Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI
Source: CNBC
President Donald Trump on Wednesday said that he had pardoned Michael Flynn, his first national security advisor, who pleaded guilty three years ago to lying to FBI agents.
The pardon came before a judge had ruled on a motion by the U.S. Justice Department to dismiss the case and to undo Flynn's guilty plea for making false statements to agent about the nature of his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the United States after Trump's election in 2016.
"It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to @GenFlynn and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!
Trump repeatedly has said he was considering granting the retired Army lieutenant general a pardon in the case.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-in-fbi-lie-case.html
AkFemDem
(1,823 posts)That he knows its over. I guess thats the silver lining here.
msongs
(67,365 posts)dware
(12,264 posts)if there's a chance of state charges related to the crimes he was pardoned for, then he can plead the 5th.
SayItLoud
(1,701 posts)dware
(12,264 posts)otherwise, it would be up to the presiding judge to determine if he can take the 5th.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)for another federal crime besides the one he was convicted of? Or does his pardon cover all federal crimes he may have committed and not been charged with?
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)will not likely survive so he will have to provide the answers a federal investigator might ask him as long as the questioning is carefully done.
Now if it was something involving a new federal case and he might have done something illegal then he can of course plead the 5th to protect himself but not when it is something that took place pre pardon.
Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)He has to answer the questions under oath without being able to invoke the 5th, but that is because it no longer applies. If he lies or is in contempt of court, those are matters for which he was not pardoned.
vishnura
(247 posts)onenote
(42,602 posts)The answer is: never.
One person has been executed (hung) for treason, and that was in 1862, which is, for most people, "long ago."
noneof_theabove
(410 posts)and didn't do your home work
June 19, 1953
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
Charge: conspiracy to commit espionage
Penalty: death by electric chair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
onenote
(42,602 posts)Different crimes.
I guess you slept through reading comprehension class.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,919 posts)the ultimate sentence - and there's no "pardon" for either of them!!!
George II
(67,782 posts)...(sorry, I'm angry) is pardoning traitors.
denbot
(9,898 posts)Put him under oath and force him to testify regarding any illegal activities witnessed, or face additional charges. This aint over.
CloudWatcher
(1,845 posts)If I were to wager, I'm guessing he was charged with some of the crimes he's committed, and that there is still a lot he can be charged with under an honest administration.
In any event, I'd suggest he stay away from windows. Putin doesn't like loose ends.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)rurallib
(62,387 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)I don't think he'll stick around to face charges unless he feels confident of beating the charges - and has enough money to cover his legal expenses. If it looks really bad for him, he'll slip away, if he can ditch the SS.
BumRushDaShow
(128,517 posts)And I assume many more criminals from the cabal will get their pardons! Am thinking Manafort possibly.
maxsolomon
(33,252 posts)This is going to be a vexing 2 months.
BumRushDaShow
(128,517 posts)At least there is a little light at the end of the tunnel -
Sneederbunk
(14,279 posts)dalton99a
(81,404 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)as long as pardonees (sic) are forbidden to ever work in government again.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)not the U.S.
maxsolomon
(33,252 posts)Flynn could easily be back in 2024.
EndlessWire
(6,460 posts)researching this Flynn guy way back in the first year. He was involved with some kind of AE consulting or arranging involving the nuclear energy deals that became apparent after awhile. This was around or during the campaign and inauguration of Trump, where he was wheeling and dealing in those lucrative investment scenarios. If you're President, you can get away with anything.
It doesn't pass the smell test.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)WVreaper
(620 posts)EarthFirst
(2,899 posts)This was the first of many.
MyOwnPeace
(16,919 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,553 posts)There are a lot of crimes that Flynn wasnt charged with, but there is ample evidence for.
Trump may have dug his own grave with this action.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)conduct unbecoming ,,,,,,,, i dont think a Prez pardon is valid for military law...
Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)kimbutgar
(21,056 posts)Speech today. Another mf45 distraction. But Flynn can be prosecuted for other stuff so hes not home free.
Plus his reputation is ruined and he is still a felon who is a traitor to our country. I hope he loses his military pension when he is convicted again.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,757 posts)Please proceed.
OhioTim
(257 posts)I predict Trump will pardon hundreds of people, including pre-emptive pardons for his kids, WH personnel, lying press secretary and anyone this scum has had any contact with.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)So it will be up to various states to bring these characters to justice if the states find anything on them.
Could individual citizens, or a citizen group, bring civil suits against some of Trump's people for damages done as a result of incompetence or malfeasance?
COL Mustard
(5,871 posts)And I think he's the dumbest Army 3-star I've known in the past 40 years.
Polybius
(15,336 posts)Or was he pardoned for something else?
COL Mustard
(5,871 posts)He was still convicted. Never let him forget it.
And Happy Thanksgiving!