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Omaha Steve

(99,580 posts)
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:31 PM Oct 2021

100-year-old denies being accessory to murder at Nazi camp

Source: AP

BERLIN (AP) — A 100-year-old man on trial for his alleged role as a Nazi SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II told a German court Friday that he was innocent.

The defendant is charged with 3,518 counts of accessory to murder at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp near Berlin, where he allegedly worked between 1942 and 1945 as an enlisted member of the Nazi Party’s paramilitary wing.

German news agency dpa reported that the defendant, who was identified only as Josef S. in keeping with German privacy rules, said on the second day of his trial before the Neuruppin state court that he didn’t know the Sachsenhausen camp.

Two witnesses from France and the Netherlands earlier told the court how their fathers were killed at Sachsenhausen for having been part of the resistance against the Nazis.



FILE - In this Thursday, Oct. 7, 2021 file photo, lawyer Stefan Waterkamp covers the face of accused Josef S. as they arrive at a courtroom in Brandenburg, Germany. A 100-year-old man on trial for his alleged role as a Nazi SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II has told a German court that he is innocent. The defendant is charged with 3,518 counts of accessory to murder at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp near Berlin. (AP Photo/Markus Schreiber, File)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/europe-berlin-courts-state-courts-trials-10a73b6a13103a96b046f108c8c9a258

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100-year-old denies being accessory to murder at Nazi camp (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2021 OP
Thank You for posting...K and R.. Stuart G Oct 2021 #1
My father was a WWII vet who always said......... UGADawg Oct 2021 #2
Funny How That Worked. COL Mustard Oct 2021 #3
I don't doubt that some may have been lying. thucythucy Oct 2021 #5
No mercy geomon666 Oct 2021 #4
It kills me that they wait until they're almost dead to try them. zanana1 Oct 2021 #6
I think that as people are dying, and the number of people to prosecute is dwindilng, Steelrolled Oct 2021 #8
muh "just following orders" excuse won't fly in Nuremberg... cadoman Oct 2021 #7

UGADawg

(501 posts)
2. My father was a WWII vet who always said.........
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 04:38 PM
Oct 2021

he fought Germans. The Nazi name leads one to believe only a few supported the war.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
3. Funny How That Worked.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:37 PM
Oct 2021

When I was stationed in West Germany, I rarely met anyone who'd fought against the Allies. Almost to a man, they'd fought the Soviets. I don't know what took us so long to get from Normandy to the Elbe. I guess Patton was lollygagging?

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
5. I don't doubt that some may have been lying.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 03:49 PM
Oct 2021

On the other hand, the majority of the German military was in fact engaged on their Eastern front for the majority of the war. For instance, the German army in northeast Africa--the famous Afrika Corps--never numbered more than five divisions, probably not even. As opposed to the two hundred or so divisions sent into the Soviet Union in June 1941.

By June 1944 the Germans had 156 divisions in the Soviet Union, 27 in Italy, 54 in the west. I'm not sure, but I think "the west" also included an army of close to half a million stationed in Norway, which never saw action against the allies at all after 1940, aside from small commando raids. There was also a substantial number of divisions in the Balkans, fighting the resistance in Greece and Yugoslavia. And many of the divisions in the west were under-strength--sent to France to recuperate and regroup after their mauling in the east.

So the odds of any particular German soldier fighting against the Allies--especially Americans--was probably something like three or four to one, maybe more.

I mention all this just because it's my experience that Americans tend to downplay the Soviet contribution to winning that war, if they know anything about it at all. The fact is by June 1944 the Soviets had torn the guts out of the German army. This isn't to slight the Americans who fought, my FIL among them. But the casualties on D-Day and beyond would have been far far more horrific if not for the three years the German military spent being ground down in the east.

And while I'm at it, I find the same true of American perceptions of the war in the Pacific. In that case it was the Chinese who fought for years before the American entry into the war against Japan, and suffered the vast majority of causalities. Then too, in both Europe and Asia, the number of civilian casualties were exponentially higher among Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Yugoslavs... than anything Americans suffered. And not just casualties of bullets, bombs, and mines. The mass rapes of women and girls, especially Chinese, Soviet and German, are without parallel in American history, excepting those of native Americans and slave women and girls.

All of my family alive in that era suffered during the war in Europe--I'm the first member of my family to be born here. The pain remains in those left alive, even after all these years, and that emotional miasma was a big part of my growing up. It's only as an adult that I began to understand what trauma like that can do to a person's life.

It may be that the Germans you spoke to were lying. Then too, it might also be that the topic in general was something they preferred not to revisit.

Again, this is not to slight those Americans who fought and died or otherwise suffered. Nor does it excuse in any way the atrocities and genocide. But as I get older I realize that human history is in large part a dismal saga of pain inflicted by the powerful against the powerless. Like Joyce said: a nightmare from which I--we--are trying to awake.

edited to add: I apologize for this ridiculously long lecture. I guess you hit a nerve--my problem, certainly not yours.

zanana1

(6,110 posts)
6. It kills me that they wait until they're almost dead to try them.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 11:24 AM
Oct 2021

I've seen it before. Nazis in their 90's are suddenly found and charged. It can't be a coincidence.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
8. I think that as people are dying, and the number of people to prosecute is dwindilng,
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 01:55 PM
Oct 2021

the courts are opening up the criteria of who can be prosecuted. It gives the people who specialize in these kinds of cases a few more years of work, as they can prosecute people who were very young during the war.

The secretary now on trial actually tested against senior figures in the 50s and 60s, and now she is in the dock, although being tried in a juvenile court due to her age during the war.

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