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BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:36 AM Jul 2021

Former Nevada 'sundown town' stands by siren amid reckoning

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Source: ABC News



MINDEN, Nev. -- A red siren perched atop a small town’s volunteer fire department sounds every night at 6 p.m., sending a piercing noise echoing through the ranches and towns of northern Nevada’s Carson Valley including Dresslerville — a community governed by the Washoe Tribe of Nevada and California. To Serrell Smokey, the tribe's chairman, the sound is a reminder of racism and violence inflicted upon Native Americans — a "living piece of historical trauma” with an enduring legacy. He requested officials in the town of Minden silence the region's last remaining siren last summer.

“It’s not just about the siren,” he said. “The siren is a reminder to a lot of people out here, especially in Dresslerville, of that past,” he said of the tribal community just 5 miles (8 kilometers) south, where stories of brutality have been passed down generations. Minden is one of what experts believe were thousands of American communities where discriminatory “sundown” laws were in effect, either through formal ordinances or unwritten rules enforced with intimidation and injury. The town siren has blared since 1921. Until 1974, it served as a warning to non-white people that they were required to leave town before the sun faded behind the rugged mountaintops of the Carson range.

To members of the Washoe Tribe, the siren is inextricably linked to the ordinance, Smokey said. Elders remember seeing law enforcement jailing Native Americans and residents attacking non-white people. "Those sirens are a reminder of that history, and the fact that they are still used indicates that our present is not so far removed from its past,” said Heather O’Connell, a Louisiana State University sociologist who has studied the correlation between historic sundown ordinances and contemporary inequality.

A nationwide reckoning over racism in the United States erupted last summer following George Floyd's murder and sparked protests in large cities across the country. And in small, mostly white towns like Minden, it revived a 15-year-old debate over the siren and whether it should be silenced. In 2006, county officials turned off the siren hoping to improve relations with the Washoe. But it was sounding again two months later following backlash from locals. As consolation, Minden passed an ordinance describing the siren’s intent as honoring first responders.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/nevada-sundown-town-stands-siren-amid-reckoning-79069261



Heard this story on the radio this morning.

The suburban town across the city line from where I live, has as volunteer fire department that has a siren - but that, along with similar sirens, were used as an air raid siren (during WW2 and later) and they usually test it once a month to confirm it is operational. I know other places around the country use similar for tornado warnings.

But they are sounding this one daily and according to the article after it was pointed out the historical reason why a few months ago, they only moved the time from 6 pm (the nationally-adopted "traditional" sundown town time) to 5 pm, but refused to shut it off.

It's interesting to see some of the residents whining about "cancel culture" yet it's odd that towns like that (and the town across from me that has a similar one and also has about the same population), also have churches that rang their bells on the hour that can be heard for miles, and were certainly more benign than a daily siren.
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Former Nevada 'sundown town' stands by siren amid reckoning (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 OP
I think that there are many aspects of various cultures that should be canceled and this abqtommy Jul 2021 #1
People can be so terrible. madaboutharry Jul 2021 #2
I agree PatSeg Jul 2021 #20
Today POC are the sundown siren Generic Other Jul 2021 #3
My simple memory of Minden, circa 1978 Mister Ed Jul 2021 #4
It's an extra layer of awareness that has to be maintained at all times BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #5
Had never heard of them...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #6
I think a lot of it boils down to that LBJ quote to Bill Moyers BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #8
Great quote! Thanks, Bum...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #9
LOL BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #18
Many Southerners were Scots-Irish as opposed to British LeftInTX Jul 2021 #15
They are also in WV today BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #21
That quote is so true csziggy Jul 2021 #26
We had an air raid siren. Tested every day at 1 pm. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #7
They use them for all sorts of things needing a warning BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #10
To the best of my knowledge, military bases still blare them every day...at noon LeftInTX Jul 2021 #11
It was a small town. Now they have a giant marble slate twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #14
LOL LeftInTX Jul 2021 #17
I lived in a town for over 19 years PatSeg Jul 2021 #19
Where I grew up it was daily. Igel Jul 2021 #27
I fail to see the value to the community from hooting out the time of day in this manner. MrModerate Jul 2021 #12
Is America racist? mountain grammy Jul 2021 #13
Television taught it quite well for most of my life. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #24
It would be a shame if something happened to the siren, wouldn't it? flying_wahini Jul 2021 #16
Just a simple act of courtesy for their neighbors Mysterian Jul 2021 #22
I get it when it's about "sundowner" towns. The little farming towns in Iowa and Nebraska ... marble falls Jul 2021 #23
A sad reminder of our nations' history. Where I grew up, in the Ozarks, we had sirens blare off SWBTATTReg Jul 2021 #25
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jul 2021 #28

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. I think that there are many aspects of various cultures that should be canceled and this
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:51 AM
Jul 2021

"sundown siren" is certainly one of them.

madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
2. People can be so terrible.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:56 AM
Jul 2021

Stories like this are painful to read.

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
20. I agree
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:23 AM
Jul 2021

I've always known such hate and ignorance exists, but I still can't comprehend how so many people can be so horrible, especially in a time where there is no excuse for ignorance.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
3. Today POC are the sundown siren
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:16 AM
Jul 2021

They blast their warnings to people who dismiss their reality and erase their history. Many People on DU are the siren, the fire bell that rings at midnight.

For whom does the bell toll for, America?

Mister Ed

(5,930 posts)
4. My simple memory of Minden, circa 1978
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:18 AM
Jul 2021

I was part of a large party of 12-15 people enjoying a festive evening at a Basque restaurant in the then-tiny town. That's all. It never occurred to me that if our party had been other than white, we would have placed ourselves in danger just by showing up. Never would have crossed my mind at all.

Our blissful, carefree unawareness stands in stark contrast to the painfully alert and circumspect outlook that I now see a Native would have had to maintain at all times. I guess that's what folks call white privilege.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
5. It's an extra layer of awareness that has to be maintained at all times
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:31 AM
Jul 2021

And a place didn't have to be designated a "sundown town". Just about anywhere in the U.S. might be considered that (as we see with this having happened in NV, where traditionallythe more notorious places were in the south and south central).

It was basically a "curfew" that only applied to certain demographics. This is what prompted what is called "The Green Book" ("The Negro Motorist Green Book" - https://www.history.com/news/the-green-book-the-black-travelers-guide-to-jim-crow-america



These were published regularly from the mid-30s to even now (I had seen where someone started publishing them again). It was sortof like a travel guide that included a list of businesses that were "safe" for blacks to patronize - including dining or staying overnight or for a few days while on vacation (restaurants, hotels/motels, etc).

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
6. Had never heard of them......
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 07:05 AM
Jul 2021

until 'the movie.......'

I guess I'll never understand why it is so hard to stop hurting someone............

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
8. I think a lot of it boils down to that LBJ quote to Bill Moyers
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 07:48 AM
Jul 2021


Human (and animal societies in general) have always instituted some kind of "hierarchy" within their ranks (basically a pyramid), whether by "class" or "caste" (both including an inherited status), where it encourages people to want to be in that "higher" rank (because it affords more privileges). But to get there, it often requires stepping over (and on) others to establish reaching what they believe is a more superior level than they currently reside in.

Thus many of the most hateful were descended from people who were treated badly in their native countries, so this was their convoluted way to "pay it forward" as they jockeyed for a better life, and POC were easy targets to establish superiority over.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
9. Great quote! Thanks, Bum......
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:18 AM
Jul 2021

(oh, wait, that didn't sound nice - "Thanks, BumRush!!!" )

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
18. LOL
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021


Bill Moyers is still around and his getting that offhand remark while talking to/interviewing Johnson, was a lucky catch that sums it up.

LeftInTX

(25,269 posts)
15. Many Southerners were Scots-Irish as opposed to British
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:06 AM
Jul 2021

Scots-Irish did not come from affluence like many of the British...

My 4th great grandfather came over as a poor cabin boy. His father died and his stepfather didn't want him. So, he got a one way job on a ship and left Scotland. He claims that Blackbeard raided the ship when it was anchored offshore and he escaped via a hatch and barrel and stripped his clothes off and swam to shore. (I have no idea if the Blackbeard story is true, but it has survived 300 years LOL)

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
21. They are also in WV today
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:27 AM
Jul 2021

and many got impacted by the Depression and dust bowl and moved further and further west.

But like the Welsh and eventually the Southern Europeans, a whole European ethnic hierarchy thing got ingrained into the psyche (and Hitler's obsession over his fictious idea of "Nordics" didn't help).

But inevitably as soon as you bring in descendants of a different continent, whether it be Africa, North/South America, or Asia, then suddenly there is de facto "kinship" among the Europeans against non-Europeans.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
26. That quote is so true
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 01:49 PM
Jul 2021

While researching the family of my deceased brother in law I found some very interesting history about his ancestors. His ancestor and brother came from the mining area of Gelnica, Slovakia, which had guilds for the miners.

After immigrating to the coal mining area around Birmingham, Alabama, they started unions - and unlike many included blacks in their miners union. Between the union activity and mining disasters - the original ancestor was killed at the age of 72 in a coal mine collapse - mining in northern Alabama was shut down for a while.

Other family members worked as miners in Harlan, Kentucky. They'd leave their families in Alabama, travel to Kentucky to work and return when they could.

twodogsbarking

(9,736 posts)
7. We had an air raid siren. Tested every day at 1 pm.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 07:31 AM
Jul 2021

Sometimes they blew it by accident. There was never an air raid. Guess it worked.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
10. They use them for all sorts of things needing a warning
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:24 AM
Jul 2021

Like in Hawai'i - for a Tsunami Warning -



What was interesting in the above was to hear the difference between the Tsunami Warning vs a Nuke Warning in Hawai'i.

LeftInTX

(25,269 posts)
11. To the best of my knowledge, military bases still blare them every day...at noon
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:48 AM
Jul 2021

I think some towns still test their emergency sirens once a month
Tornado sirens are still a thing..

twodogsbarking

(9,736 posts)
14. It was a small town. Now they have a giant marble slate
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:05 AM
Jul 2021

with the ten commandments on the court house steps. That keeps them safe now.

LeftInTX

(25,269 posts)
17. LOL
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
19. I lived in a town for over 19 years
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021

where the siren went off every Tuesday at 2:00 pm, as a test. I recall it being used for an actual emergency only once, but can't remember what it was now, maybe flooding conditions. It sounded like the warning systems used in World War II.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
27. Where I grew up it was daily.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:04 PM
Jul 2021

1 pm. Fire station ... right next to the high school and about 1/4 mile from the elementary school. Probably originally an air raid siren, most of us used it for checking our watches.

As for the Minden siren, I stayed in Minden for a few days in the late '80s helping somebody pack up his and his wife's things and move. He'd had a couple of businesses run out of the barn in the back, and had bought the house in the late '20s. Didn't notice the siren.

As for its use as a warning, having it blare at the same time each day has always made little sense--in December, sunset's a bit after 5 pm, in August it's around 8 pm (without the daylight savings time added hour).

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
12. I fail to see the value to the community from hooting out the time of day in this manner.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:58 AM
Jul 2021

I mean, people have watches, right?

The town needs to ask itself, "what happens if we stop doing this" — and the answer is "everyone can relax."

This is not a hard choice.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
13. Is America racist?
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:04 AM
Jul 2021

Not if we don't teach about it. Not if we don't acknowlege it. It never happened and even if it did, it's over. Just ask John Roberts. He declared it so...

twodogsbarking

(9,736 posts)
24. Television taught it quite well for most of my life.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

It was part of the culture. Movies too.

flying_wahini

(6,589 posts)
16. It would be a shame if something happened to the siren, wouldn't it?
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021


How many times would they fix it until they didn’t?

Mysterian

(4,587 posts)
22. Just a simple act of courtesy for their neighbors
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jul 2021

and the assholes of this town refuse - simply in order to be assholes.

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
23. I get it when it's about "sundowner" towns. The little farming towns in Iowa and Nebraska ...
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:54 AM
Jul 2021

... I lived in, blew theirs for the farmers at noon and 6:00. The noon one told the wives to load up dinner and get it to the fields around 1:00 or 2:00 and the 6:00 told the farmers to come in for supper.

It was love/hate with that siren. I love local color and the rhythm of farming community life, but the siren was mounted on the elementary school across the back alley from our house. It was also the tornado siren. I'd get a half hour of siren serenade once or twice every summer.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
25. A sad reminder of our nations' history. Where I grew up, in the Ozarks, we had sirens blare off
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jul 2021

every evening (sundown) for the simple reason that trout fishing in the state park was done for the day. It would startle one if they were not expecting it, and I had fond memories of this but after this sad chapter in this post, with the reasoning of the sirens back then, I am tempered by hearing such things now.

We still test the sirens in STLMO for tornadoes every Monday or so...

Omaha Steve

(99,601 posts)
28. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jul 2021

Feature piece, not LBN.

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