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BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 03:39 PM Sep 2021

Haitian migrants cleared from camp at Texas border but controversy continues

Source: ABC News

After more than a week of growing controversy, immigration authorities in Del Rio, Texas, on Friday finished clearing out an encampment of mostly Haitian migrants that at one point expanded to about 15,000 people. "As of this morning, there are no longer any migrants in the camp, underneath the Del Rio International Bridge," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said at a White House briefing Friday afternoon.

So far, more than a dozen flights have taken about 2,000 people back to Haiti, according to the Department of Homeland Security. About 3,900 have been moved from the camp for processing or expulsion.

The U.S. government has not accounted for all the migrants in the camp, but officials on Thursday said "several thousand" had returned to Mexico. Other government officials who spoke directly to ABC News but were not authorized to officially provide the information said "thousands" more have been placed in "removal proceedings" and released in the U.S.

Those proceedings can take time, officials said, in part because migrants in removal proceedings are legally allowed to make a claim of asylum. Asylum cases can take anywhere from six months and several years with the massive case backlog at immigration courts across the country.


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/haitian-migrants-cleared-camp-texas-border-controversy-continues/story?id=80215104



With the assassination of Haiti's President back in July, I expect there would be asylum seekers...
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Haitian migrants cleared from camp at Texas border but controversy continues (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 OP
how many should go back to Brazil? RainCaster Sep 2021 #1
I was surprised not to hear a peep about whether any had gone to French Guiana BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #2
thanks for that...most news stillcool Sep 2021 #3
Supposedly most of that group who showed up at the border BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #4
well golly gee... stillcool Sep 2021 #5
Many of the Central Americans who would "suddenly" show up at the border BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #6
Yeah, because the vast majority of Haitian asylum seekers usually arrive in FL via boat. Crowman2009 Sep 2021 #7
In this case BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #9
"The U.S. has allowed about 12,400 to enter the country" dalton99a Sep 2021 #8
Heard there is a potential large mass migration of 20,000 more from South America developing now MichMan Sep 2021 #10

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
2. I was surprised not to hear a peep about whether any had gone to French Guiana
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:43 PM
Sep 2021

since that is the only French-speaking country in South America and I did just find this - https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-33648-haiti-social-mass-arrival-in-french-guiana-of-haitian-asylum-seekers.html

So that sortof gave me one clue of all the machinations going on in South America and it sortof confirmed some of my suspicions about what was going with the Texas situation and the real "how" (i.e., this thing about all of those people "walking" all that way is ridiculous) .

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
3. thanks for that...most news
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:23 PM
Sep 2021

I've seen, and it looks like it's been going on for a while.



Haiti - Social : Mass arrival in French Guiana of Haitian asylum seekers
05/05/2021 10:54:44

Haiti - Social : Mass arrival in French Guiana of Haitian asylum seekers 143 people of Haitian origin including unaccompanied minors, provided with a Covid test of less than 72 hours, presented themselves in Saint-Laurent du Maroni, a town on the border with French Guiana and were authorized to cross the Iracoubo road checkpoint (Covid control) in order to reach the Cayenne asylum seekers reception platform within a maximum of 48 hours

In a press release from the prefecture qualifies these Haitian nationals seeking asylum from Suriname as "mass arrival". This sudden migratory flow was caused by the arrival of 6 charter flights in Suriname totaling 600 Haitian passengers on tourist visas. The Prefecture recalls the will of the French State to "fight against illegal immigration, its abuses and its drifts" and underlines "beyond the individual administrative treatment of asylum seekers, whose deadline has been reduced to two months [...] Investigations are being carried out both in France and also in Suriname, in order to determine the possible existence of criminal networks specializing in human trafficking."

Note that following this massive and abnormal arrival of Haitians in two weeks, President Santokhi suspended all flights from Haiti until further notice related to the results of an ongoing investigation...

https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-33648-haiti-social-mass-arrival-in-french-guiana-of-haitian-asylum-seekers.html



Haiti - FLASH : Suriname suspends all flights from Haiti
01/05/2021 10:39:53

In the space of 2 weeks, 6 charter flights arrived from Haiti to Suriname in April 2021 carrying a total of nearly 600 Haitian passengers on tourist visas including many unaccompanied children.

At the same time, the sub-prefecture recorded a record number of asylum requests that Haitians justified by citing insecurity, kidnapping, assassinations as the main reason for their asylum request, which prompted the authorities prefectures of French Guiana, to seize the French Ambassador to Surinam.

The President of Suriname, Chan Santokhi, has decided to open an investigation to determine the legality of these so-called "humanitarian" charters from Haiti, in the midst of a health crisis, and who organize them.
https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-33614-haiti-flash-suriname-suspends-all-flights-from-haiti.html

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
4. Supposedly most of that group who showed up at the border
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:03 PM
Sep 2021

had left Haiti back after the 2010 earthquake. As much as the media have shown all those poor overloaded rickety boats attempting to get to Florida over the years, I didn't realize there was an out-migration to South America.

I know the Caribbean Islands and South America are all part of the OAS (Organization of American States), which the U.S. is supposedly a part of, so I wasn't sure what all they were doing with people moving between the islands and 2 continents.

I had scanned some CT stuff on DU about what might have also been going on and it wouldn't surprise me one bit -

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215889432
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215890255

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. well golly gee...
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:23 PM
Sep 2021

I must have missed school that day. Thanks even more! That human trafficking thing seems to be a real money-maker, on so many fronts.

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
6. Many of the Central Americans who would "suddenly" show up at the border
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:30 PM
Sep 2021

were often brought part of the way there via that type of thing.

Crowman2009

(2,494 posts)
7. Yeah, because the vast majority of Haitian asylum seekers usually arrive in FL via boat.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:19 AM
Sep 2021

This whole going through an exponentially longer land route seems quite odd.

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
9. In this case
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:16 AM
Sep 2021

the "Haitian boat people" narrative was one tiny part of their actual migration pattern and was pretty much "all" that we were "shown" that directly impacted the U.S,. and was of course the only thing that made the news here.

However these folks left Haiti after the 2010 earthquake and scattered all over the Caribbean and South America (not just trying to come directly to the U.S.), which was surprising to me that I didn't even think of that obvious scenario, but it made sense. The President at the time of that quake - René Préval, had embraced and established trade with many of the OAS countries - notably South America, and particularly Venezuela when Chavez was there, so that is probably the source of that "connection".

I found this that has added more pieces to the jigsaw puzzle and again, makes the situation much clearer regarding Brazil (which just didn't connect until now, regarding "why there"? ) -

The silent exodus of Latin America’s Haitian population

After the 2010 earthquake that devastated the Caribbean nation, tens of thousands of people traveled to Brazil and Chile. Now they are looking to enter the US, but face many challenges on the journey

Santiago Torrado|Rocío Montes|Lorena Arroyo|Carla Jiménez|Jorge Galindo
Bogotá / Santiago de Chile / Mexico / São Paulo - 11 Aug 2021 - 8:00 EDT

Haitian migration to Latin America has been widely documented for the last decade, but a new and dangerous focus point is growing on the jungle border between Colombia and Panama. Thousands of migrants are currently stuck in the Colombian municipality of Necoclí, creating a bottleneck at the Darién Gap. If they make it through the dense jungle, their journey continues through Central America towards the north, with the United States as the desired destination. As for so many others, Mexico has become a host nation for the Haitian exodus as they attempt to cross the border into the United States. It is a crisis with unprecedented numbers, as Haiti remains mired in instability after the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse.

(snip)

The migratory earthquake

Although instability is recurrent in Haiti, the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, the initial exodus had a clear trigger: the devastating earthquake of January 12, 2010. Since then, many Haitians have migrated to South America, mainly to Brazil. At that time, construction workers were in demand to build the infrastructure for the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. They arrived in the giant South American country mainly through Acre and Amazonas states, in the north of the country. As of August 2020, there were more than 143,000 Haitians in Brazil, with a strong presence in São Paulo and Rio Grande do Sul, on the border with Argentina. Most obtained permanent residency for humanitarian reasons and Haitians became one of the largest immigrant and refugee communities until they were overtaken by Venezuelans in 2018. The pandemic sharply reduced this flow of Haitian migrants. With no job opportunities and the economy at a standstill, many tried to move to other countries, while the number of requests for residency and asylum fell, according to data from the Immigration Department of the Brazilian Ministry of Justice. In 2020, 6,613 applications for refugee status were registered, down 40% from the previous year.

(snip)

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-08-11/the-silent-exodus-of-latin-americas-haitian-population.html


And this helped to confirm and was a ding ding ding ding ding ding ding moment -

Rio Wins 2016 Olympics in a First for South America


By Juliet Macur

Oct. 2, 2009

COPENHAGEN — When Rio de Janeiro was elected host city for the 2016 Olympic Games on Friday, the room where its bid team gathered turned into a boisterous party with members in uniform navy or moss green blazers hugging, dancing, crying and waving Brazilian flags. The bid leader, Carlos Arthur Nuzman, yelled, “We did it! We did it!”

Rio and Chicago had gone into the day considered the favorites, ahead of Tokyo and Madrid. But by the time Rio was chosen by the International Olympic Committee to become the first South American city to host the Olympics, the Chicago delegation and its star-studded supporters were nowhere in sight. They had already left the building.

Despite the support of President Obama, who flew in specifically to address the I.O.C. voters, Chicago finished last, out of the running in the first round of voting, with a paltry 18 of a total 94 votes. Tokyo received 22, with Rio getting 26 and Madrid 28. In each round, until one city gains a majority, the low vote-getter is eliminated. After Chicago was tossed aside, nearly all of its votes went straight to Rio in the second round. In the third, after Tokyo was eliminated, Rio won handily, 66-32.

The chance to bring the Olympics to a continent that had never hosted the Games worked in Rio’s favor. During its presentation, the bid team showed a graphic of the world and marked all the places that have held an Olympics. South America was glaringly bare.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/sports/03olympics.html


So a year before that 2010 earthquake, Rio won their bid for the 2016 Olympics and having minimal (true) infrastructure to host, they needed to create it fast, and workers to do that were needed and Haitian immigrants could fill the bill - and probably for all sorts of associated functions surrounding the Olympics like hospitality services (and according to the article, the same had been needed for the earlier World Cup events).

So you had this (per the UN's Migration organization) -



and then this -



Am guessing that after that 2nd earthquake, the instability of Haiti after the assassination of the President there, and then probably noticing the airlifts of the Afghans here, they made their move and I expect many of them were aided by shady "immigrant services" smugglers promising transport to the border and (fake) visas for a big fee.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
8. "The U.S. has allowed about 12,400 to enter the country"
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:49 AM
Sep 2021
Mayorkas said about 2,000 Haitians have been rapidly expelled on 17 flights since Sunday and more could be expelled in coming days under pandemic powers that deny people the chance to seek asylum.

He said the U.S. has allowed about 12,400 to enter the country, at least temporarily, while they make claims before an immigration judge to stay in the country under the asylum laws or for some other legal reason. They could ultimately be denied and would be subject to removal.

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-texas-caribbean-67a91b80b0e9661472af9f31b0becafd

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
10. Heard there is a potential large mass migration of 20,000 more from South America developing now
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

The people who were allowed to stay are likely calling home saying they got in, and urging others that they better come now since the border is open. The administration needs to get this under control somehow as it is going to multiply.

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