Venezuela: Consulate officials in US threatened
Venezuela: Consulate officials in US threatened
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press
8:58 a.m., Jan. 15, 2012
CARACAS, Venezuela Venezuelan exiles with links to terrorism have threatened officials at the South American country's consulate in Miami, the foreign minister said Sunday.
Nicolas Maduro did not offer evidence of his claims, which came shortly after President Hugo Chavez said his government would close the consulate in response Washington's expulsion of a Venezuelan diplomat.
Maduro told the state-run AVN news agency that "a group of organizations bringing together Venezuelans who fled justice" in their homeland "have threatened not only the consul but the personnel at out consulate."
Maduro singled out a group called Venezuelan Persecution Victims in Exile, which had taken part in public demonstrations against the consul. Maduro said it sought to provoke the diplomatic spat and noted that the group's leader, Jose Antonio Colina, is wanted in Venezuela on terrorism-related charges of attacking the Spanish Embassy and Colombian consulate in 2003.
More:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/15/venezuela-consulate-officials-in-us-threatened/
Jose Antonio Colina, leader of the expat. group, Venezuelan Persecution Victims in Exile in Florida, standing with right-wing radical reactionary Cuban Republican Congressman Mario Dias-Balart. (Dias-Balart's father was an attorney for United Fruit in Cuba, then a member of the cabinet of butcher-killer/Mafia cohort, dictator Fulgencio Batista until the revolution threw them out of office.)
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)from its rightful owners.
They also hate his government policies to help the poor and not focus solely on the enrichment of the already rich.
And what has Chavez done? He has allowed them to own newspapers, radio and tv stations so they can broadcast all the lies and accusations they want. The people of Venezuela know who the *real* devils are (and it aint the Chavez government).
boppers
(16,588 posts)Jesus.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)There is one state tv station and numerous ones owned by the rich. What kind of evil authoritarian is this Chavez? He's allowing his opponents absolute freedom to spread all the lies and innuendo they want.
The answer: maybe those lies spread by the wealthy media owners aren't quite true???
boppers
(16,588 posts)Ayup.
How... gracious of him?
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)Please practice a bit before posting again.
A Dictator denies rights or grants them on his or her whim. A Democratically Elected Leader such as Chavez answers to the will of Venezuela's people, not just those wealthy enough to own newspapers and tv stations. Sorry if that seems so alien to you.
Were Chavez the Dictator your posts seem to imply he is, the owners and operators of these media outlets that are blatantly spreading lies and creating scandals out of whole cloth would not be freely walking about, would not be free to broadcast their filth and lies. That is the difference between a principled leader such as Chavez and a criminal organization such as Bush/Chaney and seemingly the entire batch of current Repukes.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Exactly. Rather than a free press where the leaders have no control, a dictator may, or may not, "let them" exist.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)The fact that the pro-Capitalista press exists is proof of the falsehood of your claim. You can't have it both ways.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Perez, Lepage, Caldera, etc, also "allowed" some dissent.
That didn't make them sterling democratic leaders, either, did it?
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)And the Chavez government has done more for the poor and small business than the wealthy oligarchs ever did or ever will. Period.
Play your little semantic games all you like. It does not change the truth.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Spin, honey, spin!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Oy vey. You aren't helping your very poor case at all.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If you aren't going to own your words, don't use them. That's how it works with adults.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)The other one just looks plain offensive.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Or maybe just south Florida.in a war on terrorism?
Nope, things don't work like that do they....instead we might invade his country and take it back for the corporation or corporations that used to own them.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)They'd be within their rights to launch missile attacks against the US. That is, if they played by the same rules that the US does.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)And, they're getting impatient.
Someone with a lick of sense would say, "Quick, put this guy onto a Venezuelan airliner or let him slip a magnet bomb on the Charge d'Affairs car.
"Or, throw them back into the sea."
Don't just let them hang around idle in the suburbs with C4 in their closets. We've seen what too much waiting can do to the Colinas and Diaz-Bolasts. They want to take over, and will, if you let them.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)really.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)This is probably a response to the much more serious and well-founded allegations that the Venezuelan
consul general was planning cyber attacks on the US government.
Hopefully, Chavez will lose the elections in October. Then the Venezuelan people can start rebuilding their country, and there will be no more nonsense like this.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)the US doesn't care if Ven closes its consulates.
roody
(10,849 posts)Latin America forum.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1108419
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)of the housing construction goal he established.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)So what's your point. The economy is the economy. If the government helps build housing that's great but if, as is the case in the USA, the private sector is 100% tasked with building everything in the infrastructure (governments don't build a thing here, just contract it out to private companies).
It's brilliant to have a much, much higher standard for Venezuela than the low, low standard we apply to the US.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)that is the point. Hugo didn't say, in collaboration with private developers we will build 150,000. the 150,000 houses were the government mission's goal. and its not an economic indicator in Venezuela, its an actual shortfall of housing.
personally, I don't want to live in government financed housing developments, nor do I.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)There are varying statistics but the article mentioned that they achieved 96% of their goal... in a single year. I applaud the Chavez government for focusing on bettering the lives of the people and not enriching the thieving upper class.
BTW, you are free to live anywhere you like. Perhaps a cardboard box with a burlap flap for a door is preferable to a comfortable and safe house built by the "gubmint" folks.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)but if you know of some houses built by the "gubmint" that are safe and comfortable, let me know and I'll look into it.
he included private housing and refurbished housingas new units because the actual housing construction numbers were not close to the goal.
well, if the government isn't meeting what is required and promised then I do not applaud the efforts as they are insufficient. feel free to google "housing shortage in Venezuela". here is a start
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/27/venezuela-housing-crisis-_n_1171386.html
the government including existing refurbished houses and private sector construction to mask the failure of the government to deliver.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)And if there is a housing shortage it is because of past right wing governments and lax building codes. Natural disaster struck there and caused much of the displaced as well. We do no better here. Look at Katrina and the Formaldehyde trailers built by unscrupulous companies operating under zero government oversight.
Take the case of Haiti versus Chile which both suffered the same earthquake but Chile had strong government regulations and adequate building codes. Chile had comparatively negligible damage and deaths compared to the Libertarian, small government/incompetent government in Haiti -- which is what the Republican Party wants to bring here to America... and have succeeded in certain aspects of it. Haiti is still in shambles, years after the quake. That is the difference between right wing un-government versus a government that actually cares about its people and has the power to enforce a certain fair and rightful standard.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)thanks for the fascinating analysis on politics. It would then follow unless you want the US to end up like Haiti then vote for Obama
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)I'm not going down a rabbit hole of "if then not that" hypotheticals with you. Play those games with your cohorts, I have no time for it.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)I will certainly keep that in mind. I am not interested in living in a dump like Haiti.
you on the other hand can vote for anyone you please, even Hugo. I wonder how many American idiots actually do vote for Hugo.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)And I want to apologize to all Haitians and all my friends for using that tragedy as an example of right wing, conservative, pro-corporate, pro-wall street policies allowed to go on too long. It's a hurtful truth and my heart goes out to those STILL suffering from the earthquake and inept attempts at rebuilding. People still don't have clean water to drink, and are getting sick because of it. People are still living in makeshift shelters, conditions there are primitive for millions of people.
That is what you get when there is no government regulation to stop unscrupulous business practices.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)and a stable society that enables business to thrive.
yeah, I don't think Haiti is a very good example of a capitalist system. No country would be capitalist if Haiti was given as the example.
I always thought that lack of enforcement of government regulations and laws was a a main problem with developing countries, not for lack of written guidelines. People tend to follow laws and regulations when they are enforced, not because politicians pass laws and bureaucrats write regulations.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)One would think... but apparently not since here we sit (depending on whom you ask) either at the tail end or smack dab in the middle of the worst worldwide economic crash since the 1930s. I wouldn't call that "stable" would you?
And if you listen to the Repuke politicians, an un-government such as was in place in Haiti is EXACTLY what they are calling for.
This isn't fr so go peddle your right wing platitudes elsewhere.
rms013
(119 posts)Nationalist's always are a threat to imperialists. A pattern of demonization by corporate controlled media feeds the bs machine in this country.
The US record in the Western Hemisphere speaks for itself. Exploitation, support of dictatorships, School of the Americas, plundering resources, environmental damage, mass murders, disappearances, economic starvation (IMF), overthrowing democratically elected governments (Haiti, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala most recently Venezuela (the US backed Coup that failed)and a host of others. Since I referred to the Western Hemisphere may I also add the policies of this country towards all except Canada reeks of racism too.
If Chavez or his party is thrown out of office the country will surely be rebuilt in the image of Chile after the coup.
In my life time the US justified their anti populace actions by using the cold war fight against the "spread of communism" when in fact it was and still is the threat of nationalism.
The US doesn't fight wars or support countries because we want to spread democracy, we do so because it is in the corporate interest(s). Iraq....Oil. Afghanistan....Trans Afghan NG pipeline.
Please provide me with the information thread on this "well founded" allegation of the planning of Cyber Attacks . The reason for the all this bs is because the Iranian President met with Chavez in Venezuela. Oh and if you didn't know this: the democratically elected president of Iran was deposed by a CIA coup in 1953. The Iranian people suffered under the iron fist of the Shah (whom we installed) they revolted, took over the US embassy and the rest is history.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)That's basically a smoking gun, implicating Livia Acosta Noguera in an attempt to get sensitive information about US nuclear plants.
Imperialistic or not, the US has nothing to do with the bad economic and political situation in Venezuela. Here's a news article from El Universal that reports that things are not that good in Venezuela as some want us to believe:
A look back at 2011
Source: El Universal
An unheralded murder rate and a record-breaking number of protests, in addition to prolonged food shortages, round up a year in which President Chávez faced a new, unforeseeable foe
One scandal after another, accusation after accusation, drama, surprise, compromises, tragedy. Venezuela has become a country of constant upheaval, and the year about to end was filled with suspense. The following list is not comprehensive; it is merely a digest of some of the issues likely to be on the 2012 agenda.
An illness
At roughly 9 p.m. on July 30th, it was none other than Hugo Chávez himself who confirmed what had turned into an uncontrollable rumor. In a nationwide radio and television address, but broadcasted from Havana unlike most, he seemed beside himself: troubled, paused, thin and distressed, as he read a brief speech in which he acknowledged that doctors had found "the presence of an abscessed tumor with cancerous cells" in his body.
Read more: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/111231/a-look-back-at-2011
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:28 AM - Edit history (1)
Is there any point in quoting a right rag against a left wing government ?
For the griff on Univison see Judi's post here from a week ago : http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=20755
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Shooting the messenger won't help.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)His policies have been for the overall good of the majority of the population.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)You don't believe everything said about Pres. Obama by right wing talking heads, Faux News, etc., now do you?
Just because some rich a-holes want to smear a popular and populist President doesn't make a word of it the truth.
vminfla
(1,367 posts)When you are working for an embassy, don't get caught plotting cyber crimes.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)Do I care if a doctored or purely acted out video shows some kind of "evil plot" against the interests of Corporate World Government? Not one bit.
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)and his allies distributed, with personal appearances on tv and general hysterial which resulted in ACORN getting destroyed long before it was determined the whole thing had been heavily edited and manipulated to create an illusion.
And they walked away from that filthy crime sneering to continue their slimey work for the right.
If the right can't win by stealing, lying, assassinating, they easily can manage bogus "evidence." Scums of the earth.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)There is a story elsewhere on DU asking why he (O'Keefe) is not arrested for voter fraud. I don't know the specifics but I wouldn't put anything past a psychotic right winger such as him.
(failed link was supposed to go here... DU didn't like it apparently. Sorry)
Search DU search box for James O'Keefe
vminfla
(1,367 posts)If you have any evidence to suggest that the unedited video taped confession is bogus, please present it. However, do not dismiss evidentiary-based information merely because it does not coincide well with your world view.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)Give me a month with you and the assistance of a seasoned CIA deprogrammer and you'll be singing like a bird.
And you have no idea what this "confessor's" motivations are. The US embassy staff have been caught trumping up false info about Chavez administration so if you can't trust the "most trustworthy" of our advisors in an area I'm not surprised that they found someone with an axe to grind or who is mentally unstable.
But some people's mind is made up so no facts, no volumes of information about the CIA destabilization efforts in the region, including training the most despicable and inhumane torture techniques to Pro-Capitalist Militants in Nicaragua and Columbia and setting them off on a reign of terror against civilians, no actual truth can crack the shell of "so-called truth" some have built up.
I feel sorry for folks like that.
vminfla
(1,367 posts)Occam's Razor here. We can believe in a vast right wing conspiracy that manipulated this poor lass into talking about cyber terrorism and catching it on film .... or we can acknowledge that the Venezualan government is no better than any other government and behind the happy facade that Chavez portrays, there is a dark underbelly.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)And the wealthy-owned press in Venezuela going on a non-stop propaganda campaign of fiction has colored the world's opinion of the Chavez government. It is meaningless to those who seek the truth.
Is *any* government perfect, every individual of sterling character and above reproach? Not the US. Not the UK. Not any other nation either.
So what, exactly, have you added to the discussion???
vminfla
(1,367 posts)Hospitals closing or are crime ridden and physicians emigrating out of the country or leaving the profession. But, these are merely statements of facts and not anti-Chavez propaganda. I do not know of any concerted effort for anti-chavez propaganda from official US Government agencies other than reiterating facts that Chavez supporters would rather not have diseminated.
vminfla
(1,367 posts)From your wiki article: 70% of modules are abandoned, doctors are defecting......that is almost exactly what I said. Are you stating that because the information was found on wiki, it is ipso facto false? Granted, wiki does have an accuracy issue, especially when it comes to politics. But wiki, is merely confirming what is already published in wikileaks. In turn, I shared the information from wikileaks.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)s
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)In July 2007, Douglas León Natera, chairman of The Venezuelan Medical Federation, reported that up to 70% of the modules of Barrio Adentro have been either abandoned or were left unfinished .[20]
In some cases it is said that elected opposition officials have tried to impede or close existing Missions. In 2006 Chávez accused the governor of Zulia state of impeding Barrio Adentro there.[21] In Miranda state in February 2009 the governor was reported to have tried to evict a 25-person Barrio Adentro mission to make room for office space.[22][23]
...
In August 2006 the United States under George W. Bush created the Cuban Medical Professional Parole program, specifically targeting Cuban medical personnel and encouraging them to defect when they are working in a country outside of Cuba.[16] According to a 2007 paper published in The Lancet medical journal, "growing numbers of Cuban doctors sent overseas to work are defecting to the USA".[17][18] Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew.[17]
In February 2010 seven Cuban doctors who defected to the US introduced an indictment against the governments of Cuba and Venezuela and the oil company PDVSA for what they considered was a conspiracy to force them to work under conditions of "modern slaves" as payment for the Cuban government' debt.[19]
So you're spewing right wing propaganda right out of Karl Rove's play book. Nice. That'll sway the audience here on DU.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)that really says more about Cuba than Venezuela. while Cuban doctors provide valued service in the barrios, reports such as that posted, show the Ven medical system in shambles particularly with regards to hospitals due to the inept Chavez administration in large part.
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)"Inept Chavez administration?" ... Proof? Nada
"Ven medical system in shambles?" ... Proof? Nada
I happen to know that economic disparity between the poor and rich in Venezuela is less than in America. That's what really pisses off the thieves and con artists on the right wing.
vminfla
(1,367 posts)Thus far, everything you have stated has confirmed that Venezuala is the personal fiefdom of Hugo Chavez and that Liberty is secondary to the machinations of his regime.
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)Crappy schemes like this go on toward every leftist leader, and have been utilized at least all the way back to 1954 Guartemala, in the Western hemisphere, by all means, when they were able to take out Guatemala's very popular leftist good president Jacobo Arbenz.
They add to their filthy playbook continually. A million dirty tricks, but always the same motivation, same goal, and same vacuum of ethics, cold, slithery, self-important a-holes that they are.
You may recall the story a few years ago when a Cuban woman came in with her husband to Miami International, with her two kids. As soon as their plane touched down, he told her he wanted to go live with his parents, and that she was on her own.
She got a job in Florida, worked hard, trying to support her two children alone, then mentioned to people with whom she worked she wished she hadn't left Cuba. They started agitating against her, and got her financial support for housing, food stamps, free medical treatment for her family, etc., etc. (which are available to ALL Cubans who make it from Cuba to U.S. soil without being intercepted by U.S. Coast Guard, and returned) and she realized she would be destroyed in Miami, and moved to Texas.
She struggled there, then, in a deep depression, called the police and told them to come get her children, as she was going to kill herself. She survived, and the children were taken by the state, then returned to Miami.
Joe Cubas, a former baseball scout who haunted the Cuban baseball players all over the world, trailing after them to games at Olympic games, etc., etc., and moving them off to the side, seducing them with booze and food, then talking them into coming to the U.S., and arranging to get them here, heard about the little girl, and started procedures to adopt her.
Her mother, who had survived her attempt, told authorities she would like the children to return to their home country. The kids had different fathers, the girl's father, a farmer in Cuba.
The Florida media immediately started playing up the difference between Joe Cubas, a very wealthy man, and the girl's father, an humble farmer. They made fun of him, calling him a "pig farmer." (They forgot to mention Joe Cubas had been banned from contacting the American baseball organization ever again, as he had lost a lawsuit brought by the Cuban baseball players when they discovered he had ripped them all off after they got here. So he sells real estate in Miami, now, and is considered a local hero.)
The Miami Cuban "exile" community (deep ties for decades to the CIA, of course) tried to bribe the girl's father, (when he came to Miami to try to get legal guardianship of his own daughter and take her home) with $1,000,000.00 to stay in this country.
The case got badly handled, the state government manipulated things until Joe Cubas got 50% control of the girl, but they claimed the girl had to stay in the states for a long time, anyway, then maybe Cubas and his wife, although they had known her only a brief time, would come and get her from her Cuban father for their own time with her. Dirty business. It was a hot topic in Florida throughout the trial, and the successive crappola.
Cuba gives these doctors a free medical education, then makes the simple request they work in Cuba for a period of time. It only is right, after all.
Cuba also takes medical students from the U.S., Latin America, the islands, Africa, etc., educates them on full scholarships at the University of Havana medical school, and requests they return to their own communities and work within their own communities, among those who cannot afford doctors, for a given period of time. Samed damned thing.
Quite a few young U.S. American doctors who could never have afforded to attend college at all on their own power have returned to their cities and entered practise over the last decade or more.
We never hear anything the politically driven media will say on the deeper, more important aspects of Cuba's arrangement with doctors. It wouldn't fit the bogus yarn the propagandists hatched long ago. They only way you learn about the truth behind the lies is to dive in and start reading and researching every way possible, listening to everything you hear connected to it, and it may take years, but once you see the underlying reality you are NOT going to forget it. Everything the slimey spinners attempt to ram down your throat, every dirty attack they heave at you just slides away. We all know what they're trying to do.
Don't ever give up looking for the truth. It's the only thing of value.
Thanks so much for your clear head, and your unwillingness to be duped.
(The Cuban medical system still attracts so many Cuban students. What they decide to do after graduation is a very clear way to separate those who really seek to advance healing arts from the others.
This concept drives right-wingers insane, apparently!
As we knew long ago, Cuba is respected all over the world for it's amazing medical work among human beings. Those who don't get seduced are highly regarded by people of good will.)
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Here's a corporate media story on the story from the New York Times:
8 Years After Elián, a Cuban Custody Battle
By TERRY AGUAYO
Published: September 2, 2007
MIAMI, Sept. 1 Almost eight years after the custody battle over Elián González took center stage here, a similar situation involving another Cuban child is playing out in a local courtroom.
The dispute this time involves a 4-year-old girl who came to the United States from Cuba in 2005 with her mother and her 13-year-old half-brother. At issue is whether the girls father, a Cuban farmer who arrived in Miami in June with his wife and 7-year-old daughter to fight for his younger daughters custody, is fit to raise her.
The father, Rafael Izquierdo, allowed the girls mother to take her to the United States, but several months after her arrival, the mother attempted suicide and the state Department of Children and Families took custody of the two children.
The children, who have different fathers, were placed in foster care, and since April 2006 the girl has been in the care of Joe Cubas, a wealthy real estate developer and former sports agent, and his wife. The boy, whose father had surrendered parental rights, was formally adopted by the Cubases, who also want to adopt the girl. Mr. Cubas, who is well known in the Cuban-American community here for helping star baseball players defect to the United States in the 1990s, has the support of the Department of Children and Families in his effort.
More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/us/02adopt.html
[center]~ ~ ~ ~[/center]
Last Updated: Tuesday, 28 August 2007, 16:10 GMT 17:10 UK
Cuba custody case before US court
~snip~
Florida officials on Monday argued that Joe Cubas and his wife should be allowed to start adoption proceedings for the girl, who has not been named.
They said Mr Izquierdo, a farmer from the central Cuban village of Cabaiguan, had abandoned his child by allowing her to come to the US and was negligent in failing to send financial support.
A lawyer for Mr Izquierdo said he had let his former girlfriend take the girl to the US when she was granted a visa in 2004 because he wanted a better life for his daughter.
He could not have predicted that the girl's mother would attempt suicide, his lawyer argued.
More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6967155.stm
boppers
(16,588 posts)As soon as the state is more important than the rights of the individual citizens, all kinds of nasty things start to seem "rational"..... like doling out human rights as if they weren't rights, like seizing people's property and possessions for "the good of the people", like eliminating judges who "defy the state", like requiring media to run specific kinds of programming, like internally violent police and military authority, paranoid leaders, isolated diplomacy, etc.
In other words: Iran, Cuba, 30's Germany, USSR, etc. Venezuela's getting there.
You know what the Nazi's were called? The National Socialist Workers Party. Nationalism and socialism are often a dangerous mix, because there is no check against state abuse, because, by definition, the state is not capable of evil.
That being said, even Chavez is noticing problems, and he's working on reining in the abuses as he comes to grip with them (recent example includes looking into police corruption as a source of rampant crime).
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)It's easy to win a fictitious argument when you create it out of whole cloth. Chavez is not a Nationalist, he is a Leftist and a Populist. The hatred against him comes from his focus on bettering the lives of the poor and middle class in Venezuela. Part of that hatred came from his policy of taking back stolen land rights and giving them back to the people who actually own that land instead of the wealthy thieves who took the land at the point of a gun.
PS, police corruption exists in every country that has a monetary system. Some people are too weak minded to be able to resist the chance to enrich themselves by breaking their code of ethics or behavior. Where is there police corruption? The USA, the UK, the EU, Russia, China, Canada, Mexico... etc., till I've listed every nation in the world. I.e. it's a non-issue and just fodder for the anti-Chavez right wing nutjobs.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Police corruption is everywhere, but to make it exceptionally vile, you have to believe that your "nation" is good, and not inherently corruptible.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Crime_and_punishment
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)and not the wealthy. Thus the constant barrage of propaganda against him, his initiatives, twisting the numbers to "report" the failure of his policies coming from the wealthy-owned and controlled "press" in Venezuela. I believe the anti-Chavez press about as much as I believe Faux so-called News. Same play book, same crappola. Others can believe whatever they want, I don't care.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Heh.
Maybe I'm old, but I learned to laugh at such a bizarre statement when I was young.
For *which* people? For how long? How is it "for" the people? Is it all people, or just some?
txlibdem
(6,183 posts)Be it old or young, laughing is good medicine so I'm glad you can laugh. My question is whether there is a dark fear for what the afterlife holds for you hiding in the recesses of your heart as you outwardly laugh.
Again, semantic games are not something I'm interested in.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Why yes, he IS!
http://www.feedharvest.com/item/read/1965856
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)It goes beyond that to mega-creepy she-wolf Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, all of them rabid radical reactionary "exiles."
Absolutely poison to real Democrats, those 3 "exile" wingers.
What a shame she has surrendered her will to them! Maybe she's afraid of getting car bombed, in the area the F.B.I. once named "America's Terror Capital."
UTUSN
(70,681 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the miami variety that is. anything right-wing and scummy in latin america will usually have a connection to them.