AP's top editor calls for probe into Israeli airstrike
Source: AP
By HOPE YEN
WASHINGTON (AP) The Associated Press top editor on Sunday called for an independent investigation into the Israeli airstrike that targeted and destroyed a Gaza City building housing the AP, broadcaster Al-Jazeera and other media, saying the public deserves to know the facts.
Sally Buzbee, APs executive editor, said the Israeli government has yet to provide clear evidence supporting its attack, which leveled the 12-story al-Jalaa tower.
The Israeli military, which gave AP journalists and other tenants about an hour to evacuate, claimed Hamas used the building for a military intelligence office and weapons development. Israeli military spokesman Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus said Israel was compiling evidence for the U.S. but declined to commit to providing it within the next two days.
Were in the middle of fighting, Conricus said Sunday. Thats in process and Im sure in due time that information will be presented.
The building housing the offices of The Associated Press and other media in Gaza City collapses after it was hit by an Israeli airstrike Saturday, May 15, 2021. The attack came roughly an hour after the Israeli military warned people to evacuate the building, which also housed Al-Jazeera and a number of offices and apartments. There was no immediate explanation for why the building was targeted. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-government-and-politics-abd641af1607fbae7f49e1cce7dbc49e
multigraincracker
(32,674 posts)from that building?
WHITT
(2,868 posts)not even the fascist Likud makes that claim. They only falsely claimed Hamas had an 'intelligence office' in the building, but the owner of the building calls that allegation nonsense.
Clearly the fascist Likud didn't want the AP, the BBC, Al Jazeera, and other journalist offices in the building reporting on their War Crimes.
multigraincracker
(32,674 posts)the prompt reply.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)And you know this is false how?
The building owner would say whatever Hama's wants him to if he wants to keep breathing.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)housing journalists and apartment dwellers because they think there is an office inside it with some intelligence people.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Hama's ever warn anybody about anything before they fire rockets at it?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)EX500rider
(10,839 posts)That would be up to the IDF to decide.
TheRickles
(2,058 posts)and target them wherever they live; meetings of Hamas members might be held in their living rooms, etc, etc.. In other words, there's no line they wouldn't cross. This bombing "coincidentally" ensures that potentially critical press coverage will be minimized. Sorry - it doesn't pass the smell test.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Mosby
(16,302 posts)So its just going to be theater.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Their citizens will care. US citizens will care.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)They can still be found guilty of War Crimes. High government officials would have to be careful traveling outside of Israel.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Obviously the Israeli's will argue that it does not violate any laws.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to keep from going to prison for corruption.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)only started bombarding Gaza after Hamas started shooting missiles at innocent Israeli citizens.
As far as Bibi's legal problems go, this is just my opinion but I don't think he will ever see a day in prison regardless of how this current crisis plays out.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to keep the conflict going for the purpose of holding on to their power.
For Trump, Hamas, and Bibi, it is always January 6th.
By Thomas Friedman
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/opinion/israel-netanyahu-hamas.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Just as a mob was unleashed by President Donald Trump to ransack our Capitol on Jan. 6 in a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and prevent a healing unifier from becoming president, so Bibi and Hamas each exploited or nurtured their own mobs to prevent an unprecedented national unity government from emerging in Israel a cabinet that for the first time would have included Israeli Jews and Israeli Arab Muslims together.
Like Trump, both Bibi and Hamas have kept power by inspiring and riding waves of hostility to the other. They turn to this tactic anytime they are in political trouble. Indeed, they each have been the others most valuable partner in that tactic ever since Netanyahu was first elected prime minister in 1996 on the back of a wave of Hamas suicide bombings.
No, Hamas and Bibi dont talk. They dont need to. They each understand what the other needs to stay in power and consciously or unconsciously behave in ways to ensure that they deliver it.
The latest rerun of their long-running nasty show is happening now because both were staring at an amazing breakthrough shaping up between Israeli Jews and Israel Arab Muslims and, like the pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, they wanted to destroy the possibility of political change before it could destroy them politically.
SNIP
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)suppressing the media.
AP would not knowingly operate in any building that Hamas was using for any purpose. The Israeli military will never provide any evidence the building was used by Hamas.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)1) The owner of the building, who would know, said the allegation by the fascist Likud is nonsense, and your ridiculous charge about the owner is beyond silly.
2) The Associated Press says they've never seen any evidence of a Hamas office, the BBC says they've never seen any evidence of a Hamas office, and Al Jazeera says they've never seen any evidence of a Hamas office.
3) The fascist Likud has a long track record of lying like normal people breathe. NuttyYahoo was just on 'Face the Nation' today, LYING HIS ASS OFF, over and over and over again.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Last edited Mon May 17, 2021, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)
Right cause no one in Gaza is afraid of Hama's they are just some boy scout charity org....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Extrajudicial_killings_of_rivals
Hamas is "listed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and the EU.
The United States outlawed Hamas in 1995, as did Canada in November 2002. The European Union outlawed Hamas's military wing in 2001 and included Hamas in its list of terrorist organizations in 2003. Hamas challenged this decision but it was upheld by the European Court of Justice in July 2017. Japan, New Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom, among others have designated the military wing of Hamas as a terrorist organization.The organization is banned in Jordan.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)1) Wikipedia is merely opinion.
2) According to the 'Geneva Declaration on Terrorism', which the U.S. is a signatory to, fighting back against Illegal Military Occupation is most definitely NOT "terrorism", no matter how many times the fascist Likud lies and claims otherwise.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Last edited Mon May 17, 2021, 11:03 PM - Edit history (1)
The Israeli's pulled out of Gaza in 2005, it is not under military occupation. If it was the Israelis would have to have troops stationed inside Gaza...they do not. Them fortifying their border with the terrorist group that governs next door is not surprising. And Gaza shares a border with Egypt so they are not even surrounded by the Israelis.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Your faulty personal "definitions" do not comport with international law and UN Resolutions.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Definitions or UN resolutions showing military occupation does not require military in the country they're occupying
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Sure if you pretend to ignore the footnotes showing source material.
Studies have show it to be about as reliable as a standard encyclopedia.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Given the ability to edit at the drop of a hat, "wikipedia" and "reliable" are mutually exclusive.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)You know with links to the source material
orangecrush
(19,544 posts)But your posts seem to have a propagandist ring to them, at least to my ears.
It doesn't help your position.
George II
(67,782 posts)Officials in more than one government office confirmed that US President Joe Bidens phone call to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday was, in part, about the bombing of the building, and that Israel showed Biden and American officials the intelligence behind the action.
We showed them the smoking gun proving Hamas worked out of that building, a senior diplomatic source said. I understand they found the explanation satisfactory.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the sources remark, when asked about The Jerusalem Posts reporting in an interview with US TV show Face the Nation.
More:
Netanyahu also remarked that there were no deaths whatsoever from the strike on the building, because of measures Israel takes to avoid harming civilians, including giving an advance warning.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Gaza last had a election when? 2006
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.
Hama's fits that description very well. Israel not at all.
There are no polital parties on the planet to the right of the RightWing Extremist Fascist Likud.
Not my job to defend Hamas, but clearly they are nowhere on the RightWing spectrum.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)What liberal or left-wing positions do you believe they hold?
Pro women's rights no, pro-abortion no, pro-democracy no, pro-religious freedom no, pro trans rights no, pro abolishment of death penalty no, etc
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)The Israeli government didn't seem to care about consequences when they attacked the USS Liberty so I highly doubt they will care about the hand-wringing of journalists over an empty building being blown up.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Israel is free to do what they want, because they don't care what the world thinks.
Stories like this bombing take hold because the news business has to fill up the 24x7 news programs.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)The hand-wringing over this strikes me as peculiar, given that the IDF gave AP and other news orgs a heads up that the building was going to be hit with an airstrike. They had plenty of time to evacuate their personnel and equipment. That doesn't seem to me like IDF were "targeting" journalists, since no journalists were injured or killed.
If they'd hit the building with an airstrike and then said, "Oh gosh, we had no idea there were journalists in there," that'd be something else altogether.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)It also clearly inhibits their reporting of the fascist Likud's War Crimes. So they committed a War Crime to diminish journalists ability to report their War Crimes.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)to diminish their ability to report your War Crimes is a War Crime. Yes.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)I already know it's a War Crime, and the head of the Associated Press just publicly confirmed it's a War Crime. If you want to read the specific convention, knock yourself out.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)A statement from the head of the AP isn't proof. If the Israelis had blown up a building full of journalists while attacking Hamas, you'd have a point.
But they didn't, so you don't.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)I already know it's a War Crime.
The AP already knows it's a War Crime.
Amnesty International already knows it's a War Crime.
I don't need to jump through hoops.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)That's how it works. I'm not doing your homework for you. If you can't or don't wanna, that's fine. Blowing up an empty building isn't a war crime just because you think it is. Show me some proof for the claim.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)that's your prerogative.
I don't jump through hoops on demand for easily available and already well-known facts.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)Show me where blowing up an empty building without any casualties is a war crime. You could have done that two posts ago. Instead, you went to a lot of effort to avoid going through that effort. Are your fingers broken?
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)...will continue to duck that question.
They have also said:
Unguided rockets CANNOT POSSIBLY be a "direct attack on civilians"
and that Gaza is under a "Illegal Military Occupation" even though the Israeli's pulled out in 2005. Apparently they "occupy" it from across the border...lol
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15437240
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)I can't imagine for a moment that Hamas would hide behind foreign journalists. After all, it's not as if they hide behind their own women and children, is it?
Hamas deliberately launching rockets from schools and hospitals into civilian areas? Not a war crime.
Israel warns the occupants of the building that a strike is coming, gives them an hour to evacuate, then blows up an empty building? OMG war crime!!1oneeleven
Hamas cares more about killing Jews than they do about protecting their own people. If they don't care, why should the Israelis? The fact that Israel bothers at all says a lot, in my opinion.
EXACTLY! LOL!
The IDF pulled out, but they barricaded the borders, militarized the checkpoints, blockaded the sea, control the Palestinian airspace, and control all the utilities and water & sewer services.
They turned Gaza into the largest outdoor prison on the planet.
It's STILL Illegal Military Occupation.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)It's right there in the title.
And Gaza shares a border with Egypt which Israel does not control.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Except there is no UN Resolution calling Gaza under foreign military occupation...because it isn't...unless you want to count the Iranian backed Hamas and Islamic Jihad groups as the occupier's, which I am sure some Gazan's do.
Remain Uninformed If You Choose
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)So I gather you can't find a UN resolution to support your military occupation theory. Color me surprised
WHITT
(2,868 posts)I didn't have the time. Now given your belligerence, I just don't care.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)You had the time to comment twice. Simply providing the proof to back up your assertion would have been far less effort. Instead, though, you duck the question and then bemoan the "belligerence" of someone who merely asked you to back up your assertion. Telling, that.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)in, is very likely one yes.
It was offices and residential. How many people lost years of work? How much valuable equipment and files were destroyed? How many people were unemployed and made homeless?
AP has called for an independent international investigation into this, because they're fucking investigative journalists, and they did years of security checks for possible terrorism in the building because they didn't want to put their staff at risk. They found none.
I trust AP's word on this a lot more than I trust Netanyahu's government, because only the latter has reason to lie. LOTS of reason to lie.
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-government-and-politics-abd641af1607fbae7f49e1cce7dbc49e
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Not just AP and Al-Jazeera, but lots of other media outlets had offices in that building.
There is NO credible evidence released that Hamas had any presence there at all. It's just IDF saying "we say so, so it must be true."
I don't take IDF's press releases at face value without evidence.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)Giving people an hour to evacuate ahead of an airstrike is a war crime? It's a war crime because people lost stuff? It's a war crime because people are homeless now? By your logic, just about every airstrike is a war crime, then.
Israel shared their intelligence with the US government. You'd think the Biden administration would have commented on an obvious war crime, don't you? But they haven't.
Israel is under no obligation to share their intelligence with you, the AP, Al Jazeera, or any other news organization.
By the way, Hamas is launching unguided rockets and deliberately targeting civilian areas. Seems awful war-crimey, doesn't it?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The Israeli Government has no problem with this.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Actually they do have a problem with it, that's why they are attacking Hama's infrastructure to prevent the Hama's targeting of Israeli civilians with mass rocket attacks.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and claiming otherwise. As to "mass rocket attacks", there are remarkably few casualties.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)If Israel was targeting civilians there would be 1,000's of casualties, not scores.
There wouldn't be any if the terrorist group Hamas did not purposely use civilian human shields.
Also taking Hamas civilian casualty reports at face value is ridiculous, I believe their reports like I do other terrorist groups like the Taliban and ISIS, may be a grain of truth but you can bet they inflate the numbers for a PR bonus.
As to "mass rocket attacks", there are remarkably few casualties.
How would you quantify thousands of long range rockets fired into Israel? A few?
Remarkably few casualties because between Iron Dome missile defense and bomb shelters the Israelis are prepared for Hamas trying to kill as many Israeli civilians as they can.
Just because Hamas is bad at it does not change what they are trying to do.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)Seems to me Israel goes out of its way not to target civilians as much as they can, given that they warn occupants to leave ahead of airstrikes. Hamas also cowers behind their own women and children, so it's 100% on brand for them to hide behind foreign journalists.
Speaking of targeting civilians, launching rockets directly into civilian areas seems like it'd be a war crime too, but I don't seem to see a lot of outrage directed at Hamas around here. Curious, that.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but they claim that every civilian is actually a terrorist.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)Israel targets Hamas. You know, those noble freedom fighters who hide behind their own women and children while deliberately launching unguided rockets into civilian areas?
If Hamas doesn't give a shit about their own civilians, why should the Israelis? And yet, they warn residents of incoming strikes.
Neither side is 100% virtuous here, but one side is most certainly better than the other when it comes to not deliberately killing civilians. That side is not Hamas.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and other modern conflicts.
Attack civilians and claim that they are terrorists.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)Neat rhetorical tactic, that.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)at this point, that this proves intent by the Israelis. I disagree.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)And again, you neatly sidestep things you don't want to address.
If Hamas hides behind women and children to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, what are the Israelis to do? Wring their hands and do nothing? Ask Hamas nicely if they'd be so kind as to not cower behind civilians? They're doing the only thing that makes sense when facing an enemy that doesn't care a whit about its own civilians: striking back while doing what they can to minimize civilian casualties.
I won't ask you to condemn Hamas launching rockets with the intent of killing Israeli civilians, because I doubt very much that you would. Would you at least condemn Hamas for hiding behind their own civilians and using them as human shields?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The land theft and civilian casualties started in 1948.
Google "King David Hotel bombing", or "Deir Yassin", or "Irgun" or "Stern".
After that research, let us speak of terror, and targeting civilians.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)I asked a simple question. If you're unwilling to answer it, that tells me all I need to know.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)So what did you find out about those 4 issues?
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)EX500rider
(10,839 posts)All things which predate the democratic State of Israel and are therefore fairly irrelevant to the current situation.
Has Hamas brought those ancient issues up or just your attempt at deflection?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Those things which you dismiss are foundational to an understanding of the issue.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts).. are not currently relevant.
Otherwise we can go back all the way to the Romans if you like
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)People have long memories. History is not so easily rewritten.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Again, failing to examine root causes and background will lead to erroneous conclusions.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and remember that the Turks and Armenians are still arguing about a war that ended 100 years ago.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)From their rocket attacks on the civilians of Israel
global1
(25,242 posts)an airstrike - the way the building came down.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I guess it is just the advancements in weapons technology. If SpaceX can land a rocket on a barge, then I guess it is no surprise that you can put bombs in just the right place to bring down a single building like this.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)TomWilm
(1,832 posts)This is just a very public example of an illegal ongoing practice of house demolishing in retaliation, done immediately after a violent act against Israel, also as a means to punish innocent neighbors.
In a typical demolition like this soldiers normally give the occupants as little as one hour to remove their possessions from the house. Punishing the innocent as Official Policy...
https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200411_punitive_house_demolitions
ripcord
(5,354 posts)Maybe we should investigate the AP.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)So I'm bookmarking to do more reading. Not yet convinced this is true.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)- if Hamas was not there, you cannot prove a negative. Those who believe the attack was justified will continue to believe that.
- if Hamas was there those who have made up their minds won't accept any evidence from Israel. Even if Hamas admitted they were using the building and published pictures of their last office pot luck it would be denied as a false flag.
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)It's a common trope that you cannot.
But the burden of proof is on Israel to prove Hamas was operating in that building, which Israel has not done.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)makes it clear what the overall US public thinks. And taking that further, it seems to me that most of the western world doesn't really care about the people of the Gaza Strip.
If Israel would have been created 100 years earlier, we wouldn't hear much about the Palestinians - just ask the American Indians.
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