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BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:45 PM Oct 2021

Battling Delta, New Zealand Abandons Its Zero-Covid Ambitions

Source: New York Times

AUCKLAND, New Zealand — For a year and a half, New Zealand has pursued a strategy of “Covid zero,” closing its borders and quickly enforcing lockdowns to keep the coronavirus in check, a policy it maintained even as other Asia-Pacific countries transitioned to coexisting with the viral threat. On Monday, New Zealand gave in. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern acknowledged an end to the elimination strategy seven weeks into a lockdown that has failed to halt an outbreak of the Delta variant, announcing that restrictions would be gradually lifted in Auckland, the country’s largest city.

“We’re transitioning from our current strategy into a new way of doing things,” Ms. Ardern told reporters. “With Delta, the return to zero is incredibly difficult, and our restrictions alone are not enough to achieve that quickly. In fact, for this outbreak, it’s clear that long periods of heavy restrictions has not got us to zero cases.” “What we have called a long tail,” she added, “feels more like a tentacle that has been incredibly hard to shake.” Overall, New Zealand’s approach to the virus has been a spectacular success, giving it one of the lowest rates of cases and deaths in the world, and allowing its people to live without restrictions during most of the pandemic.

But the mood among many in Auckland has soured as the most recent lockdown has stretched on, with thousands of people breaking a stay-at-home order on Saturday to demonstrate against the restrictions in the country’s largest such protest of the pandemic. The country’s vaccination program has also been a source of consternation. The campaign began in earnest only last month, and fewer than half of people 12 and older have been fully vaccinated, leaving New Zealand far behind most developed countries. Ms. Ardern began to acknowledge the public discontent two weeks ago, when she announced, after more than a month of a highly restrictive stay-at-home order, that some rules would be relaxed in Auckland even as much of the lockdown order remained in place.

About 200,000 people were allowed to return to work, and restaurants and cafes could reopen for takeout orders. At the time, Ms. Ardern said the country was still trying to eliminate the virus. But to epidemiologists, who believed it was still possible to beat Delta and who were encouraging New Zealand to stick with the zero-Covid strategy, it was a gamble. Now, they say, it is clear that easing restrictions ended any chance of wiping out the virus again. New Zealand is still reporting dozens of new cases a day, almost all of them in Auckland, after the latest outbreak began in mid-August.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/world/australia/new-zealand-covid-zero.html



Country after country arrogantly declared they had the solution but Delta didn't care.

This is going to require a multi-pronged "layered" approach to get it under control and get the more virulent strains out of circulation. A single strategy (whether it is 100% vaccination or 100% lockdowns or 100% masking or 100% devil-may-care like Sweden did with catastrophic results) is not going to work.

Layered mitigation removes many of the extremes but adds back a good level of protection.

This sortof reminds me of the old physics principle of multiple thin/fine strands that when bundled to create a rope of a certain diameter ends up being stronger than a single strand of rope of that same material with a diameter the same as the bundle (tensile strength).
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Battling Delta, New Zealand Abandons Its Zero-Covid Ambitions (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 OP
The only strategy that will work Dopers_Greed Oct 2021 #1
I'm surprised they are only about 50% vaccinated. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2021 #2
I think that was the problem BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #3
Yeah, what were they thinking? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2021 #10
Many localities including whole states BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #11
Easy to term NZ "arrogant" but their death rate is 204th in world at 5 / million (US is 2,166 per). Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #4
"Arrogant" in terms of the end result BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #7
If this was a bio weapon the makers would be smiling right about now over cstanleytech Oct 2021 #5
We are definitely seeing how this is playing out BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #6
Difference is the virus was not created by any human. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #8
Oh I know that... BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #9

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
1. The only strategy that will work
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:52 PM
Oct 2021

Large scale vaccinations combined with large scale mask-wearing.

Plus people taking caution personally. Like not going to tons of large events, and traveling sparingly.

Every single person that's able to needs to do it.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
2. I'm surprised they are only about 50% vaccinated.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:10 PM
Oct 2021

I had thought it wasn't just their initial isolationist measures, and restrictions, that bred success for them. I assumed they also had kept pace with most other western nations on vaccination too.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
3. I think that was the problem
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 05:02 AM
Oct 2021

They figured that if they "kept the virus out" then they wouldn't have to do anything else. But once you start having travel in/out after isolating for weeks or months, the virus WILL appear again and start spreading. That's just common sense. The only way this would work is that no one can travel there and be allowed in, probably for the next few years, and if someone leaves the island, they basically can't come back for a few years.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
10. Yeah, what were they thinking?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:57 PM
Oct 2021

Surely they knew that eventually, their borders would have to open up, even just for economic reasons.

They could get their country down to zero cases, but they can't live isolated forever. I assumed that their strict initial measures were like a buffer to hold off the virus while they carried out vaccinations. I guess not.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
11. Many localities including whole states
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:43 PM
Oct 2021

did "lockdowns" last year (except for "essential businesses" ) for several months and that helped to "bend the curve" (the popular term then). And that was before vaccines and it was also before Delta. It did work through that spring but once things "opened up" unrestricted, the surges began again (and this was still pre-vaccines and pre-Delta).

With a country our size, we have watched over the past 18 months how the waves of infections travel back and forth across the country and bubble up in certain parts while waning in others.

If this virus hadn't been so virulent, we wouldn't be here continually debating this. And I just saw this (believe it or not, linked to from Accuweather) -

More than one-third of COVID-19 patients may experience long COVID symptoms

Written by Deep Shukla on October 5, 2021 — Fact checked by Jessica Beake, Ph.D.

(snip)

A majority of individuals recover from a SARS-CoV-2 infection within a few weeks after the onset of symptoms. However, a substantial number of individuals continue to experience COVID-19 symptoms more than 3–4 weeks after contracting the virus. Health experts refer to the symptoms that persist beyond this acute phase of a SARS-CoV-2 infection as long COVID. Multiple studies have investigated the incidence rate of long COVID and its symptoms. However, these studies have certain shortcomings. For instance, some of the studies have used self-reported data collected using telephone or app-based surveys.

Besides the potential biases that accompany self-reports, the data collected as part of these studies were restricted to patients who agreed to participate in the research. Other studies have used follow-up data collected from individuals hospitalized with COVID-19 during the acute phase, limiting the generalizability of the findings. Moreover, many of these studies have lacked a control group. To address these shortcomings, a recent study led by a team of researchers at Oxford University in the United Kingdom used de-identified medical records of 273,618 COVID-19 survivors to assess the risk of having long COVID symptoms in the 6 months after the initial diagnosis.

The presence of persistent symptoms following an acute infection, known as the post-viral syndrome, is a common feature of other viral infections. To evaluate the specificity of long COVID symptoms, the researchers compared the incidence rate of long COVID symptoms after COVID-19 with those observed after flu. The study, which appears in the journal PLOS Medicine, found that more than one-third of the COVID-19 patients had long COVID symptoms 3–6 months after a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Moreover, long COVID symptoms were more common in women, older adults, and individuals with severe symptoms during the acute phase. The study also showed that long COVID symptoms were more frequent in people with COVID-19 than in those with influenza.

(snip)

Incidence of long COVID symptoms

There is currently a lack of consensus within the scientific community about the definition of long COVID and the time of onset of long COVID symptoms. Therefore, the researchers used previous studies to identify the nine most common symptoms and diagnoses associated with long COVID. These symptoms are:

  • chest pain
  • difficulty breathing
  • muscle pain
  • anxiety or depression
  • fatigue
  • other pain
  • abdominal symptoms
  • headache
  • cognitive symptoms


  • The researchers assessed the incidence of these symptoms during the initial 6 months after symptom onset. They also quantified the occurrence of these symptoms during the “long phase” of COVID-19, which was defined as the period between 90 and 180 days after diagnosis.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/more-than-one-third-of-covid-19-patients-may-experience-long-covid-symptoms#Incidence-of-long-COVID-symptoms


    So even what might be considered "mild - moderate" infection, including without a need for hospitalization, the above meta-analysis is indicating upwards of 1/3rd of those infected to that degree can and have suffered "long COVID".

    And although I obviously have no proof of this, I expect that a chunk of the "labor shortage", aside from those who are re-evaluating their future careers, isn't due to "lazy people" sitting home not wanting to work, but may have a component of people who are physically unable to do the type of work they did prior to the pandemic, after having been infected and recovered.

    BumRushDaShow

    (128,844 posts)
    7. "Arrogant" in terms of the end result
    Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:32 AM
    Oct 2021

    vs the purported "goal" and continual "self promotion" regarding what their strategy was and "how well it was working" as if, like Sweden, it was the panacea for beating the virus.

    The U.S. never implemented a complete nationwide lock down nor completely closed all of the borders for travel in/out, and would not be able to do so. And realistically, neither could New Zealand. The same applies to Australia who had a similar situation briefly knocking COVID-19 down to a trickle, and then to few or no reported cases for a period of time, before letting up, and finding Delta didn't care and went rampaging through the big cities and spread out into the country side.



    The past year, multiple countries have been lofted into the stratosphere by the national and international media regarding their "practices" and how "successful" they were, only to find that their tunnel-vision solutions would be useless once the variant changed, and mainly because they were not using, as I posted, a "layered" strategy.

    Everyone knows that barring whatever the true data is from India, the U.S. has the worst death toll in the world from this virus and trying to get that "layering" going here has been difficult. However places that have done it have at least been able to "flatten the curve" without more draconian complete lockdowns.

    cstanleytech

    (26,281 posts)
    5. If this was a bio weapon the makers would be smiling right about now over
    Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:00 AM
    Oct 2021

    the economic disruption it’s caused to countries like New Zealand.
    Not that I think it was one (unlike the conspiracy nutjubs) as the evidence so far points to it being a natural virus more than anything.

    BumRushDaShow

    (128,844 posts)
    6. We are definitely seeing how this is playing out
    Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:09 AM
    Oct 2021

    I think we all recall the Anthrax-in-the-mail mess and to this day, 20 years later, people are still sending "white powder" through the mail (where ricin became a substance of choice in newer terror-instilling mailings ).

    cstanleytech

    (26,281 posts)
    8. Difference is the virus was not created by any human.
    Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:14 PM
    Oct 2021

    The economic chaos though was caused by politicians both inside China as well as in other countries.
    In the US the ones responsible are the Republican politicians nationwide both at the state and federal level.

    BumRushDaShow

    (128,844 posts)
    9. Oh I know that...
    Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:32 PM
    Oct 2021

    The CT about that is pretty wild to say the least.

    And agree that of all times, to have egomaniac heads of state "in charge" during something like this, was a recipe for disaster.

    But speaking of egomaniacs, I did see a literal "blip" in the news that Duterte was "retiring from politics".

    One wonders why?

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