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BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:04 PM Aug 2021

Babies and Toddlers Spread Virus in Homes More Easily Than Teens, Study Finds

Source: New York Times

Babies and toddlers are less likely to bring the coronavirus into their homes than teenagers are, but once they are infected, they are more likely to spread the virus to others in their households, according to a large new study by a Canadian public health agency. The findings can be explained, at least in part, by behavioral factors, experts said, including the fact that very young children require lots of hands-on care and cannot be isolated when they are sick. The study, which was published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics on Monday, does not resolve an ongoing debate over whether infected children are as contagious as adults, and it does not suggest that toddlers are driving the pandemic.

But it demonstrates that even very young children can still play a role. “This study showed that even the youngest of children readily transmit the virus,” said Zoe Hyde, an epidemiologist at the University of Western Australia, who was not involved in the research. She added: “The key takeaway for me is that it clearly shows that there’s transmission from children occurring in the household. This means we urgently need to think about how we’re going to protect schools when they reopen shortly.” During the early months of the pandemic, some scientists suggested that young children, in particular, rarely got infected with or transmitted the virus.

But those observations may have been distorted by the fact that most children had few social encounters during that time. “I think they were biased by the fact that children were sequestered at home,” said Dr. Tina V. Hartert, a respiratory epidemiologist at Vanderbilt University, who was not involved in the new study. “They were recommended not even to play with neighbors, they didn’t go to school, they didn’t go to day care.” The new study, which was conducted by researchers at Public Health Ontario, is based on records of Covid-19 cases and positive coronavirus tests in Ontario from June 1 to Dec. 31, 2020.

The researchers identified all positive tests associated with private households and then identified the “index case” — the first person to develop Covid-19 symptoms or test positive for the virus — in each household. They focused on 6,280 households in which the first person to catch the virus was under 18. Then they looked for secondary cases, or others in the same home who got sick in the two weeks after the first child fell ill. In most cases, they found, the chain of transmission stopped with the infected child, but in 27.3 percent of households, children passed the virus along to at least one other resident.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/health/covid-kids-toddlers-transmission.html



I am glad they are slowly batting away the "children are almost immune" (or it's "extremely extremely rare" ) narrative that had been going on for well over a year.

What this is actually establishing is that a year ago, due to schools and daycares being shut down and kids being kept home (and/or with some relative or acquaintance, with little or no "outside" interaction, including the eventual creation of so-called "pods", with children only interacting with others who were part of the same restricted "pod" or group), this actually mitigated the spread to/from them. Meanwhile adults still had to go out and work or shop, or be engaged in other activities.

One exposure by an infected adult to a child and game on, with the child apparently spreading it as much as the adults (although possibly being more asymptomatic so not tested).

I.e., just because the confirmed cases were "low" among children, this is s howing that it was not because of something special about them outside of straight-forward imposed mitigation, prompted by shutdowns, etc.
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Babies and Toddlers Spread Virus in Homes More Easily Than Teens, Study Finds (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 OP
People spend more close face time with young children. Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #1
As a mother of a teenager, this is very accurate. dewsgirl Aug 2021 #4
"Not a lot of teens want to sit on their caregivers' lap, be carried on their shoulder" BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #6
True facts! 🤣 ShazzieB Aug 2021 #7
My brother brought chicken pox home to me when I was about 2. Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #9
Not surprised Dopers_Greed Aug 2021 #2
All the more reasons parents and caregivers should be vaxxed. viva la Aug 2021 #3
Is this news? Deminpenn Aug 2021 #5
Yes it is BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #8
It's not news that when one person in a household gets sick Deminpenn Aug 2021 #14
But how physicians and epidemiologists have characterized the impact of COVID-19 on children BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #15
Plus teens can be vaccinated IronLionZion Aug 2021 #10
"...that very young children require lots of hands-on care and cannot be isolated when they are sick 3catwoman3 Aug 2021 #11
That was my take as well BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #12
A daycare in Vaughn, just north of Toronto, luvtheGWN Aug 2021 #13
Even young kids are petri dishes, I spent a year in a classroom with disabled preschoolers Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #16
Yeah I think it has always been common knowledge that kids are incubators BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #17
I remember that and it's turned out to be a dangerous myth Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #18

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
1. People spend more close face time with young children.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:09 PM
Aug 2021

Not a lot of teens want to sit on their caregivers’ lap, be carried on their shoulder, or smother their face with kisses.

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
6. "Not a lot of teens want to sit on their caregivers' lap, be carried on their shoulder"
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:30 PM
Aug 2021

I take it you've never met my 15-year old niece!

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
7. True facts! 🤣
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:36 PM
Aug 2021

Also, anyone who's lived in the same household with a small child knows what petri dishes they are. With their immature immune systems, they catch almost everything they're exposed to (that they haven't been vaccinated for), and as soon as they start going to school, preschool, daycare, etc., with the regular exposure to other kids that entails, they all start passing infections back and forth and bringing those infections home to whoever they live with. It makes perfect sense to me that the same thing would happen with covid.

I went to school in the days when there was no mmr vaccine and no chicken pox vaccine. There were epidemics of those diseases in school every year, and I caught each one (except mumps) somewhere along the line. My younger sister got chicken pox before she was 2 years old because I brought it home from school.

When kids share time with each other, they also share whatever germs they've picked up. It's a fact of life!

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
9. My brother brought chicken pox home to me when I was about 2.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:48 PM
Aug 2021

So yeah, just a fact of life with little ones. The first year I worked in elementary schools I swear I had a cold the entire time. Two years of that and I haven’t had one since, years later.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
2. Not surprised
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:23 PM
Aug 2021

Kids spread germs like crazy, and are frequently very close physically to any adult in the room.

All my friends with younger kids get the flu every single year without fail, whereas the last time I had it was 2008.

viva la

(3,286 posts)
3. All the more reasons parents and caregivers should be vaxxed.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:23 PM
Aug 2021

I will never understand why parents would resist that.

Deminpenn

(15,278 posts)
5. Is this news?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:28 PM
Aug 2021

During flu season, the exact same thing happens. A kid gets sick at school or from friends or on the bus and pretty soon everyone in the household is sick too.

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
8. Yes it is
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:45 PM
Aug 2021

due to both the medical and government narratives the past year that claimed that children rarely contracted or spread COVID-19. It went along with the same sort of nonsense about there not being any such thing as "asymptomatic" people or "aerosolized virus". And unfortunately once that was put out there, it was pounded over and over throughout the media.

I.e., this was an example of the prevailing narrative last year -

Coronavirus: Why kids aren’t the germbags, and grownups are

As school districts sweat over reopening plans, a growing body of research suggests young children are unlikely to transmit COVID-19 virus. They get it from us.


By Lisa M. Krieger | lkrieger@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: July 10, 2020 at 9:39 a.m. | UPDATED: July 13, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.

As schools contemplate reopening amid rising COVID-19 cases, an awkward truth is emerging: Adults are the problem, not our kids. For months, we’ve kept children carefully isolated, pleading with them to behave, wear masks, wipe their boogers and not hug Gram and Grandpa. We’ve assumed this new virus acts just like the flu and common cold — so classrooms full of kids would create one giant cootie colony. But a growing body of research suggests young children aren’t responsible for most viral transmission.

Based on these findings, school-based transmission could be a manageable problem, particularly for elementary school aged-children who appear to be at the lowest risk of infection, according to a recent commentary in the journal Pediatrics. “The evidence suggests that children are less likely to become infected, less likely to develop severe disease and less likely to transmit the virus to other children and adults,” said co-author and pediatrician Dr. William Raszka Jr. of the University of Vermont School of Medicine.

“It is wildly different from flu.” If confirmed, this is good news for teachers, whose classrooms can feel like big Petri dishes. It’s a relief for parents, weary of juggling work and childcare. Best of all, it’s good for kids, who aren’t learning or playing with friends. At the same time, more work must be done to prove that kids are truly harmless, experts cautioned. Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at a Thursday briefing.

Federal researchers are now closely tracking 6,000 people in 2,000 families to determine who gets infected with the virus, whether they transmit it to other family members, and who gets sick. Transmission in elementary school seems lower than in high schools, according to Dr. Naomi Bardach, associate professor of UCSF’s Department of Pediatrics. There’s limited data on middle-school and preschool children, she said. Based on her analysis of research, “staff and teachers, as adults, are more likely to transmit it to each other,” she said.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/10/coronavirus-why-kids-arent-the-germbags-and-grownups-are/


I expect the study noted in the above article from last year, is what is being reported in the JAMA publication today that basically torpedoed the idea of children not "spreading".

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
15. But how physicians and epidemiologists have characterized the impact of COVID-19 on children
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:28 AM
Aug 2021

was that people didn't have to "worry" about children being infected or spreading it in a household because they were unlikely to contract it.

So it is another "walk back" of assumptions.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
10. Plus teens can be vaccinated
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:54 PM
Aug 2021

It's still not approved for young kids.

Anyone who has been around small kids like for holidays or something, know how easily it is to catch colds and flus from them.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
11. "...that very young children require lots of hands-on care and cannot be isolated when they are sick
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 07:06 PM
Aug 2021

The phrase, "No shit, Sherlock," springs to mind.

A study was needed to ascertain this?

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
12. That was my take as well
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 07:15 PM
Aug 2021

Which is why I was frustrated last year with the claims that children "rarely contracted it", and somehow suggesting that it was because of the virus itself.

Well what it really seems to have turned out to be was that we made sure kids had the very "mitigation strategies" imposed on them that we needed to have and still need to have imposed on adults and teens. And the main thing that seems to have happened with them in general is that they were either asymptomatic or had what probably mimicked regular "childhood" ailments that they normally get (coughs, fever, etc.) because their immune systems are still being formed, so they were not tested anywhere near as much as adults were.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
13. A daycare in Vaughn, just north of Toronto,
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:11 PM
Aug 2021

has 16 young kids, plus an adult, testing positive for Covid. Parents, who KNEW their child had Covid, knowingly dropped the child off, who then proceeded to pass it along to the others. The parents have been fined (4 or 5 figures, can't remember which) and are also facing possible criminal charges.

There are selfish, nasty people everywhere .

Rhiannon12866

(205,220 posts)
16. Even young kids are petri dishes, I spent a year in a classroom with disabled preschoolers
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 06:01 AM
Aug 2021

They needed a lot of physical help, like lunch, taken to the rest room, putting on boots, jackets and hats to go home. And I went to kindergarten at a private school - since my grandmother had taught there. But my parents didn't think it was worth the tuition since I was out more than I was there (I remember them saying). I do remember that I had the mumps since my Dad took pictures.

BumRushDaShow

(128,855 posts)
17. Yeah I think it has always been common knowledge that kids are incubators
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 06:30 AM
Aug 2021

But it seems the past year, until now, the health officials summarily threw out all common sense and dismissed COVID-19 infections in children, only characterizing it as "very rare" and sometimes relenting with a "Well a tiny few have contracted 'MIS-C' (Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome in Children) but otherwise the disease in children is nothing to worry about!!!11!!!!".

Just the natural tendency for young children to cluster with others, particularly when playing, has really been concerning but there isn't much that can be done about a natural behavior without extreme isolation, which people try to avoid doing.

Rhiannon12866

(205,220 posts)
18. I remember that and it's turned out to be a dangerous myth
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 06:44 AM
Aug 2021

We've even heard tragic cases of Covid in young babies. And, like you said, young kids aren't big on boundaries, so I can see it spreading among them - like the mumps did back in the day of my kindergarten class.

And the other myth is that young kids can't wear masks. They were mandated in the schools here and I'd see even young kids getting off the school buses still wearing masks. At that age, if they're all doing it, they'll just accept it as normal.

I went to a family funeral last week - my Dad's cousin died of Covid even though she was fully vaccinated. (I know that at least that branch of my family are lifelong Democrats.) The service was in the Catholic Church and it was a pretty long mass. Every single person there was wearing a mask - including the priest. They even had disposable masks on offer at the entrance. My point is that there was a little boy of not more than five sitting right in front of me - and he was wearing a mask. I was impressed at how good he was and the mask was small like he was and he seemed perfectly used to it.

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