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Omaha Steve

(99,465 posts)
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 07:49 PM Aug 2021

Detainee says China has secret jail in Dubai, holds Uyghurs

Source: AP

A young Chinese woman says she was held for eight days at a Chinese-run secret detention facility in Dubai along with at least two Uyghurs, in what may be the first evidence that China is operating a so-called “black site” beyond its borders.

The woman, 26-year-old Wu Huan, was on the run to avoid extradition back to China because her fiancé was considered a Chinese dissident. Wu told The Associated Press she was abducted from a hotel in Dubai and detained by Chinese officials at a villa converted into a jail, where she saw or heard two other prisoners, both Uyghurs.

She was questioned and threatened in Chinese and forced to sign legal documents incriminating her fiancé for harassing her, she said. She was finally released on June 8 and is now seeking asylum in the Netherlands.

While “black sites” are common in China, Wu’s account is the only testimony known to experts that Beijing has set one up in another country. Such a site would reflect how China is increasingly using its international clout to detain or bring back citizens it wants from overseas, whether they are dissidents, corruption suspects or ethnic minorities like the Uyghurs.



Wu Huan speaks during an interview in a safe house in the Ukraine on Wednesday, June 30, 2021. Wu claims that she was held for eight days at a Chinese-run “black site” in Dubai along with at least two Uyghurs, in what may be the first evidence that China is operating a secret detention facility beyond its borders. She was on the run from the threat of being sent back to her home country because of her support of her fiance, Wang Jingyu, a perceived Chinese dissident. (AP Photo)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/china-dubai-uyghurs-60d049c387b99b1238ebd5f1d3bb3330

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marble falls

(56,943 posts)
2. And what moral high ground do we preach from? We have had black site prisons and we ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:36 PM
Aug 2021

... render people to them who have no records or knowledge of where we sent them or why.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
4. Enough of the whataboutism
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:07 PM
Aug 2021

We don't support black site prisons when the US runs them.

Why would we shrug when the Chinese do it?

marble falls

(56,943 posts)
8. You misunderstand. I didn't like it when we did it, I don't like it better when the Chinese ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:19 PM
Aug 2021

... do it. There are nations with a better moral standing than us to lead on this.

We still can't treat PoC well in this country, yet. We don't have any cover on how any other nation treats others.

The US can sign the petition, but we don't have the standing to lead the parade.

If anyone wants to call this "whataboutism", they are wrong.

Irish_Dem

(46,339 posts)
5. Yep. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:08 PM
Aug 2021

China is well on its way to superpower status I guess.

marble falls

(56,943 posts)
9. Remember when the US was the "Temple on the Hill"? It is a shame we provided so many bad ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:23 PM
Aug 2021

... examples and worse when they expand on them.

It absolutely didn't have to be this way. "

We coulda bin a contender."

Irish_Dem

(46,339 posts)
11. Right, the US is not going to hold onto sole superpower status.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 07:47 AM
Aug 2021

It no longer has the moral high ground, is divided internally, no longer believes in democratic principals

Ford_Prefect

(7,863 posts)
3. Wrong is wrong is wrong. It is no excuse that because our govt. has used them we should be silent.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:03 PM
Aug 2021

Our black sites are and were in violation of our own laws along with international treaties approved by Congress. The Cheney era sites were particularly egregious.

I do not accept the philosophy that goes with them.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
6. I've heard this before
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:14 PM
Aug 2021

Apparently they're renting out big groups of Uyghurs all over the place, pocketing most of the money, and barely feeding and housing the workers. It's mostly within China, but it seems Xi is branching out.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
10. Only reason to run such a "black site" is to avoid jurisdiction ...
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:25 AM
Aug 2021

Why is China supposedly running such a site far from home, which could more easily just be added to the other "normal" detention centers?

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