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Takket

(21,528 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 09:33 PM Oct 2021

Whistle-Blower to Accuse Facebook of Contributing to Jan. 6 Riot, Memo Says

Source: New York Times

SAN FRANCISCO — Facebook, which has been under fire from a former employee who has revealed that the social network knew of many of the harms it was causing, was bracing for new accusations over the weekend from the whistle-blower and said in a memo that it was preparing to mount a vigorous defense.

The whistle-blower, whose identity has not been publicly disclosed, planned to accuse the company of relaxing its security safeguards for the 2020 election too soon after Election Day, which then led it to be used in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the internal memo obtained by The New York Times. The whistle-blower planned to discuss the allegations on “60 Minutes” on Sunday, the memo said, and was also set to say that Facebook had contributed to political polarization in the United States.

The 1,500-word memo, written by Nick Clegg, Facebook’s vice president of policy and global affairs, was sent on Friday to employees to pre-empt the whistle-blower’s interview. Mr. Clegg pushed back strongly on what he said were the coming accusations, calling them “misleading.” “60 Minutes” published a teaser of the interview in advance of its segment on Sunday.

“Social media has had a big impact on society in recent years, and Facebook is often a place where much of this debate plays out,” he wrote. “But what evidence there is simply does not support the idea that Facebook, or social media more generally, is the primary cause of polarization.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/technology/whistle-blower-facebook-memo.html



Facebook should not be allowed to exist in its current form. Zuckerberg should be in prison.
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Whistle-Blower to Accuse Facebook of Contributing to Jan. 6 Riot, Memo Says (Original Post) Takket Oct 2021 OP
woooo YoshidaYui Oct 2021 #1
Good - I hope it results in anti-trust action and company is broken up. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #2
Several years ago grumpyduck Oct 2021 #3
I've got an idea! Let's wrap duct tape... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #4
what does that have to do with FB? Skittles Oct 2021 #6
Attempts to "regulate" or to "break up" Facebook. reACTIONary Oct 2021 #8
nonsense Skittles Oct 2021 #10
In fact, I think that... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #27
the Electoral College certainly has outlived its purpose Skittles Oct 2021 #32
So the solution to thee problem... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #33
disseminating false information regarding vaccination is harmful to public health Skittles Oct 2021 #34
What does that have to do with the election? And... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #35
that is AN EXAMPLE Skittles Oct 2021 #37
LOL, "fascist" FB. 🤣 There are many things... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #40
Because no one ever communicated... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #14
And yet, I use the service Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #24
I don't either... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #26
Yes - They are disiminating missinformation. Zuck himself.... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #29
Yes, can poster name which part to break off without destroying all the pieces? I think they can't. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #22
It's spelled "polarization" orangecrush Oct 2021 #16
Nope. It's spelled differently Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #23
I is! reACTIONary Oct 2021 #28
... orangecrush Oct 2021 #36
"Misleading" is PR speak for "factual but looks bad for us" RockRaven Oct 2021 #5
how about the word's------ bull shit ! that work's too ! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #7
The old saw is if we could just look into each other's minds and see what's going on with them, Midnight Writer Oct 2021 #9
Given Facebook is a publicly traded company why is Zuckerberg still in charge? thenelm1 Oct 2021 #11
I think he's still the majority stockholder FakeNoose Oct 2021 #12
"Facebook had.... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #13
There are alot of bad actors that have lead to the nations current problems with cstanleytech Oct 2021 #19
So? SergeStorms Oct 2021 #41
No, but ignoring the others involved in this is a mistake. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #44
If you are enable to enact violence you suggest ("100 million pieces") he'd have no bank account. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #20
Kick dalton99a Oct 2021 #15
Kick orangecrush Oct 2021 #17
"Zuckerberg should be in prison." Being an asshole does not usually warrant that. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #18
Yes. I don't see an actual law he broke. He could be forced to step down but I wish poster Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #21
Zuckerburg is nor merely an asshole. Takket Oct 2021 #30
So, in a nutshell there is no actual crime (as of yet) that he has committed. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #31
give it up, Takket Skittles Oct 2021 #38
Then there are those like me that could care less if Facebook would file for bankruptcy and cstanleytech Oct 2021 #45
How long have you worked.... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #42
My opinion about him being an asshole is not based upon working for them rather cstanleytech Oct 2021 #46
Get Facebook to the MySpace page /nt bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #25
Here's the 60 Minutes interview for those who missed it: Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #39
And now Facebook has disappeared from the 'Internets" pfitz59 Oct 2021 #43

grumpyduck

(6,222 posts)
3. Several years ago
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:01 PM
Oct 2021

I was looking up Facebook online and there was info that some of its initial funding was provided by Russian-connected investors. I don't know if that info is still online, or if it was accurate, but it was sure interesting at the time.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
4. I've got an idea! Let's wrap duct tape...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:06 PM
Oct 2021

... around everybody's head! Then no one can talk to anyone! Polerization will vanish, and no misinformation will ever be spread again!

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
8. Attempts to "regulate" or to "break up" Facebook.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:36 PM
Oct 2021

are attempts to keep Americans from talking to one another. Because, for some reason, everything that is wrong in the world seems to be caused by people talking to each other on Facebook.

So, if we are going to stop people from talking to each other, maybe we should take a more direct approach.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
10. nonsense
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:45 PM
Oct 2021

it's a huge problem when a company can help give us Donald Fucking Trump as a "president" , interfere with efforts to end a pandemic, help domestic terrorists storm the Capitol (that's just for starters)..... because they allow disinformation to be spread far and wide

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
27. In fact, I think that...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:15 AM
Oct 2021

... what gave us TFG was the electoral college. Limiting free speech isn't going to alleviate that problem. In fact, it will make things worse.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
32. the Electoral College certainly has outlived its purpose
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:17 PM
Oct 2021

add FB and Russia and PRESTO: Donald Fucking Trump was "president"

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
33. So the solution to thee problem...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:17 PM
Oct 2021

... of the electoral college is to limit and regulate free speech. Makes sense .

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
34. disseminating false information regarding vaccination is harmful to public health
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:24 PM
Oct 2021

I don't think it falls under "free speech" any more than falsely shouting FIRE in a theater does.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
35. What does that have to do with the election? And...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:47 PM
Oct 2021

what does that have to do with Facebook? Are they the only channel for antivax information?

By the way, the ACLU wouldn't agree with your assessment of this sort of false speech.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
40. LOL, "fascist" FB. 🤣 There are many things...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:02 AM
Oct 2021

... we have to do to keep and expand our share of the house and senate and to hold onto the presidency. Wasting time and political resources pissing and moaning about FB isn't on the list. Let alone that it is attacking free speech, a core liberal value. And the fact that any erosion of free speech will most certainly be used against us, and, in particular, those of us who are more progressive.

Yet another moral panic; diverting us from what is important and undermining liberal values.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
14. Because no one ever communicated...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:33 AM
Oct 2021

with each other before Facebook.

Facebook is guilty of using their algorithms to disseminate false information far and wide across the internet to people they know will enjoy it, and believe it.

If you think for one second that Facebook hasn't done anything wrong..... you're totally brainwashed by "social" media as well.

And of course, no one would ever converse again without Facebook, so we mustn't touch it in any way.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
24. And yet, I use the service
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:45 AM
Oct 2021

And while it can be frustrating, I don’t see any of the things that seem to come up in the weekly Facebook is evil postings.

Perhaps that is because every Meme I see posted (no matter the topic) is an automatic hide for me along with any post pro or con featuring Donald Trump, his family or playmates. One has to curate their social media including this page and I do a lot of curating here as well.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
29. Yes - They are disiminating missinformation. Zuck himself....
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:38 AM
Oct 2021

... is doing it!

* "The increase in political polarization in the US pre-dates social media by several decades."

See! I told you so, that's.... oh, that's true

* "But the simple fact remains that changes to algorithmic ranking systems on one social media platform cannot explain wider societal polarization. Indeed, polarizing content and misinformation are also present on platforms that have no algorithmic ranking whatsoever, including private messaging apps like iMessage and WhatsApp."

Oh, wait. that's true too.


As you state, people will continue to converse without Facebook. So regulating Facebook will not do any real good. But it WILL do real harm, because it will set a precedent that undermines the first amendment. Don't expect regulation of speech to end with Facebook. Do you want "regulation" of DU? Expect it to be coming after you.

orangecrush

(19,411 posts)
36. ...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:39 PM
Oct 2021









OK, you got me.




The solution is obvious - regulate FB and make it cost series money when they allow disinformation.

Midnight Writer

(21,712 posts)
9. The old saw is if we could just look into each other's minds and see what's going on with them,
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:43 PM
Oct 2021

we would realize we are all alike and we could live in harmony.

Well, this is being road tested by social media, and the opposite is true. People are revealing what's on their minds, putting it out there on social media, and turns out we are shocked and appalled by each other.

thenelm1

(851 posts)
11. Given Facebook is a publicly traded company why is Zuckerberg still in charge?
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:47 PM
Oct 2021

He should have been kicked to the curb once the company became public if the board had any sense.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
13. "Facebook had....
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:18 AM
Oct 2021

...contributed to political polarization in the United States."

CONTRIBUTED!

How about IS RESPONSIBLE FOR political polarization in the United States?

On the internet, it is the #1 purveyor of false information in the United States, and their algorithms make sure this right-wing false information gets to the people who would welcome it the most. It spreads this right-wing, hate information like wildfire around the United States, and makes obscene amounts of money from doing so.

I want to see Zuckerberg and his mother-fucking "social" media invention broken into 100 million tiny pieces and scattered to the wind. Then I want fines and penalties to lighten Mr. Zuckerberg's bank accounts by tens of billions of dollars.

I still won't be happy about all the damage he's intentionally done, but it it's a start.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
19. There are alot of bad actors that have lead to the nations current problems with
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 04:31 AM
Oct 2021

right wing extremists trying to destroy the country like Trump and Mitch.
Fox News for example as well as far to many radio stations being in the hands of a handful of people who share the same goal.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
18. "Zuckerberg should be in prison." Being an asshole does not usually warrant that.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 04:28 AM
Oct 2021

So, that aside why do you believe he should be in prison?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,959 posts)
21. Yes. I don't see an actual law he broke. He could be forced to step down but I wish poster
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:21 AM
Oct 2021

I wish the poster would tell you, us, the name of the law(s) Zuckerberg broke, if any.

Will there be crickets?

Takket

(21,528 posts)
30. Zuckerburg is nor merely an asshole.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 01:34 PM
Oct 2021

and yes I think he should be in prison. Ted Nugent is an asshole but the first amendment gives him the right to shoot his mouth off.

But facebook has time and again been shown to be hurting the fabric of society and thumbed its nose at us all. When it became blatantly obvious Russia was abusing their platform, the cracked down on profiles spewing anti-Dem nonsense but did nothing to stem the tide of misinformation in general. Russia is still out there pushing anti-vax bullshit now on Facebook to divide us, and invermectin groups are sharing recipes for how to take it.

Facebook in general seems to want to "do better" but Zuck is always standing in their way in the name of big data for sale for big money.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-06-01/facebook-zuckerberg-trump

To say nothing of the Cambridge anayltica debacle............

https://fortune.com/2018/03/29/cambridge-analytica-facebook-scandal/

The revelation that they know they are causing psychological harm to kids and doing nothing about it that just came out this week......

https://kfor.com/news/washington-dc-bureau/facebook-in-the-hot-seat-over-leaked-data-about-young-users/

and of course the article in the OP.

Zuck is the captain of this ship and admittedly it is exceedingly rare that a CEO actually be held responsible for the acts of a company. I blame our de-facto oligarchy for that. (This pieces says it much more eloquently than I can: https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/why-wrongdoing-executives-are-rarely-prosecuted/)

Congress should be looking to enact laws to make sure Facebook, like any other company, is subject to laws to make sure they are operating in a responsible manner for the benefit of the general public. They seem to have an appetite for holding hearings, but legislating? Not so much. So Facebook just rolls right on..........

So while no, I can't point to section 123 paragraph 456 sub paragraph 789 of the criminal code and tell you Zuck personally violated it, I can tell you that in my own opinion just because something hasn't been legislated against doesn't make it right. I liken Facebook to the cigarette companies knowing about cancer, soda companies knowing about diabetes, and Sackler family knowing about opioids, and the entire 2008 financial collapse... just because what they were doing under everyone's noses at the time wasn't illegal yet (or still isn't illegal), doesn't make it right, fair or just.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
38. give it up, Takket
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:59 PM
Oct 2021

most FB users - even so-called "progressives" - don't give a fuck the harm it does, as long as they can "keep up with family and friends"

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
45. Then there are those like me that could care less if Facebook would file for bankruptcy and
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:32 PM
Oct 2021

disappear forever.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
46. My opinion about him being an asshole is not based upon working for them rather
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:33 PM
Oct 2021

its based upon reading about him and the actions his company has taken over the last few years.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
39. Here's the 60 Minutes interview for those who missed it:
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:22 AM
Oct 2021
Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen: The 60 Minutes Interview
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017685122

Frances Haugen says in her time with Facebook she saw, "conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for Facebook." Scott Pelley reports. Aired on 10/03/2021.

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