and in only one County! Good luck with that.


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Michigan, national GOP seek to delay certification of election results (Original Post) George II Nov 2020 OP
They know damed well that it's illegal. An audit can only happen after the vote is certified catbyte Nov 2020 #1
Yes, in fact I neglected to include a tweet stating just that. Another idiotic move by republicans. George II Nov 2020 #4
Mahalo for the tweet from Jocelyn Benson! Cha Nov 2020 #37
Jocelyn Benson don't play around... cheezmaka Nov 2020 #43
Aloha cheezmaka.. look at you Cha Nov 2020 #44
Aloha Cha! cheezmaka Nov 2020 #45
Now does everyone see why they try so hard to suppress voting? underpants Nov 2020 #2
Strip away voter suppression & dirty tricks to see that USA is basically liberal & progressive. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #3
No doubt. underpants Nov 2020 #7
After Covid is controlled, mail-in ballots will never come back Polybius Nov 2020 #11
They're like the Borg in Star Trek NCDem47 Nov 2020 #13
Colorado has had them for 10 years. efhmc Nov 2020 #17
I disagree Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #30
I agree with your disagreement underpants Nov 2020 #34
+ agree underpants. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #35
Truth orangecrush Nov 2020 #40
Republicans can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. dalton99a Nov 2020 #5
Is this ANOTHER way to get it to the SC? bluestarone Nov 2020 #6
I thought the same thing. NCDem47 Nov 2020 #8
I've been thinking the same thing. mindem Nov 2020 #10
What if it is? SCOTUS isn't going to rule on this...Neil Katyal President Obama's solicitor gen Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #18
Bush v. Gore? ret5hd Nov 2020 #36
I doubt it. We'll see. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #28
Fed up with this shit . . Iliyah Nov 2020 #9
Feel the same here. Depressing for sure. BUT that's their game plan. bluestarone Nov 2020 #12
Yea...... yea..... *nods w/tired and disgusted sigh Afromania Nov 2020 #14
Need to read this too. DownriverDem Nov 2020 #15
IMO They are laying the groundwork to declare they are the victims of a stolen election. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #16
Where's their proof?? Come on.. Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #20
Yes I know they have no proof. They are appealing to the True Believers in Trump's Death Cult GOP. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2020 #39
Yes It would. But it goes much better to have a Sacrificial Martyr for the crowd to identify with. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #42
Election law experts tell Michigan Board of Canvassers to certify election KatyBR Nov 2020 #19
Thank you! lucca18 Nov 2020 #24
These idiots clearly have no shame Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #21
Will this madness ever end? William769 Nov 2020 #22
What is the Republican end game? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #23
Another "there is voter fraud but we have no evidence of it" muntrv Nov 2020 #25
And only in one 90% African American county. George II Nov 2020 #26
The whole world birdographer Nov 2020 #29
Good thing we have a crack team of lawyers to stop this. jalan48 Nov 2020 #31
SORE LOSERMAN sandensea Nov 2020 #32
Fuck that shit. BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #33
Constiracy to obstruct a lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure TryLogic Nov 2020 #38
Redundant ailsagirl Nov 2020 #41
a couple of trump-pets or maybe strump-pets usajumpedtheshark Nov 2020 #46

catbyte

(34,373 posts)
1. They know damed well that it's illegal. An audit can only happen after the vote is certified
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020

according to Michigan law.

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Yes, in fact I neglected to include a tweet stating just that. Another idiotic move by republicans.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:48 PM
Nov 2020

underpants

(182,772 posts)
2. Now does everyone see why they try so hard to suppress voting?
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020

It’s simply not good for them and they know it.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
13. They're like the Borg in Star Trek
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:59 PM
Nov 2020

Using every opportunity to adapt to minimize future resistance.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
30. I disagree
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:33 PM
Nov 2020

I believe they are here to stay. Folks like to do things the easy way and it is easy to vote by mail.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
8. I thought the same thing.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:50 PM
Nov 2020

They need a lower court case (to rule against them???) so they can appeal to SC?

mindem

(1,580 posts)
10. I've been thinking the same thing.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:53 PM
Nov 2020

drumph has always been a little too out in the open about having the supreme court deciding the election. The whole repuke push to stack the courts is all about forcing their agenda even if they are in the minority.

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
18. What if it is? SCOTUS isn't going to rule on this...Neil Katyal President Obama's solicitor gen
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:35 PM
Nov 2020

says it would be highly doubtful they would even take the case

No laws have been broken, there’s no fraud, they have no proof...

Conservative or not, they aren’t wanting to be made fools of!

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
28. I doubt it. We'll see.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

The GOP is demanding a remedy not provided for in state law without providing anything more that speculation and innuendo to back up that demand. I can’t see how this rises to a federal case. But this is 2020.

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
12. Feel the same here. Depressing for sure. BUT that's their game plan.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 01:56 PM
Nov 2020

I have faith that it's all for their base. Joe's GOT THIS!! ( I really believe this)

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
15. Need to read this too.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 02:25 PM
Nov 2020

Even if Trump were to change the Michigan lawmakers’ minds on Friday, the Legislature can’t amend state law by fiat. A constitutional amendment has to be itself ratified by popular vote, and if it’s introduced in the Legislature, it first has to pass both houses by supermajority margins. The GOP possesses only a bare legislative majority in either house. Amendments to the election code, meanwhile, are subject to veto by the governor. In Michigan, that’s Democrat Gretchen Whitmer, a committed Trump antagonist who would inevitably veto any legislative attempt at the wholesale disenfranchisement of her constituents. Without supermajorities, Republican legislators alone are impotent to override her veto. From Raw Story

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
16. IMO They are laying the groundwork to declare they are the victims of a stolen election.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

To lock in the hatred and fear for another election cycle.

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
27. Yes I know they have no proof. They are appealing to the True Believers in Trump's Death Cult GOP.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

The GOP voters only need to hear that it is so from those who feed them the lies as Gospel. They have no capacity to accept facts that don't agree with their Dogma. That is how a cult works.
The point of the exercise is not to establish Trump as the actual winner by the process. It is to establish in the minds of the GOP voters that they were robbed and that the new president and government are lies designed to cheat them of whatever they imagine to be their right and due. They've been programmed for decades to see this as the only outcome if Democrats win. They don't see how their local or state resources are provided by that government. They completely misunderstand how Social Security, National Parks, or other federal programs work and have no idea how such institutions came to exist.

On that foundation the GOP leadership can expect to drive their voters to support any cause or policy, or resist the same. It will be an un-civil war for the next 2 and 4 year election cycle and probably beyond. That is why the GOP at any level has refused to accept the election results. That is why this Kabuki Theater continues.

When the entire GOP senate refused to accept testimony or evidence during the Impeachment it said it all. The House GOP did the same and I don't want to hear they are afraid of their voters. It isn't true to the degree we have been told. What they all see is a path to dominate government. The incredible greed behind this is stunning when you see it face to face, as I see it repeated among our county commissioners every week. The public are inconvenient to their version of progress and so are treated as small children who shouldn't question adults.

Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #27)

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
42. Yes It would. But it goes much better to have a Sacrificial Martyr for the crowd to identify with.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

When he is gone they can call his suffering retribution from those nasty Dems. Anything to amp up the sense of victim-hood and the melodrama which empowers those sad damaged white "Christians."

KatyBR

(183 posts)
19. Election law experts tell Michigan Board of Canvassers to certify election
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:36 PM
Nov 2020

Same details here.

Election law experts and civil rights advocates called on the Michigan Board of Canvassers to certify election results during an online press conference Friday, saying the canvassers' role is largely a technical one.

"Their duties are ministerial and they must act," John Pirich, an election law attorney who teaches at the Michigan State University College of Law, said during the press conference hosted by the Michigan ACLU. "It's so clear under the law what they have to do."...

Also on Friday, the staff of the Michigan Board of Canvassers released a report recommending that the 4-member board certify the election results, saying that the allegations of voting irregularities affecting results was not accurate.

Rebutting Trump's allegations of fraud in Detroit, the report said the city of Detroit had fewer problems with out-of-balance precincts this November election than in the August primary and the 2016 November general election. Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan made similar points earlier this week, saying the vote tally was 99.9% accurate.

[https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/20/certify-election-results-michigan-board-of-canvassers/6355742002/|

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
21. These idiots clearly have no shame
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:37 PM
Nov 2020

To the rest of us they look like fucking morons.

They better show proof of a lot of irregularities if they're going to override a 150,000 vote difference.

23. What is the Republican end game?
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:00 PM
Nov 2020

They aren't going to flip any states to Trump. The inauguration is January 20th, no matter what they do. Voters will not allow a coup -- the threat of massive protest against the people who certify the vote should deter any thoughts of ignoring the will of the people. What is all this crap about, other than sucking more money from Trump's supporters?

birdographer

(1,323 posts)
29. The whole world
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:31 PM
Nov 2020

knew there were nazis in the 40's. They knew what they were doing. And the whole world similarly knows there are republicans now, and they know what they are doing. Both will be remembered as evil and twisted.

TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
38. Constiracy to obstruct a lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:30 PM
Nov 2020

Treason - The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
41. Redundant
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:45 PM
Nov 2020

"anomalies and irregularities" mean the same thing

What is the synonym of anomaly?

SYNONYMS. oddity, peculiarity, abnormality, irregularity, inconsistency, incongruity, deviation, aberration, quirk, freak, exception, departure, divergence, variation. outlier, edge case. rarity, eccentricity.

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