Manchin Shoots Down Filibuster Carveout For Voting Rights After Meeting With Texas Dems

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Source: TPM



July 16, 2021 7:51 a.m.


A lot of things happened. Here are some of the things.
Digging His Heels In

Coming out of a meeting with the Texas Democrats who fled their state to block the passage of Texas Republicans’ voter suppression bill, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) remained unswayed by their appeals to allow an exemption to the filibuster for the For The People Act.

“Forget the filibuster,” the West Virginia Democrat told reporters after the meeting.
But the Texas Democrats aren’t giving up hope, with state Sen. Nathan Johnson (D) telling reporters that “[t]hings have to happen at the pace they happen.”
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Manchin gets a high profile meeting with Texas Dems--and ploooooop!

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[JohnSJ]

1. We have to do whatever it takes to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant by winning seats in 2022

[FBaggins]

10. The counter-claim by some is that without HR1 we can't win more seats in 2022

[Elessar Zappa]

17. It'll be a lot harder but not impossible.

Even though GOP states are passing laws which enable them to overturn a legitimate result, I have to think the courts wouldn’t allow it. I hope.

[JohnSJ]

49. +++

[ancianita]

52. It will be impossible if battlegrounds succeed in nullifying popular vote counts.

[joetheman]

62. Nothing is impossible! Some of the GOPers may even be in jail if their is any justice at all!.

Manchin knows he will probably lose this time around in the national. I just wish some other Dem with a chance would show up ad beat him in the primary.

[diverdownjt]

67. That has already been proven to be a blind ally...

Recent opinion from the supreme's and all.

This is why rethug's did all this court packing

[brooklynite]

38. O political analyst I know thinks HR1 will pass.

Too expansive. Needs to be cut up and passed incrementally.

[FBaggins]

39. I don't think it will either

Nor do I think that it would be untouched by the courts if it did pass.

I'm just saying that's the counterargument. I happen not to believe it.

[quakerboy]

84. And hows that going down?

Manchin wont let the bill happen(via holding the fillibuster sacrosanct over country, party, citizens, and all else), but somehow hes going to be ok nuking the fillibuster to pass smaller portions of it?

It really doesn't matter how expansive or incremental it is. Without either ending the fillibuster, or getting 10 republicans on board, its not happening.

[PoliticAverse]

26. Will Democrats still control the House after 2022 if voting rights legislation doesn't pass? n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. Nope. Gerrymandering alone will give the GOP the majority before a single vote is cast

Redistricting in FL alone is projected to flip 5-6 seats from Dem to GOP, which is the current margin.

[joetheman]

63. Some in those gerrymandered districts might surprise us. And COVID....

[joetheman]

65. Fight the fear. Just run the very best candidates we can and leave no position uncontested.

There should be no unchallenged positions anywhere at the state and local levels even if we have to run a candidate with only registration fees in his or her coffer.

[Calista241]

74. So might crime and inflation. n/t

[Lonestarblue]

35. No. Republicans will gerrymander new districts to give themselves the win.

Holding on to the Senate will be hard but not impossible. Senator Warnock may lose in Georgia because of their new law allowing the legislature to overrule voters. Fetterman in PA has a good chance of winning, as does Ryan in Ohio. If we lose Warnock, we need to pick up three new seats to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant. Lots of work ahead.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. A naive narrative that ignores reality and is doomed to fail

Warnock’s seat is toast unless HR1 passes, as the GA legislature will simply refuse to certify the results, allowing Kemp to appoint a Republican replacement.

Same is true in AZ with Mark Kelly.

So that makes FOUR seats Dems will have to pick up in 2022 to make Manchin and Sinema “irrelevant”, while also protecting vulnerable seats in NV and NH.

So which 4 seats do you project Dems flipping?

The fight is NOW, in the streets, not November 2022.

[ancianita]

53. +1,000,000

[Efilroft Sul]

55. I don't know why so many supposedly smart people don't get it, Fiendish Thingy.

While Republicans scheme and Democrats Manchinsplain, November 2022 will be too late.

[LymphocyteLover]

59. what's your solution?

[Efilroft Sul]

73. I am speaking out to friends, family, politicians -- anybody -- to thwart the GOP here in Pennsylvania

I educate people about GOP vote suppression tactics, I motivate others to tell their friends and family members and spread the word and opposition. It's about all I can do at the grass roots level with the time I have.

Ultimately, this comes down to the Democrats in DC, from the Biden White House to Congress, to do the job we elected them to do last November. Part of that job is to protect the right to vote and pass legislation that thwarts the Republicans' chicanery at the state level. If that means playing hardball with Manchin, Sinema, or any other Democrat who is too cowardly to change the filibuster rules to save our country from home-grown fascism, it's past time to get a move on.

I'll end this by saying 81 million voters saved this nation in November. It would sure be nice if Democratic politicians returned the favor.

[LymphocyteLover]

81. Thanks... I do hope our elected Dems find some way to fix this

All we can do is vote, donate and try to motivate others

[LymphocyteLover]

58. Good point but not sure what we can possibly do

even worse, as Tasha Brown explained on Pod Save America yesterday, African-Americans are not going to be motivated to come out strongly after they worked so hard before and now have to work even harder.

[Fiendish Thingy]

68. It's simple- if folks aren't willing to continue to work harder, then democracy will perish

The fascists are counting on the combination of exhaustion and complacency to create a path to victory for them.

Although the AA community has a huge stake in voting rights, everyone has a stake in the survival of democracy.

The learn what you can do to save democracy, go to:

Indivisible.org

[keroro gunsou]

75. Wisconsin

MoRon Johnson. from what i have been seeing, hearing, and reading, a lot of people are sick of his shit. problem is, he's got MONEY of his own, not counting the dark money he will inevitably get to keep his and the Koch's seat in the R camp.

[Fiendish Thingy]

78. That's one- name three more seats that the state legislature won't overturn if Dems win. Nt

[keroro gunsou]

91. apologies

i only know of my state.

[LenaBaby61]

82. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[lsewpershad]

46. + ,10000

[Botany]

2. Manchin gets money from ALEC (Koch Brothers) & Rupert Murdoch

n/t

[jmbar2]

4. How much does it cost to destroy Democracy in America?

I doubt that it's all the much even. Bastart....

[Botany]

8. The old school fossil fuel $$ is backing Manchin big time.

n/t

[rickyhall]

37. How much does it cost to destroy Manchin, sorry motherfucker?

[Justice matters.]

50. Why can't a Billionaire like, for example, Bloomberg (or else) tell Manchin...

"Dude, return the koch-suckers their donations and I'll fill in whatever the amount is they gave ya?"

[xxqqqzme]

64. He's loyal to his

Manchin republican buddies.

[AllaN01Bear]

3. time to get rid of this false flag democrat and show him his republican ways out the door.

[karynnj]

19. Do you want McConnell as Majority Leader?

Even if he were to vote against us on everything, which he doesn't, JUST voting for Schumer as Majority Leader is worth him being there. As to in the future, he may very well be the only Democrat - of any kind - who can win a Senate race in WV.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

5. In other words, Manchin stands with the Minority

In not pressing for voting rights.

Of course he will support voter Suppression in WV and elsewhere.

[pandr32]

6. Whatever the Republicans have on Manchin we need to up

He is beholden, and so we know he can be bought. He needs to be completely outed or is it just that he has accepted campaign cash from right-wing pacs? Is that all?

[localroger]

16. What they have is a statewide election in West Virginia

...which Manchin wants to win. Be careful what you wish for. People used to complain here about Mary Landrieu, but she exited the Senate by being defeated by John Kennedy. Manchin at least caucuses with the Dems and helped boot Mitch McConnell from the Majority Leader position; anyone likely to replace him probably wouldn't have done that.

[pandr32]

20. I agree that he needs to win in state

It is hard to watch him appear to be willing to vote for one of Joe's initiatives (after much effort by Democrats) only to yank his support away and then have Republicans congratulate him as though he is with them.

[SharonAnn]

27. He probably won't win, no matter his position on things. Unless he becomes Republican.

[Igel]

44. There's a view that he can only win as a Democrat.

If he ran as (R) he'd be up against somebody further right in a red state. That would lead to his defeat in the primary.

As (D), he gets moderate/conservative (D) to vote for him and wins the primary. Those votes, with moderate (R) votes in the general, gives him the majority to win election.

It's not an unreasonable view, but it really relies on a more detailed understanding of WVa politics than I'm ever likely to have.

It could go the other way, perhaps, with a moderate (R) that could win the primary, but that person would be to the right of Manchin. Who'd win the general, with a (D) nominee left of where Manchin is up against a (R) nominee to the right of Manchin, I'm not about to even guess.

[sakabatou]

7. GAH!

[Maraya1969]

9. Manchin should be treated like the Trump administration were treated. Ask them

to leave restaurants. Insult them about their behavior in airports, in front of other people.

Make them squirm!

[rhiannon55]

11. It takes a narcissist to refuse to listen to anyone but himself

What a stubborn, self-centered asshole he is! He really needs to go!

[karynnj]

22. "Listen" does not mean to then change positions

He did meet with the Texans and I assume he listened. Obviously, they did not persuade him to change what is likely a deeply held position for him.

[George II]

12. It's not just Manchin:

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Ocasio-Cortez Warns Progressives Can ‘Tank’ Infrastructure Bill

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said she and other House progressives would “tank” a bipartisan infrastructure bill unless Senate Democrats also pass a sweeping tax and spending measure to carry out priorities on climate change and social programs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-15/ocasio-cortez-warns-progressives-can-tank-infrastructure-bill

[Elessar Zappa]

18. Voting rights

are more important than infrastructure at the moment.

[George II]

23. But Manchin (and Sinema) aren't the only ones standing in the way of the Democratic Legislative....

....agenda.

[Elessar Zappa]

25. Didn't say they were

but I’m just saying I’m worried more about the voting rights legislation. I’ll come down on progressives too if they tank infrastructure.

[George II]

33. I'm worried about everything Biden, Schumer, Pelosi and the majority of Democrats are pushing.

[Budi]

57. Appears they're all after the same endgame however they bring it about.

Guess nothing is better than some startiing place to build from??

Thanks for Nothing!

[karynnj]

32. BOTH are important and essential

Not to mention, there is no reason to choose between them. Many elements of the infrastructure are very very important too. Climate change is an existential threat and changing the ever increasing income inequality is essential as well. Name any country with a third world type of income distribution - with a few having a huge amount and a large percent with essentially no assets that is a functioning democracy.

Obviously stopping the Republican cheating by gerrymandering and voter suppression is existential too. The simple truth is long term trends caused these problems and so much went worse under Trump. Biden needs to succeed on so many things - and his heart is in it and he has put together a great team.

[Budi]

56. K & R Helps to know who else is on board with evil Manchin

NAME THEM ALL.

Thanks for the info George ll

[TiberiusB]

76. Never pass up a shot at taking a swipe at the progressive block

Biden was supposed to be for going big with multi trillion dollar investments in the country and the environment. The bipartisan infrastructure bill is mostly made up of public/private "partnerships" that sell off public goods like interstates, bridges, meters and tolls to private interests. That's one reason to oppose it. It's more of the same neoliberal pro-business rubbish.


[link:https://prospect.org/politics/bipartisan-senate-infrastructure-plan-privatization-asset-recycling/|

This proposal is little more than window dressing and doesn't spend nearly enough to address this nation's problems. It will be a political win for Republicans and faux centrists, but little else. The money it's allocated would mostly benefit red states, which is music to the GOP. On top of all that, you have to be beyond naïve to think that a larger infrastructure bill will then pass through reconciliation. I can virtually guarantee that the second the "bipartisan" bill passes, the reconciliation bill implodes or gets torpedoed by the usual band of corporate democrats. Far better to pass the reconciliation bill and dump the GOP corporate giveaway than the reverse.

Progressives fighting to do what is desperately needed are not stopping Biden's agenda. Manchin, Sinema and the blue dogs are ultimately to blame for the Democrats failing to break the GOP filibuster. Do away with that, and the rest falls into place. If the progressives block the tiny giveaway to the GOP, Biden can still push the far more expansive reconciliation bill and Manchin and Sinema wouldn't be able to hide behind the GOP bill, which you know she will, and most likely others in the Blue Dog caucus, too.

And Manchin is not acting out of any need to get re-elected. He's been bought.

[link:https://www.cleveland.com/darcy/2021/06/majority-of-manchin-gop-voters-support-hr-1-darcy-cartoons.html|

[link:https://www.salon.com/2021/06/10/joe-manchins-highly-suspicious-reversal-on-voting-bill-follows-donation-from-corporate-lobby/|

[link:https://theintercept.com/2021/06/16/joe-manchin-leaked-billionaire-donors-no-labels/|

[Calista241]

85. If any Dem promises to not vote for the reconciliation bill, in exchange for the bi-partisan bill..

I would bet they’ll have 30+ Repub votes in the Senate, and 100ish Repub votes in the house vote in favor of it.

So the question is, will Schumer and Pelosi be able to keep it off the floor? And i kind of doubt it.

[patphil]

13. I know we aren't supposed to attack Democrats, but this is getting very tiresome.

Without this legislation we could easily lose control of the Senate and House in the 2022 election. If that happens, the effect will be devastating.
We won't have a chance of getting any legislation through in the 3rd and 4th years of Biden's Presidency.
And, it could usher in a second Trump term in 2025, with subsequent increases for the Republicans in both houses, and possibly another right wing Supreme Court judge.
That would be a tragedy the nation might never recover from.
Doesn't he realize the future of the Republic is at stake?
What will it take for him see this?

[Historic NY]

72. I've had enough .

Its like the daily Loser bullshit...if those senators can't be put in line then strip them of their pork funding and assignments. The two are playing the Democrats for all it worth. Biden need to give them the Johnson treatment if they run, they run.

[Shell_Seas]

14. Without HR1, Texas is completely Fucked in 2022 after redistricting

[jmbar2]

15. my tweet

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[OneCrazyDiamond]

54. Is this verified?

Just 2 days ago I read the 95% against hospitalizations and death:

According to Dr. Eric Topol
the available data from multiple nations finds that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 96% effective in preventing COVID hospitalizations and deaths from Delta variant infections.
https://fortune.com/2021/07/14/covid-delta-variant-best-vaccine-most-effective-against-variants/

I know Hospitalization is different from just getting it, but who cares if there is no death or long term issues.

I think this will get revised.

[mbmsr]

21. Manchin don't worry about it when mitch mcconnell retakes control he will get rid filibuster

and there will be no more pressure on you, Of course the republic will no longer be free but you have to protect what's really important!

[bucolic_frolic]

24. Look on the bright side

We only have to win one election convincingly

2022.

That will do the business.

In fact if we don't our fate will be sealed.

[KS Toronado]

28. Only in the United States do we have a government run by the minority party.

No other country in the world would allow this.

[Bayard]

29. I assume someone has pointed out to Manchin

That he is helping rethuglicans shoot down democracy. He seems to be the type that, the more he's pressured, the more resistant he becomes.

We need a new tactic to take with him. I don't know what that is yet, but playing nice is not getting anywhere.

[LudwigPastorius]

31. Manchin is the kind of guy who would...

change parties if the Senate were to gain a one vote Democratic supermajority.

[Fiendish Thingy]

36. A carve out is not the same as a modification of the filibuster rule

Manchin is on record supporting a modification to the filibuster rule that would require 41 senators present and holding the floor (speaking) in order to sustain a filibuster, rather than the current 60 votes to end one.

[FBaggins]

41. Sigh... still stuck on that one, eh?

He is on record supporting such a modification. But he isn't on record supporting a "nuclear" path to such a change.

[Fiendish Thingy]

45. I guess we'll find out soon enough, as Schumer seems intent on forcing the issue.

A few more weeks of direct action in DC, WV and AZ, and then we’ll know who the true patriots are,

[FBaggins]

48. How long can you keep up that hope?

It was "any day now" about a month ago. Schumer was going to trigger the nuclear option early the following week. Manchin had supposedly changed his mind.

Yet here we are and he's still saying the same thing.

A few more weeks of direct action in DC, WV and AZ...

So... end of August?

[Fiendish Thingy]

66. This summer has always been the timeline I have perceived, don't know where you got "any day now"

Schumer stated he would bring HR1 to the floor the week of June 21, which he did, and it was filibustered. That’s the only event so far with a specific date attached.

Activist groups are planning numerous events and civil disobedience throughout the rest of the summer. Schumer and Pelosi are hinting they may cut the August recess short.

It has always been my understanding that the political process on voting rights and infrastructure would intensify during July-August-September, with October-ish being the deadline for voting rights to pass in order to block partisan gerrymandering that would guarantee the GOP taking the house in 2022. There is a procedural vote on the infrastructure reconciliation bill slated for next week, otherwise, the scheduling of congressional process on these bills has not yet been determined. This is fine, as it gives the activists, as well as the Dems, time to bring these issues to the forefront of the public’s and the media’s attention.

I can’t control if you infer something I never implied.

[FBaggins]

79. I'm afraid your memory is faulty. It wasn't implied... it was stated outright.

Schumer stated he would bring HR1 to the floor the week of June 21, which he did, and it was filibustered. That’s the only event so far with a specific date attached.

Actually... it was (in response to me pointing out that it won't come up) - emphasis mine:

It will come up the week of June 21 - Schumer will force a vote

S1 is coming to the floor the week of June 21, and Schumer isn’t just going to shrug and walk away if it gets filibustered- he will go nuclear, and force a rule change vote to the filibuster, likely to the 41 member on the floor requirement Manchin has proposed.

It has always been my understanding that the political process on voting rights and infrastructure would intensify during July-August-September, with October-ish being the deadline for voting rights to pass in order to block partisan gerrymandering that would guarantee the GOP taking the house in 2022.


There's no rationale for waiting if (as you believe) he actually has the votes. You've left off the many months of court proceedings that would follow HR1/S1 getting passed. It's already too late to push it through and know that it will take effect in time. Some states have primaries just eight months from now.

[Fiendish Thingy]

80. You assume a court would suspend the law immediately, I disagree

That wouldn’t happen until SCOTUS rules, which wouldn’t likely be for a year or more.

The law will take effect with Biden’s signature, and gerrymandering would be blocked.

I still firmly believe Schumer will use the nuclear option (I guess you assumed I meant he would use it instantaneously upon being filibustered); if he cancels the August recess, it may happen then, after a period of direct action and civil disobedience (already scheduled).

IMO, not having the votes is no excuse for not forcing the issue to a vote on the rule change. The only consideration should be the strategic timing of such a vote. For Schumer To not force a vote would be confirmation of his cowardice, and he would be unworthy of his leadership position.

But we’re not there yet. Perhaps he wants to get the reconciliation vote (scheduled for next week) settled first.

My original point, which I will repeat, is that voting rights is such a critical issue to the survival of democracy, even if Manchin and Sinema continue to obstruct, McConnel filibusters, Schumer will not just shrug and walk away as Dems have done for other bills that get filibustered.

Both the senate and the streets are just getting warmed up. Tomorrow is the anniversary of John Lewis’s passing, and numerous events of “good trouble” are planned across the nation.

I will be watching eagerly, hope you will too.

[FBaggins]

86. Of course it would be suspended immediately

There are legitimate constitutional questions and just about any court would issue a temporary stay while those were adjudicated. If some court decided not to do so... that would just cause that decision to be appealed to a court that would... further delaying implementation. They can't just let the law take effect until the courts make up their minds... because some of the changes are irreversible (like those targeting gerrymandering)

I guess you assumed I meant he would use it instantaneously upon being filibustered

Don't kid yourself into thinking that anyone is buying that spin. Once again... your post was in direct reply to my claim that the change to requiring 41 votes to sustain a filibuster won't even come up. You then said, "it will come up the week of June 21". You also said "Schumer will force a vote" in that context (6/21) and clarified that it meant "force a rule change vote". You may no longer remember it, but it isn't an inference or an assumption. You were clearly saying not only that Manchin had agreed to change the rules, but that a vote on that was going to happen the following week.

That didn't happen. As you were told at the time... Schumer doesn't have the votes.

Both the senate and the streets are just getting warmed up.

While reporting seems to say exactly the opposite. That the Senate is shifting their focus to the budget and infrastructure and just paying lip service to voting rights.

But days after nearly 60 Texas Democrats made their dramatic exodus from Austin to Washington, many of them acknowledge that how that battle will unfold remains very uncertain — and that they have a rapidly closing window to capitalize on the national spotlight.

While they quickly secured meetings with Vice President Harris, Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) and other lawmakers in their first week in Washington, so far the Texans have been unable to push forward long-stalled federal voting rights legislation.

...snip...

“Time is not on our side,” Thierry said an interview.

The Texans have said they plan to remain in Washington through Aug. 7, when the special legislative session ordered by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) is scheduled to expire. Their exact plan until then is still in the works.

...snip...

But the Texas Democrats face tough odds as they seek to spur Congress to action. Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) have publicly opposed changes to the filibuster, the Senate’s 60-vote supermajority requirement, which are necessary for the voting bill to advance.

Manchin’s posture did not budge even after the Texans pressed him in person. “Forget the filibuster,” the senator told reporters afterward.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-democrats-washington-exodus/2021/07/17/c1ecdfc6-e57d-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html

[Fiendish Thingy]

87. Then we disagree- if any court grants a stay, it will be appealed until the stay is removed

At which point, the final ruling will rest with SCOTUS, which will not rule for a year or more.

Why wasn’t the original 1965 VRA stayed upon passage, pending appeals? Surely there were some Dixiecrat federal judges who would have loved to squash the laws. How about the ACA- the law wasn’t suspended pending appeals in that case either. Can you name any law in recent history that was stayed/suspended by a court immediately upon passage, and that stay remained in place until the appeal reached SCOTUS? I can’t think of any, and it brings up serious concerns about separation of powers and coequal branches of government.

We disagree on the level and impact of direct action

While reporting seems to say exactly the opposite. That the Senate is shifting their focus to the budget and infrastructure and just paying lip service to voting rights.

That is the media narrative that direct action and civil disobedience (including today’s remembrance of John Lewis’s passing) seeks to change.

One thing we seem to agree on is the stakes- if things unfold as you expect, with no effect from direct action, and Schumer cowardly backing down from a fight on the filibuster, without even issuing any sort of consequences to Manchin or Sinema, then the American Experiment is truly over, with the candles on the cake being blown out sometime between November 2022 and January 2025. Except for the waiting, the end of democracy will be set in stone.

[FBaggins]

88. What would the rationale for removing the stay be?

We couldn't argue that there is no irreparable injury, because states would have to start changing their laws right away in order to implement some of the requirements. Such that the 2022 election would end up under those rules even if the courts later decided that the change was unconstitutional.

That leaves only an argument that the opposition can't win on the merits... and that's a tough argument to win because the legislation is so broad. Parts of HR1 are pretty tightly crafted, but others are not nearly as clear-cut. There are plenty of wedges that a conservative justice could push on to break pieces of it off.

One thing we seem to agree on is the stakes

Sorry. I don't agree there either. I go along with that rhetoric because it's useful. But we've won elections for decades with structural challenges much worse than what we're seeing. It won't end the "American Experiment" or democracy itself.

I think success with the rhetoric is to drive turnout... which should make more of a difference than the rule changes will make in the other direction.

[Fiendish Thingy]

89. Congress could argue it has the constitutional right to direct federal elections

It is spelled out specifically in the Constitution, unlike healthcare related laws like the ACA.

Again, I can’t think of a single significant instance where a court stayed the implementation of a law immediately upon passage, and that stay remained in place continuously until ruled on by SCOTUS- can you name an example? Not the original VRA or Civil Rights Act, not the ACA…so what previous law has been treated in the way you suggest HR1 will be?

If HR1 passes, and is immediately suspended by a federal judge, and that stay remains in place until SCOTUS rules, it would be a first- and another nail in democracy’s coffin.

[Etherealoc1]

40. So what's new?

[turbinetree]

42. I need a drink.....JFC..when people ask for help....what do some do...

well fucking nothing.....and then say ....have a nice day.....JFC....

[stillcool]

43. Stuck on a chryon

same stuff over and over. The only thing new is what we already know coming out in book form.

[lsewpershad]

47. Time to get rid of this

DINO?

[Budi]

61. It ain't just ONE DINO we have to 'get rid of'. Appears there are a few more who are willing to ...

...tank the whole thing rather than vote for a starting point to build from.

Names ALL their damned NAMES!!

[dbonds]

51. Can we find a way to pay him more than who ever is funding his obstruction?

Crowdsource?

A rich donor that believes in democracy?

[jmbar2]

69. I propose a GoFundMe

We will meet or beat any other offers.

[vercetti2021]

60. I hope one day in the future

When there is a book that survives fascism and we have to beat it again in the streets. I hope it's titled. Fall of America. How DINO's aided the GOP to destroy democracy. Really put those two on blast forever.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

70. Is Manchin's 15 minutes of fame up yet?

He went from the Invisible Man to someone who has the power to determine whether the 245 year American Experiment in self-governance lives or dies. And he seems to be relishing the sudden increase in attention. Why should he care? The QRepugs love him -- a speaker at a QGOP conference urged particpants to contact Manchin and Sienama and express gratitude for from saving our country from the Democrats' radical socialist agenda."

If the QRepublicans win the GOP in either or both house of Congress, Manchin will be celebrated in conservative-approved Texas textbooks as a patriot. His role in defeating voting protection legislation will be celebrated, even as John Lewis' role in increasing and protecting it is diminished or omitted. His fame will extend beyond Andy Warhol's fifteen minutes to an entire decade.

"Joe Manchin isn't moved by leaders who have spent decades organizing for civil rights," Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., tweeted after Manchin that said his position on the For the People Act had not changed after meeting with civil rights leaders on Tuesday. "Manchin isn't moved by the views of his constituents. Manchin isn't moved by GOP voter suppression bills in 43 states. Because Manchin is only moved by corporate donors and their agenda."

[Grimelle]

71. Texas Democrats out, Manchin goes in

While Texas Democrats are in Washington, U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin is headed to Texas to a Houston fundraiser hosted in part by...Texas Republican donors

[czarjak]

77. Where in Texas?

[quakerboy]

83. So.. at what point does he switch sides?

I cant imagine it will take too much longer for the offers from the R's to become high enough to get him to swap parties.

[BeckyDem]

92. Shameful.