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muriel_volestrangler

(101,800 posts)
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:40 AM Jul 2021

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin's plot to put Trump in White House

Source: The Guardian

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.
...
Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

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Kremlin papers appear to show Putin's plot to put Trump in White House (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 OP
Well, well, well. What was hidden, is revealed. marble falls Jul 2021 #1
Somebody smack the US corporate media upside the head and get their attention EYESORE 9001 Jul 2021 #2
The Guardian broke the story. It'll be all over the news PDQ. marble falls Jul 2021 #3
Let's hope so EYESORE 9001 Jul 2021 #4
Yup. And Dems need to keep this in the forefront and pound it every chance they get -that 45 is a onetexan Jul 2021 #74
Today's big story is about Britney Spears. llmart Jul 2021 #107
Her celebrity status aside, Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #109
Business Insider is reporting the story chocolatpi Jul 2021 #77
clicked on link. Says "page not found" n/t BComplex Jul 2021 #90
I've been getting a lot of that on DU orangecrush Jul 2021 #95
Same here, though the Washington Post has a take on the story (link in post). Justice matters. Jul 2021 #101
Here's that Business Insider link in a format that should work. summer_in_TX Jul 2021 #111
they couldn't have done it without limbaugh/rw radio, which continues to evade any certainot Jul 2021 #5
It worked... MiHale Jul 2021 #6
Trump didn't "got [sic] in". He was engineered in by Putin and the Kremlin. Texin Jul 2021 #59
And the republicans are going to finish what he started. Jay25 Jul 2021 #68
This will not be reported in our MSM. gab13by13 Jul 2021 #7
You're correct... Duppers Jul 2021 #11
Want to bet a beer that she doesn't? I bet she does. marble falls Jul 2021 #12
Good bet -- she's kept close tabs on the Russian connection William Seger Jul 2021 #43
Maybe they fear facing their own wnylib Jul 2021 #38
The media is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own it. bumper sticker -nt CrispyQ Jul 2021 #49
True. Yet Rachel puts her neck out there... Duppers Jul 2021 #69
I agree about Rachel and other MSNBC folks. ShazzieB Jul 2021 #105
No question that Rachel will Hekate Jul 2021 #83
Pretty sure Rachel will have to verify the info. But she seems to have the network to do that. fwvinson Jul 2021 #98
I'm afraid that's true.. mountain grammy Jul 2021 #44
It's on WaPo JustAnotherGen Jul 2021 #91
Seems I owe you a beer. I like to make good on my bets. I hope you're somewhere in Texas! marble falls Jul 2021 #114
Leak, my ass. Vlad is prouder of his puppet president than he is of anything else he's ever done. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #8
100% Correct! Wuddles440 Jul 2021 #10
Same thing I said when I first read the headline padah513 Jul 2021 #18
AGREE ; SEEMS LIKE GLOATING lookyhereyou Jul 2021 #29
Putin needs to know the meaning of regret. wnylib Jul 2021 #42
Biden? lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #54
Unlike TFG, Biden is more action than talk. wnylib Jul 2021 #55
Not a traitor. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #56
I'm adjusting quite well and enjoying wnylib Jul 2021 #60
The hard part is wondering what he's up to between visible events. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #63
I can only speculate, but I know what wnylib Jul 2021 #64
Can someone please tell me what TFG stands for? BComplex Jul 2021 #94
The Former Guy nt intrepidity Jul 2021 #96
Thank you !! BComplex Jul 2021 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Jul 2021 #99
A long time ago, I posted that Putin would throw Trump Dan Jul 2021 #103
Putin has determined that the USeful Idiot is no longer useful. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #33
Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 2021 #45
THIS! 👍 Putin is shoving America's nose in the pile of dog shit they both left behind. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #52
Done with Donnie? SallyHemmings Jul 2021 #9
Traitor Trump is used toilet paper in Putin's toilet bowl, with that familiar NCjack Jul 2021 #36
One of the most significant victories ever achieved of a weak nation over a stronger one DFW Jul 2021 #13
+1. dalton99a Jul 2021 #17
Brain? Trump ain't gt no brain! Brawn, sure. Brain...no way! machoneman Jul 2021 #20
I agree with you entirely, except in your questioning about what was behind the Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #25
The tradition and the tendency was always there, agreed DFW Jul 2021 #30
Yes. And technology and the way it makes the world small certainly has magnified it in our age. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #37
All nations practice espionage. Putin is wnylib Jul 2021 #47
Or he will be ousted by someone he trusts--to the extent that he trusts anybody DFW Jul 2021 #51
I will give the same thumbs up cheer wnylib Jul 2021 #58
Nearly half of Americans were effectively brainwashed. JohnnyRingo Jul 2021 #71
What really pisses me off is why these people want... Duppers Jul 2021 #75
No part of the Steele dossier has been disproved including the pee pee tapes. Botany Jul 2021 #14
So true... But personally never heard many Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #23
Not one thing in the Steele has been disproved including Michael Cohen's meeting with Russian .... Botany Jul 2021 #41
Cohen continues to deny this intrepidity Jul 2021 #100
We know his phone was there (Prague). And we know that Ivanka and Jared were in Europe at the .... Botany Jul 2021 #104
Remember all those burner phones Cohen was holding? FakeNoose Jul 2021 #106
I wonder what motivated Trump to run in the 1st place. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #40
Russia had been grooming as a useful idiot since the 1990s. Putin's KBG let him see that Trump's Botany Jul 2021 #48
Same here re: Melania as handler... often wondered that. liberalla Jul 2021 #86
Just remember the flap over W's National Guard service. Ramsey Barner Jul 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author melm00se Jul 2021 #26
shhhhhhhhh melm00se Jul 2021 #27
National emergency Python boot Jul 2021 #16
So now there are docs that show what we've known all along.. sarchasm Jul 2021 #19
K&R UCmeNdc Jul 2021 #21
I feel this bit Putin in the butt onlyadream Jul 2021 #22
Stunning. Should be too story on every news organization. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #24
This is chapter one. Chapter two is Brexit and the other blond menace. Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #28
You know, every time I see some new 'smoking gun' like this, PatrickforB Jul 2021 #31
MSM: But her emails. kairos12 Jul 2021 #32
Making a rare visit to Faux "News" to see their reaction. Yonnie3 Jul 2021 #34
I always said Vlad would turn on him when he thought it would create most chaos. lark Jul 2021 #35
You might be right. Either he 'leaked' them and the info is more or less true...or...he leaked wiggs Jul 2021 #57
Great, I hadn't even thought of the 2nd part of your sentence. lark Jul 2021 #61
The report may explain Trump and 2016 but doesn't explain behavior of the GOP and wiggs Jul 2021 #67
or sacrifice Trump ... DBoon Jul 2021 #85
Hmmmm. Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #112
I'm SOOO glad that Joe is President right now! jmbar2 Jul 2021 #39
My immediate thought on reading the OP Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2021 #46
Fake News - Liberal press tries another smear packman Jul 2021 #50
I said it once, I'll say it again Vogon_Glory Jul 2021 #53
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin's plot to put Trump in White House FelineOverlord Jul 2021 #62
Hillary talked about this in 2016. What's news is MSM suddenly giving a shit. Demnation Jul 2021 #65
Anyone with half a brain could see that this was Putin's strategy. Galraedia Jul 2021 #66
Sure, but this appears to be documentary evidence. n/t malthaussen Jul 2021 #70
This could be the biggest story of the decade... Stuart G Jul 2021 #72
And Moscow Mitch as well as all the other Senate and House Republicans made it even easier for them. cstanleytech Jul 2021 #73
an "impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex" ffr Jul 2021 #76
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2021 #78
So you're telling me there WAS collusion? Mr. Ected Jul 2021 #79
Gee, whoda thunkit? mdbl Jul 2021 #80
I love that he called him "mentally unstable" Sogo Jul 2021 #81
He can try to counter it by reminding people that he "aced" his cognition test! Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #84
Remember, Paul Manafort who worked on the trump campaign gave state polling data to the Russians yaesu Jul 2021 #82
If they're telling us about it, bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #87
could the compromising info be the infamous peewee tapes?? riversedge Jul 2021 #88
"a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin." Warpy Jul 2021 #89
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #92
K&R Bayard Jul 2021 #93
I always thought that Yassir Arafat Turbineguy Jul 2021 #102
Very interesting stuff. llmart Jul 2021 #108
When TASS has to give you the news, obvious. Kid Berwyn Jul 2021 #110
K&R ck4829 Jul 2021 #113

EYESORE 9001

(26,450 posts)
2. Somebody smack the US corporate media upside the head and get their attention
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:55 AM
Jul 2021

I think this revelation would generate some interest. They’re all about ratings, right? Unless there’s some nefarious reason they ignore this story…

EYESORE 9001

(26,450 posts)
4. Let's hope so
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 07:04 AM
Jul 2021

I’ve seen the US M$M response to stories that deserved far more coverage than they received. They need to step up their game.

onetexan

(13,174 posts)
74. Yup. And Dems need to keep this in the forefront and pound it every chance they get -that 45 is a
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:30 AM
Jul 2021

Russian asset &a danger to the nation. Careful but relentless messaging tied to the 1/6 insurrection need to be kept up. Dems need to improve on their messaging and hammer the heck out of the big lie.

Mr.Bill

(24,466 posts)
109. Her celebrity status aside,
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:55 PM
Jul 2021

that is a somewhat important story. It's not very often a conservatorship is ended and whatever decisions come from it are likely to set a major precedent.

summer_in_TX

(2,867 posts)
111. Here's that Business Insider link in a format that should work.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:41 PM
Jul 2021
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/leaked-kremlin-documents-reportedly-show-putin-wanted-to-sow-chaos-in-the-us-by-supporting-trump-he-succeeded/ar-AAMckr2?ocid=BingNewsSearch

Apparently because of Microsoft you have to have a Bing News Search.

The story is beginning to get reported in a number of American newspapers. We'll have to see if it has legs. Maybe with today's story about General Milley.
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
5. they couldn't have done it without limbaugh/rw radio, which continues to evade any
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 07:11 AM
Jul 2021

scrutiny or responsibility

fucking amazing

Duppers

(28,176 posts)
11. You're correct...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 07:44 AM
Jul 2021

Is it because they fear angering RWingers in the country? Or the RW media? In that sense they're cowardly, indirect supporters.

I wonder if Rachel might report this.

wnylib

(22,908 posts)
38. Maybe they fear facing their own
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jul 2021

role in aiding the Kremlin through their rush for ratings over every stupid word and act from TFG.

Duppers

(28,176 posts)
69. True. Yet Rachel puts her neck out there...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jul 2021

Quite a bit sometimes. And even Brian Williams surprises me. Sure miss Olbermann tho.

The NYT & WaPo often have some hard hitting articles. (Dropped the Times here but still subscribe to the Post.)

But the media news hasn't as much leeway as their entertainers like Colbert has who has often done some enlightening pieces. Networks seem to let them broadcast what ever they want to say since it's "entertainment."


ShazzieB

(17,234 posts)
105. I agree about Rachel and other MSNBC folks.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 05:22 PM
Jul 2021

But especially Rachel. She'll cover this, just wait and see.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
98. Pretty sure Rachel will have to verify the info. But she seems to have the network to do that.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:56 PM
Jul 2021

Her reputation is on the line. On Faux Spews they will just blurt out any crap from some smo without vetting.

mountain grammy

(26,894 posts)
44. I'm afraid that's true..
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:30 AM
Jul 2021

Should be the "top of the news" but then there's the "border" and Ted Cruz lying his ass off and W being "sad" and all the republicans angst to report on. No time for Moscow.

Scrivener7

(51,397 posts)
8. Leak, my ass. Vlad is prouder of his puppet president than he is of anything else he's ever done.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 07:28 AM
Jul 2021

He wants to show the world his power.

And, because so many Americans are so stupid, his power is significant.

padah513

(2,623 posts)
18. Same thing I said when I first read the headline
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jul 2021

If Putin didn't want this news to be out there, it wouldn't be out there. It'll be interesting to see how TFG reacts to getting tossed under the bus.

lookyhereyou

(140 posts)
29. AGREE ; SEEMS LIKE GLOATING
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:53 AM
Jul 2021

SEE WHAT I ( putin ) can get away with.

intentional leek to show power midst hacking push back.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
56. Not a traitor.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jul 2021

Yeah, there's that.

And definitely, Biden is a lot more action than talk. It's hard to get used to!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
63. The hard part is wondering what he's up to between visible events.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:55 AM
Jul 2021

We see only the tip of the iceberg.

wnylib

(22,908 posts)
64. I can only speculate, but I know what
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jul 2021

I'd be up to in today's world. I suspect that since Biden is a fellow Dem, there would be some overlap.

BComplex

(8,593 posts)
94. Can someone please tell me what TFG stands for?
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:41 PM
Jul 2021

I keep seeing it referred to trump, but I don't know what it means.

Response to BComplex (Reply #94)

Dan

(3,748 posts)
103. A long time ago, I posted that Putin would throw Trump
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:19 PM
Jul 2021

Under the bus when he was no longer needed.

More and more about Trump is going to come out, and pretty soon we will discover that only 74,000 people voted for his second term, and Biden had more than a 100 Million voting for him.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,691 posts)
33. Putin has determined that the USeful Idiot is no longer useful.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021

Except that these revelations will further divide this country.

SallyHemmings

(1,842 posts)
9. Done with Donnie?
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 07:39 AM
Jul 2021

I would guess that the leak was done with Putin’s direction. The assessment of TFG is spot on but also embarrassing to him. Putin has moved on from the loser. I wonder when the information on him will be leaked?


NCjack

(10,281 posts)
36. Traitor Trump is used toilet paper in Putin's toilet bowl, with that familiar
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:09 AM
Jul 2021

sound of swirling water sucking him down.

DFW

(55,271 posts)
13. One of the most significant victories ever achieved of a weak nation over a stronger one
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:02 AM
Jul 2021

And without firing a shot. What a brilliant strategy! Attack the brain, not the brawn.

One can't help but wonder who was behind the setting up of Fox "News," the megachurches, National Hate Radio, and the funding of extremist candidates for Congress and state legislatures. Dumb the population down to a great enough degree, and you won't even have to spend the money on the destructive candidates anymore. The electorate will at some point be stupid enough to actually vote for its destruction of its own free will. What a devil's bargain! "You will live a life of unimaginable influence, or unimaginable luxury, or both. As long as you do what I say. Cross me and you will disappear from the face of the earth. Sign here where it says "подпись (signature)." I'll bet the signatures (if not actual, then implied) of people like Carlson, Osteen, McCarthy, McConnell, Gaetz, Cotton, Hannity, Graham (both F. and L.), Scalise, Landon Schott, and a lot of etc. are in there somewhere.

machoneman

(4,079 posts)
20. Brain? Trump ain't gt no brain! Brawn, sure. Brain...no way!
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:42 AM
Jul 2021

Sorry, had to do that.

How true though that the insidiousness of Putin is never to be underestimated. Further, with all the damage to US social norms, institutions, political and military figures that Trump already achieved, Putin will push even harder to get his back in the WH in a no holds barred efforts to wreck our democracy......again!

Scrivener7

(51,397 posts)
25. I agree with you entirely, except in your questioning about what was behind the
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:49 AM
Jul 2021

creation of Fox and megachurches, Limbaugh etc. Those kinds of people have always been part of the fabric of America.

I'm reading about New England in the 1600s. It's shocking how the bigotry of that time is recognizable in the bigotry of today.

DFW

(55,271 posts)
30. The tradition and the tendency was always there, agreed
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:59 AM
Jul 2021

It's not the creation of the primitive instincts that I tried to emphasize, but rather that they have been brought from the fringes to dominance. The Salem witch trials were considered a black spot on the history of colonial New England. Today, they would have been mainstream throughout a third or more of the whole country. If you were to ask how many of today's American "Christians" would applaud their re-introduction, the rest of the country would be hanging its head in utter shame at the horrifyingly large number.

Scrivener7

(51,397 posts)
37. Yes. And technology and the way it makes the world small certainly has magnified it in our age.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:09 AM
Jul 2021

And, though I am sure this was how it felt to every generation, it seems like it is reaching a critical mass that we can't overcome.

Sadly, it ALL comes down in the end to racism and bigotry and sexism. And I believe if those spreading it would just let those go, they would lead much happier lives.

wnylib

(22,908 posts)
47. All nations practice espionage. Putin is
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:32 AM
Jul 2021

overdue for some karma delivered by a united front of allies.

DFW

(55,271 posts)
51. Or he will be ousted by someone he trusts--to the extent that he trusts anybody
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jul 2021

Palace coups in the Kremlin are not unheard-of.

JohnnyRingo

(18,910 posts)
71. Nearly half of Americans were effectively brainwashed.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jul 2021

in one of the most successful Russian foreign policy strategies ever. Kruschev would be proud of Putin's skill on the global chessboard.

Meanwhile, we look like a country where half of us are gullible morons who react to whatever propaganda is served up on a Fox News and FaceBook platter.

Duppers

(28,176 posts)
75. What really pisses me off is why these people want...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:37 AM
Jul 2021

to listen to those lies, that crap. They had choices - whatever made them want to listen to those lying sons of b****** to begin with?

I think it was a.m. talk radio that hooked my brother way back when he was driving a long-hauler. I once tried to listen to Limbaugh for 10mins but couldn't - I became so angry I had to turn him off. Same with Faux Lies.

Doesn't it have to do with southern "white male fragility" and that insightful quote of LBJ's?:


"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."


Just repeating folks here: it's about racism, culture, perverted religion, egos, and yes, ignorance, not facts or policies for them. LBJ knew he lost the South for Democrats. With the help of rich, lying media (& their churches) that minority is now threatening our democracy.

Botany

(71,122 posts)
14. No part of the Steele dossier has been disproved including the pee pee tapes.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:05 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215625029

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising
material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits
to Russian Federation territory”.


I wonder if the MAGA idiots will still be supporting Trump if and when the pee pee tapes come out?
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. So true... But personally never heard many
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:47 AM
Jul 2021

say that. However did hear many claims it was bogus go unchallenged.

Botany

(71,122 posts)
41. Not one thing in the Steele has been disproved including Michael Cohen's meeting with Russian ....
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jul 2021

.... in Prague in the late summer of 2016 because by pings on phone cell towers show at least
they know that Cohen's cell phone was there. Another thing in the Steele Dossier that has been
proven was not only was Donny in debt to Russia but he owed China and Saudi Arabia big time
too.

But really what about Hillary's email server.

intrepidity

(7,603 posts)
100. Cohen continues to deny this
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jul 2021

Seemingly every chance he gets, he loudly proclaims he was never, ever in Prague.

I tend to believe much of what he says--these days--so I really wonder about this one thing. Why would he keep denying it so strongly? The only solution I can imagine involves spousal infidelity, pure speculation. It clearly is a very sore spot for him.

Botany

(71,122 posts)
104. We know his phone was there (Prague). And we know that Ivanka and Jared were in Europe at the ....
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:25 PM
Jul 2021

.... same time too.

Ivanka & Wendy Deng the former Mrs. Rupert Murdoch and Vlad Putin's girlfriend in Croatia shortly
before the alleged meeting in Prague in the late summer early fall 2016. BTW Russia used Croatia to
launch cyber attacks and disinformation in 2016







Ivanka and Jared in Italy right before the alleged meeting of Cohen in Prague 2016

FakeNoose

(33,942 posts)
106. Remember all those burner phones Cohen was holding?
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 05:48 PM
Jul 2021

The day the feds raided Michael Cohen's flat, they found something like 16 burner phones.

None of them had been burned - why they hell not? He was holding them for Junior, Jared, and I don't know who all, so THEY wouldn't get caught with them. One of those phones went to Prague, I'll guarantee it. Cohen got burned with other people's phones.

I can't wait until that comes out, along with the other dirt. It's all coming out sooner or later.



OAITW r.2.0

(25,691 posts)
40. I wonder what motivated Trump to run in the 1st place.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jul 2021

He never struck me as a person who would want to take on the responsibility of being President. And what great vision for this country did he have, except for a cheap marketing slogan {Make America Great Again}? Sure, the trappings of the Office would be attractive to this ego driven buffoon, but I still don't think that would have been enough to motivate him to open his personal/business life to extreme scrutiny.

If the kompromat was significant enough, I wonder if that was the true reason he had ran in the 1st place? His performance at Helsinki sure seemed to expose his vulnerability and fear that Putin could destroy him at any moment.

Botany

(71,122 posts)
48. Russia had been grooming as a useful idiot since the 1990s. Putin's KBG let him see that Trump's
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:34 AM
Jul 2021

... flaws and mental illnesses would allow him "to be handled" easily. I have always wondered if
Melania Trump wasn't Donny's handler.

Ramsey Barner

(357 posts)
15. Just remember the flap over W's National Guard service.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:09 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Thu Jul 15, 2021, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not saying the documents are fake, but we've been fooled before.
See [link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy|

Added later:


Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #15)

Python boot

(74 posts)
16. National emergency
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:14 AM
Jul 2021

President Biden should declare a national emergency exists regarding voter fraud and rushur. Then issue an executive order implementing voters rights. When the repugs vote to overturn the executive order they will need a sixty vote majority in the senate.

sarchasm

(1,065 posts)
19. So now there are docs that show what we've known all along..
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jul 2021

Smoking gun, or ruse? What will the MSM do now? Why do I feel like this won’t go anywhere? Who are the moles in Congress? So many questions…

onlyadream

(2,177 posts)
22. I feel this bit Putin in the butt
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:46 AM
Jul 2021

Since, because of Trump, we didn’t have a person imbedded in Wuhan, we weren’t there in the early formative days. Also, Trump disbanded the pandemic response team. Now we all have Covid, even Russia.

Ford_Prefect

(8,099 posts)
28. This is chapter one. Chapter two is Brexit and the other blond menace.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:52 AM
Jul 2021

The goal of the Russian long game was always to weaken and destabilize the western alliance and the EU. They have largely succeeded.

And to think in both cases it was the most virulently "anti-communist" elements who welcomed Putin's assistance with open arms.

PatrickforB

(14,697 posts)
31. You know, every time I see some new 'smoking gun' like this,
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jul 2021

the first question that comes to mind is what proportion of the American people are actually hearing this? Because Fox sure ain't reporting it, nor is it getting any airtime on AM hate-talk radio. We can bet on that.

So no matter what the select committee does, no matter what actions are/can be taken by the government, Trump still got 74 million votes, and even though his support has eroded to a harder core of facists, say maybe 35-40 million, that is still a huge number of people who to this day believe Trump actually won the election. The whole underground pizza human trafficking Jewish lasers from space group. And they have lots of guns.

In the meantime, we have maybe 60 or 70 million of us that are troubled by rising fascism. That leaves millions and millions of Americans who may never hear this. Oh, they can tell you all about the latest reality TV star or perform sophisticated analysis of their favorite sports teams, but cannot tell you how many people are on the Supreme Court, what a bicameral legislature is, or even who their own US Senators and Representatives are.

Sometimes I sigh, because it seems a pretty tall order to actually get this news out to more Americans.

Yonnie3

(17,730 posts)
34. Making a rare visit to Faux "News" to see their reaction.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:08 AM
Jul 2021

Nothing yet. I doubt I'll leave that on long.

I have a private Twitter list I call "Trump Cult" that I review every so often to see what they are saying. Not a peep about this amongst them. Just the usual crap. They are actually still talking of the Steele document.

I suspect nobody wants to go first with the spin.

lark

(23,546 posts)
35. I always said Vlad would turn on him when he thought it would create most chaos.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:08 AM
Jul 2021

Looks like that time may be starting now? I'd 10x more believe Putin leaked this on purpose than that someone in Russia did it to hurt him.

wiggs

(7,896 posts)
57. You might be right. Either he 'leaked' them and the info is more or less true...or...he leaked
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:51 AM
Jul 2021

them and it's disinformation and the truth is much worse. A warning?

lark

(23,546 posts)
61. Great, I hadn't even thought of the 2nd part of your sentence.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:54 AM
Jul 2021

You could be right? I hate 4 level chess.

wiggs

(7,896 posts)
67. The report may explain Trump and 2016 but doesn't explain behavior of the GOP and
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jul 2021

their astonishing willingness to support Trump and Russia. Perhaps that's what the leak is protecting against. Wider complicity, not just Trump.

Admit to something less egregious than the truth and hope public perception stops there. Remember the GOP and Trump and Russia own each other and their secrets.

DBoon

(22,604 posts)
85. or sacrifice Trump ...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jul 2021

... and let the other republicans know that if they don't obey that they are next

Grasswire2

(13,614 posts)
112. Hmmmm.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 12:47 AM
Jul 2021

I'll let my imagination run wild with that for a bit.

I've always said and written that Putin's inevitable denouement of Trump will be nasty, brutish and short.

jmbar2

(5,589 posts)
39. I'm SOOO glad that Joe is President right now!
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021

He and his crew have known this and are hustling to fix the damage. God bless Joe Biden and his administration.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
50. Fake News - Liberal press tries another smear
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:43 AM
Jul 2021

God, he's getting great mileage out of that "Fake News" crap, isn't he? His idiots will never believe it.

Vogon_Glory

(9,285 posts)
53. I said it once, I'll say it again
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jul 2021

One of the major foreign policy differences between so-called “conservatives” and the rest of us is that the rest of us still think that being tools of the Kremlin is STILL A Very Bad Thing.

Feel free to use that talking point on septuagenarian and octogenarian right-wingers still patting themselves about Ronald Wilson What’s-his-name winning the Cold War.

Galraedia

(5,065 posts)
66. Anyone with half a brain could see that this was Putin's strategy.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Thu Jul 15, 2021, 02:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Supporting Donald Trump was obvious in Russia's best interests because of what they had on Donald Trump: Russian money was loaned to Trump through Deutsche Bank and a possible pornographic tape that was secretly recorded, or at least the threat that they had such a tape. Keep in mind that according to James Comey, Trump denied the fact that he paid for hookers but not that he didn't have sex with women in a Moscow hotel.

The president said “the hookers thing” is nonsense, but that Putin had told him “we have some of the most beautiful hookers in the world.” ~ James Comey



Stuart G

(38,672 posts)
72. This could be the biggest story of the decade...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jul 2021

Trump will go down as the .....ultimate traitor...to our country...
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They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.
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Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

ffr

(22,815 posts)
76. an "impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex"
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:38 AM
Jul 2021

Made me laugh out loud.

mdbl

(4,984 posts)
80. Gee, whoda thunkit?
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jul 2021

I remember talking to a Russian lady here on a work VISA who told me her family back home thought it was funny that Americans think they can affect our election. To which I responded, 'I don't find it funny that I live in a country that would even approach supporting an idiot grifter con-man like trump."

Sogo

(5,193 posts)
81. I love that he called him "mentally unstable"
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 12:17 PM
Jul 2021

and that Trump will have to see that in headline after headline....


yaesu

(8,020 posts)
82. Remember, Paul Manafort who worked on the trump campaign gave state polling data to the Russians
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jul 2021

also, much of the loans trump desperately needed over the years came from Russian sources laundered through banks or real-estate deals.

bucolic_frolic

(44,634 posts)
87. If they're telling us about it,
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jul 2021

it says to me the two sides are communicating at a distance and any period of leaks is over. But at least they understand one another.

Warpy

(112,186 posts)
89. "a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin."
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 01:37 PM
Jul 2021

This might be the first sign that Putin is in trouble. He miscalculated badly with Dumdum. He expected loyalty and gratitude and got only a couple of token meetings in the White House during briefing sessions. We didn't withdraw from Nato and we might have suffered blows to our pride, but we did ultimately get Dumdum out of office with out system intact. The whoe thing exposed the GQP for what they have become and I hope a lot of people are asking some very serious questions about the origin of Dumdum hysteria.

Dumdum, of course, is incapable of loyalty and is grateful to no one, ever. It was a bad blunder to think he could be controlled.

Putin is in trouble. I think the FSB and GRU brass are likely furious, since they know a lot of their psyops are about to be exposed and countered. They've already lost one ransomware factory, although we don't know who's responsible yet. Oh, yeah, they're annoyed.

Turbineguy

(37,811 posts)
102. I always thought that Yassir Arafat
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:19 PM
Jul 2021

was the perfect guy for the Palestinians from the Israeli point of view. Stupid, corrupt, and physically repulsive.

Trump was like that for the Russians.

llmart

(15,854 posts)
108. Very interesting stuff.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:54 PM
Jul 2021

I wish I could believe that it will lead to severe consequences for the criminal ex and his criminal family, but I'm just not optimistic. He's the kind that will croak before anything happens. And yes, that would be just fine with me. I want to see those creepy ass freeloading kids bankrupt before I die.

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