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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,881 posts)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:22 PM Aug 2021

18 midshipmen exit U.S. Naval Academy following cheating scandal

Source: NBC News

Eighteen midshipmen have been expelled or resigned from the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., after an investigation concluded they cheated on a remote physics exam in December 2020, according to school officials.

On that month, 653 midshipmen took the final exam for General Physics I through the online platform myopenmath.com in order to limit in-person contact during the Covid-19 pandemic, according to a statement from the academy released Friday.

Officials said students, who were mostly sophomores, were given written and verbal instructions prohibiting them from using any "outside sources to complete the exam, including other websites."

Vice Adm. Sean Buck, the academy’s superintendent, requested an investigation after learning that many midshipmen may have used outside sources during the test. Some of the allegations came to light in an anonymous chat platform students used to discuss the exam after taking it, according to the academy.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/18-midshipmen-exit-us-naval-academy-following-cheating-scandal/ar-AANzH3j?li=BBnb7Kz

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18 midshipmen exit U.S. Naval Academy following cheating scandal (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 OP
best and brightest... Kittycatkat Aug 2021 #1
Republican recruiters will be all over them Champp Aug 2021 #2
their peeps for sure Kittycatkat Aug 2021 #6
Counterintuitively, I believe the best and brightest to be OCS harumph Aug 2021 #3
sounds about right, children of privilege cheating their way to the top... Kittycatkat Aug 2021 #7
Nah. Can't buy into the class resentment fantasy that advantaged Hortensis Aug 2021 #19
The best officers are the prior-enlisted ones IMO. Crowman2009 Aug 2021 #8
Yes James48 Aug 2021 #14
My tank platoon leader when I was in the Gulf in 1991 was a mustang. Aristus Aug 2021 #16
My father went through OCS and was commissioned, regular Army.... sdfernando Aug 2021 #10
I went through the Army's WOC (warrant officer candidate) program in 1969. Bo Zarts Aug 2021 #11
Many, perhaps but I wouldn't say most Major Nikon Aug 2021 #13
It is a shame that some of our best and brightest kids succumb to the overwhelming pressure to Chainfire Aug 2021 #4
Something to this. We really need develop and prioritize good character Hortensis Aug 2021 #18
The bad news for them is that they must pay the government back for their education costs. twin_ghost Aug 2021 #5
Fools Pas-de-Calais Aug 2021 #9
Fucked around and found out Major Nikon Aug 2021 #12
it's always physics or that electricity exam Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #15
Wannabe ring-knockers pfitz59 Aug 2021 #17

harumph

(1,897 posts)
3. Counterintuitively, I believe the best and brightest to be OCS
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:50 PM
Aug 2021

...not the academy. Goes against the received wisdom - but many Academy cadets are
simply well connected. Because they're not as connected, (OCS) are often thought of as second class.
There is an elite clearinghouse in this country that would have you believe the best minds are
coming from the Ivy leagues and the military academies. We've seen what the "best minds" can
do and it ain't pretty. I'm not making the case for crap colleges - only that you could go to
an middle-upper tier university and throw a rock and hit someone more qualified than
many appointees.

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
7. sounds about right, children of privilege cheating their way to the top...
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:01 PM
Aug 2021

just like their parents did.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Nah. Can't buy into the class resentment fantasy that advantaged
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:13 AM
Aug 2021

children tend to be spoiled cheaters and that having to work harder for admission makes people more honorable. Anyone can be ambitious and hardworking. Neither training nor struggle will instill a strong moral core in someone who doesn't have the right stuff in himself.

'We've seen what the "best minds" can do and it ain't pretty."' Boy, have we.

We need the best people.

“This above all: to thine own self be true
And it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man/Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!”

James48

(4,432 posts)
14. Yes
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:48 PM
Aug 2021

Especially if they were NCOs before OCS. I was a Staff Sergeant in an SFC slot, and they said i would have to wait 5 more years before I had enough time in service to make SFC. So I went to OCS instead. Best thing I ever did.

Aristus

(66,310 posts)
16. My tank platoon leader when I was in the Gulf in 1991 was a mustang.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 10:52 PM
Aug 2021

He did an enlisted hitch as a tank crewman, then went to OCS and got a commission. We respected the hell out of him.

sdfernando

(4,929 posts)
10. My father went through OCS and was commissioned, regular Army....
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:25 PM
Aug 2021

for much of his career he operated in postings well above his actual rank.

Bo Zarts

(25,392 posts)
11. I went through the Army's WOC (warrant officer candidate) program in 1969.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:52 PM
Aug 2021

It was and is the hardest, and best, thing that I have ever done. I was fixed-wing (95% of Army aviation at that time was rotary wing). I graduated #1 in my class and was immediately offered a direct commission. Why would I want to do that? The warrant officer rank was by far the best in the Army then, and with extra grades I hear that it is even better now.

There are the jokes about chief warrants making themselves scarce (check), or hanging around the office coffee machine (check), or missing mandatory formations (double check!). I missed a mandatory battalion formation at Ft. Sill, a few months after I returned from Vietnam. A captain was having a hissy (so I was told), and the colonel said, "Captain, get over it! Chief Zarts is flying me to White Sands in the C-47 right after lunch. He doesn't need to be up this damn early!"

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Many, perhaps but I wouldn't say most
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:09 PM
Aug 2021

Most if not all members of Congress follow a pretty rigorous standard selection process. It’s fair to say that for any prestigious learning institution, being well connected gets you a leg up. I believe this is less true for service academies than for Ivy League universities.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
4. It is a shame that some of our best and brightest kids succumb to the overwhelming pressure to
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:52 PM
Aug 2021

succeed in a very high pressure environment, and now they have to go home in shame. For many of them it will feel like the end of the world. I feel sorry for them for I remember some of the dumb shit I did when I was 18 or 19. Remember, most of those cadets aren't yet old enough to drink. I can find a place in my heart to forgive them and hope that they recover from their error.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Something to this. We really need develop and prioritize good character
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:56 AM
Aug 2021

in those being funneled to positions of responsibility, really choose for it, and this is a winnowing. But these adolescents for the most part were raised in societies where dishonesty and immoral behavior in general are so pervasive as to be mostly normal and expected.

Absolutely I hope the good ones go on to do good things and any smelly eggs get permanent setbacks. At least none will be a Lt Gl Flynn, though they can still shoot for president or just mayor of NYC,

twin_ghost

(435 posts)
5. The bad news for them is that they must pay the government back for their education costs.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 06:53 PM
Aug 2021

A four year degree at Annapolis costs $200k.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
12. Fucked around and found out
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:05 PM
Aug 2021

Cheating at any of the service academies = instant dismissal. There’s no way they couldn’t have known this.

pfitz59

(10,344 posts)
17. Wannabe ring-knockers
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:50 PM
Aug 2021

Got in the Academy on the recommendation of their GQP Congressmen. Selected for 'religious and political conformity', not for brains. Some make it in on academic merits, but far too many are selected for church or political affiliation. And then there are the "jock rocks" selected to make a football team out of a gaggle of would-be engineers. This group are the ones who got caught.. Guaranteed many more are 'pencil-whipping' their exams.

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