Former Nevada 'sundown town' stands by siren amid reckoning
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Source: ABC News
MINDEN, Nev. -- A red siren perched atop a small towns volunteer fire department sounds every night at 6 p.m., sending a piercing noise echoing through the ranches and towns of northern Nevadas Carson Valley including Dresslerville a community governed by the Washoe Tribe of Nevada and California. To Serrell Smokey, the tribe's chairman, the sound is a reminder of racism and violence inflicted upon Native Americans a "living piece of historical trauma with an enduring legacy. He requested officials in the town of Minden silence the region's last remaining siren last summer.
Its not just about the siren, he said. The siren is a reminder to a lot of people out here, especially in Dresslerville, of that past, he said of the tribal community just 5 miles (8 kilometers) south, where stories of brutality have been passed down generations. Minden is one of what experts believe were thousands of American communities where discriminatory sundown laws were in effect, either through formal ordinances or unwritten rules enforced with intimidation and injury. The town siren has blared since 1921. Until 1974, it served as a warning to non-white people that they were required to leave town before the sun faded behind the rugged mountaintops of the Carson range.
To members of the Washoe Tribe, the siren is inextricably linked to the ordinance, Smokey said. Elders remember seeing law enforcement jailing Native Americans and residents attacking non-white people. "Those sirens are a reminder of that history, and the fact that they are still used indicates that our present is not so far removed from its past, said Heather OConnell, a Louisiana State University sociologist who has studied the correlation between historic sundown ordinances and contemporary inequality.
A nationwide reckoning over racism in the United States erupted last summer following George Floyd's murder and sparked protests in large cities across the country. And in small, mostly white towns like Minden, it revived a 15-year-old debate over the siren and whether it should be silenced. In 2006, county officials turned off the siren hoping to improve relations with the Washoe. But it was sounding again two months later following backlash from locals. As consolation, Minden passed an ordinance describing the sirens intent as honoring first responders.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/nevada-sundown-town-stands-siren-amid-reckoning-79069261
Heard this story on the radio this morning.
The suburban town across the city line from where I live, has as volunteer fire department that has a siren - but that, along with similar sirens, were used as an air raid siren (during WW2 and later) and they usually test it once a month to confirm it is operational. I know other places around the country use similar for tornado warnings.
But they are sounding this one daily and according to the article after it was pointed out the historical reason why a few months ago, they only moved the time from 6 pm (the nationally-adopted "traditional" sundown town time) to 5 pm, but refused to shut it off.
It's interesting to see some of the residents whining about "cancel culture" yet it's odd that towns like that (and the town across from me that has a similar one and also has about the same population), also have churches that rang their bells on the hour that can be heard for miles, and were certainly more benign than a daily siren.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)"sundown siren" is certainly one of them.
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)Stories like this are painful to read.
PatSeg
(47,418 posts)I've always known such hate and ignorance exists, but I still can't comprehend how so many people can be so horrible, especially in a time where there is no excuse for ignorance.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)They blast their warnings to people who dismiss their reality and erase their history. Many People on DU are the siren, the fire bell that rings at midnight.
For whom does the bell toll for, America?
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)I was part of a large party of 12-15 people enjoying a festive evening at a Basque restaurant in the then-tiny town. That's all. It never occurred to me that if our party had been other than white, we would have placed ourselves in danger just by showing up. Never would have crossed my mind at all.
Our blissful, carefree unawareness stands in stark contrast to the painfully alert and circumspect outlook that I now see a Native would have had to maintain at all times. I guess that's what folks call white privilege.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)And a place didn't have to be designated a "sundown town". Just about anywhere in the U.S. might be considered that (as we see with this having happened in NV, where traditionallythe more notorious places were in the south and south central).
It was basically a "curfew" that only applied to certain demographics. This is what prompted what is called "The Green Book" ("The Negro Motorist Green Book" - https://www.history.com/news/the-green-book-the-black-travelers-guide-to-jim-crow-america
These were published regularly from the mid-30s to even now (I had seen where someone started publishing them again). It was sortof like a travel guide that included a list of businesses that were "safe" for blacks to patronize - including dining or staying overnight or for a few days while on vacation (restaurants, hotels/motels, etc).
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)until 'the movie.......'
I guess I'll never understand why it is so hard to stop hurting someone............
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)Human (and animal societies in general) have always instituted some kind of "hierarchy" within their ranks (basically a pyramid), whether by "class" or "caste" (both including an inherited status), where it encourages people to want to be in that "higher" rank (because it affords more privileges). But to get there, it often requires stepping over (and on) others to establish reaching what they believe is a more superior level than they currently reside in.
Thus many of the most hateful were descended from people who were treated badly in their native countries, so this was their convoluted way to "pay it forward" as they jockeyed for a better life, and POC were easy targets to establish superiority over.
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)(oh, wait, that didn't sound nice - "Thanks, BumRush!!!" )
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)Bill Moyers is still around and his getting that offhand remark while talking to/interviewing Johnson, was a lucky catch that sums it up.
LeftInTX
(25,269 posts)Scots-Irish did not come from affluence like many of the British...
My 4th great grandfather came over as a poor cabin boy. His father died and his stepfather didn't want him. So, he got a one way job on a ship and left Scotland. He claims that Blackbeard raided the ship when it was anchored offshore and he escaped via a hatch and barrel and stripped his clothes off and swam to shore. (I have no idea if the Blackbeard story is true, but it has survived 300 years LOL)
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)and many got impacted by the Depression and dust bowl and moved further and further west.
But like the Welsh and eventually the Southern Europeans, a whole European ethnic hierarchy thing got ingrained into the psyche (and Hitler's obsession over his fictious idea of "Nordics" didn't help).
But inevitably as soon as you bring in descendants of a different continent, whether it be Africa, North/South America, or Asia, then suddenly there is de facto "kinship" among the Europeans against non-Europeans.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)While researching the family of my deceased brother in law I found some very interesting history about his ancestors. His ancestor and brother came from the mining area of Gelnica, Slovakia, which had guilds for the miners.
After immigrating to the coal mining area around Birmingham, Alabama, they started unions - and unlike many included blacks in their miners union. Between the union activity and mining disasters - the original ancestor was killed at the age of 72 in a coal mine collapse - mining in northern Alabama was shut down for a while.
Other family members worked as miners in Harlan, Kentucky. They'd leave their families in Alabama, travel to Kentucky to work and return when they could.
twodogsbarking
(9,736 posts)Sometimes they blew it by accident. There was never an air raid. Guess it worked.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)Like in Hawai'i - for a Tsunami Warning -
What was interesting in the above was to hear the difference between the Tsunami Warning vs a Nuke Warning in Hawai'i.
LeftInTX
(25,269 posts)I think some towns still test their emergency sirens once a month
Tornado sirens are still a thing..
twodogsbarking
(9,736 posts)with the ten commandments on the court house steps. That keeps them safe now.
LeftInTX
(25,269 posts)PatSeg
(47,418 posts)where the siren went off every Tuesday at 2:00 pm, as a test. I recall it being used for an actual emergency only once, but can't remember what it was now, maybe flooding conditions. It sounded like the warning systems used in World War II.
Igel
(35,300 posts)1 pm. Fire station ... right next to the high school and about 1/4 mile from the elementary school. Probably originally an air raid siren, most of us used it for checking our watches.
As for the Minden siren, I stayed in Minden for a few days in the late '80s helping somebody pack up his and his wife's things and move. He'd had a couple of businesses run out of the barn in the back, and had bought the house in the late '20s. Didn't notice the siren.
As for its use as a warning, having it blare at the same time each day has always made little sense--in December, sunset's a bit after 5 pm, in August it's around 8 pm (without the daylight savings time added hour).
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)I mean, people have watches, right?
The town needs to ask itself, "what happens if we stop doing this" and the answer is "everyone can relax."
This is not a hard choice.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)Not if we don't teach about it. Not if we don't acknowlege it. It never happened and even if it did, it's over. Just ask John Roberts. He declared it so...
twodogsbarking
(9,736 posts)It was part of the culture. Movies too.
flying_wahini
(6,589 posts)How many times would they fix it until they didnt?
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)and the assholes of this town refuse - simply in order to be assholes.
marble falls
(57,079 posts)... I lived in, blew theirs for the farmers at noon and 6:00. The noon one told the wives to load up dinner and get it to the fields around 1:00 or 2:00 and the 6:00 told the farmers to come in for supper.
It was love/hate with that siren. I love local color and the rhythm of farming community life, but the siren was mounted on the elementary school across the back alley from our house. It was also the tornado siren. I'd get a half hour of siren serenade once or twice every summer.
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)every evening (sundown) for the simple reason that trout fishing in the state park was done for the day. It would startle one if they were not expecting it, and I had fond memories of this but after this sad chapter in this post, with the reasoning of the sirens back then, I am tempered by hearing such things now.
We still test the sirens in STLMO for tornadoes every Monday or so...
Omaha Steve
(99,601 posts)Feature piece, not LBN.