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BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 04:24 PM Dec 2021

Omicron is spreading more than twice as quickly as the Delta variant in South Africa

Source: New York Times

Underscoring growing concerns about Omicron, scientists in South Africa said on Friday that the newest coronavirus variant appears to spread more than twice as quickly as Delta, until now the fastest-moving version of the virus. Omicron’s rapid spread results from a combination of contagiousness and an ability to dodge the body’s immune defenses, the researchers said, but the contribution of each factor is not yet certain.

“We’re not sure what that mixture is,” said Carl Pearson, a mathematical modeler at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine who led the analysis. “It’s possible that it might even be less transmissible than Delta.” Some of the same researchers announced on Thursday that the new variant may partly dodge immunity gained from a previous infection. It’s still unclear whether or to what degree Omicron may evade protection conferred by the current vaccines.

The new research was posted on Twitter, and has not yet been peer-reviewed nor published in a scientific journal. The Omicron variant has appeared in nearly two dozen countries. The United States has identified at least 10 cases in six states, and health officials say that community spread of the virus is inevitable. President Biden reiterated on Friday morning that his administration’s newest pandemic measures should be sufficient to deal with the spread of the new variant.

The variant was first identified in South Africa on Nov. 23 and has quickly come to account for about three-quarters of new cases in the country. The country reported 11,535 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, a 35 percent jump from the day before, and the proportion of positive test results increased to 22.4 percent from 16.5 percent. Omicron cases are doubling roughly every three days, the researchers said on Friday.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/03/world/omicron-variant-covid/omicron-is-spreading-more-than-twice-as-quickly-as-the-delta-variant-in-south-africa-scientists-report



Full headline: Omicron is spreading more than twice as quickly as the Delta variant in South Africa, scientists report.




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Carl A. B. Pearson
@cap1024
As discussed at #EPIDEMICS8 breakout session, @saCOVID19mc have started characterizing the #SARSCoV2 variant #Omicron; working estimates for this new variant are critical so the globe can plan with the best information possible: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hA6Mec2Gq3LGqTEOj35RqSeAb_SmXpbI/view?usp=sharing


#NotYetPeerReviewed
Pearson_Epidemics8_Omicron.pdf
drive.google.com
1:44 PM · Dec 3, 2021


PDF viewer link to their paper - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hA6Mec2Gq3LGqTEOj35RqSeAb_SmXpbI/view

(not yet peer-reviewed or published)
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BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
3. Even with a large sample size
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 04:48 PM
Dec 2021

just due to how the data is reported from labs (and when, since they often do it "in batches" ) means that the numbers are going to jump around.

We're just at the very beginning of seeing how this one goes and at least now have a genetic profile to look for it. It will be interesting to see how far back it can be traced.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
4. When will we know about the lethality of this variant?
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 04:51 PM
Dec 2021

I’m all for extra efforts to slow the spread of Omicron - but when will we know about it’s lethality? That seems an important piece of information to keep people vigilant.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
7. My concern is that rapid transmission will more than offset lower lethality, if it is indeed less so
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 05:55 PM
Dec 2021

We're at a point where COVID fatigue is setting in for even the most concerned Americans, and I'm afraid there's the potential for a new wave to hit with Omicron if reports like this hold up outside South Africa.

-It appears to spread faster than Delta, which itself is extremely contagious. Therefore, it will displace Delta to become the dominant strain globally.

-We are NOT going to do more lockdowns like we did in 2020. There is no appetite left for that among a vast majority of Americans.

-Mask mandates have fallen across the country, and they're unlikely to return in any significant amount. A large number of Americans who aren't anti-vaxxers have decided that the vaccine was sufficient, and no longer wear masks because they feel their level of protection is sufficient.

-Schools are open, and very few Americans are willing to return to distance learning for anything short of an absolutely crippling teacher shortage.

-Vaccine mandates are being fought, in some cases successfully, in courts across the country. Even if they eventually succeed, the months lost may be decisive.

-Our health care workers have been pushed beyond anything they ever should have been subjected to. They're barely holding on as it is against Delta right now. It is criminal what we've done to the doctors and nurses in our hospitals for the past 2 years, and I don't blame them at all when they leave the profession.

-Vaccines appear to lose some efficacy after 6 months, and while the booster program is moving along, it will take months to get boosters into hundreds of millions of arms. And there is a substantial subset of vaccinated Americans who will turn down the booster.

-People who survive a severe COVID infection are 2.5X more likely to die within the following year than a non-infected person, due to the incredible strain being hospitalized and intubated can put on the body. There are hundreds of thousands of Americans today who have survived a bout. If they are reinfected by a virus with immunity-evading properties, how much higher does their death rate go a second time around?

-The big one: Omicron appears to evade vaccines and/or natural immunity more readily than Delta. That means there are many millions more potential hosts to replicate in.

Put all this together, and a rapid infection spike nationwide could overwhelm our already strained healthcare system. Even if it has a substantially reduced lethality rate, the sheer volume of infected people could nullify that benefit.

I hope like Hell I'm 100% wrong, I really do. I'm so fucking tired of this virus. I'm tired of caring about people who don't care for anyone else. The next few months will tell.

BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
9. "rapid infection spike nationwide could overwhelm our already strained healthcare system"
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:10 PM
Dec 2021

This is the bigger issue that we have to monitor going forward. But if the vaccinated get an infection and can be treated at home (with some of the anti-viral treatments being reviewed for EUA), then that will help mitigate the overwhelming of the hospitals.

One of the problems with South Africa is their low vaccination rate which puts them where we were pre-vaccine and where we still are in those parts of the country that continue to have large numbers of unvaccinated.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
10. Yes, I forgot about the antiviral pills coming out. Those give me hope
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:22 PM
Dec 2021

Moderna's appears to be a bust (only 30% effective), but Pfizer's still looks good.

Now the question is, how fast can we get those approved and cranked out by the millions?

BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
11. Moderna doesn't have a pill - it's Merck
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:38 PM
Dec 2021


But we'll have to see what Pfizer's data looks like because Merck had originally claimed one effectiveness and then downgraded it a few days before the FDA review, so it will be interesting to see how Pfizer's data looks once it is ready for discussion, whenever FDA schedules their review meeting for the EUA.

progree

(10,901 posts)
8. So. Africa Covid cases of all kinds last 5 days: 2273, 4373, 8561, 11535, 16055
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:07 PM
Dec 2021

Nov 24: 1,275,
Nov 25: 2,465,
Nov 26: 0,
Nov 27: 6,048 (2 day average is 3,024),
Nov 28: 2,858,
Nov 29: 2,273,
Nov 30: 4,373,
Dec 1: 8,561,
Dec 2: 11,535,
Dec 3: 16,055

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=south+africa+new+covid+cases&oq=south+africa+new+covid+cases&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j0i22i30l5j69i61.8222j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If you do look at the graph and wonder why the big dip in the 7 day average, and then the big rise again, it's because they started including anti-gen tests on November 23, and that included a backlog of a lot of antigen results (total Covid cases reported on November 23rd was 18,586). So when that was first included in the 7 day average, it went way way up. Then when Nov 23 dropped off the end of the 7 day period, on Nov 30, the 7-day average plunged. But now it is rising sharply again.

I've checked most of the numbers above and they agree with the South Africa Department of Health, for example the December 3 report:
https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/12/03/update-on-covid-19-friday-03-december-2021/

BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
12. I know it is shooting up here in PA
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:47 PM
Dec 2021

We are back where we were a year ago, literally the same month, in terms of numbers of cases. From today's PA COVID dashboard (last data point shown was 9,566 for Dec. 2) - https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Cases.aspx



Today they reported 10,127 -




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PA Department of Health
@PAHealthDept
#COVID19 Update (as of 12/3/21 at 12:00 am):
• 10,127 additional positive cases of COVID-19
• 1,763,796 total cases statewide
• 33,746 deaths statewide
• 15,557,620 doses of vaccine administered

More information:
Coronavirus in Pennsylvania
Get the latest, up-to-date information on coronavirus from the Pennsylvania Department of Health
health.pa.gov
3:17 PM · Dec 3, 2021


Here in Philly, they report both types (PCR and antigen) but aren't including the antigen results in with the totals they tweet out. The Philly dashboard (showing the PCR / antigen break outs) is here - https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/testing/




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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
December 3, 2021 COVID-19 update:

579 new cases
177,775 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
4,096 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
4.7% positivity rate

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR


And as a sidenote, on November 10, 2021, the city announced that they had gone back through all the data from the beginning of the pandemic and started counting "reinfections" into the total cases (positives), so our data also may have had a brief blip of a downturn and then a shoot up. That was a one time thing though.

So locales are constantly tweaking their datasets and whether all the various tracking sites are picking that up and adjusting accordingly, as well as actually what numbers they are using in their aggregates, can be a pain to nail down.

progree

(10,901 posts)
13. Ouch, that graph is really awful. I noticed the world overall is turning up too
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:55 PM
Dec 2021

after a brief pause, yes, because of Thanksgiving -- the U.S.'s mini-downturn was enough to affect the whole globe's curve. For a few days.

Below the main graph is a "Cases by Region" graph and one can see the little down and up hook in the "U.S. and Canada" (red line). No other region has that -- but the world as a whole has a mini-version of the down-and-up.

World
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html
no paywall no quota. Best feature: the "Last 90 Days" button. Next best: The map

The 7 day average is now the highest its been since about September 10.

U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Darn, the Dec 3 cases aren't included yet. But when they are, that will drive the U.S. to the highest 7 day average since October 10, nearly 2 months ago.

BumRushDaShow

(128,712 posts)
14. I've had a sub with the NYT
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:13 PM
Dec 2021

since 1976.

The 90 day graph is good because it obviously has more granularity to see any smaller trends. I have looked at the PA one periodically but have taken note that recently, based on their calc of the per capita cases for the state, they have Philly literally at the bottom of the list (lowest per 100K) of the 67 counties. The thinking is that this may be due to the mask mandate here for indoors and certain outside situations (in effect since August and the only county in the state with such). I.e., our numbers here ARE slowly increasing with this newest wave but the rate of increase so far appears to be significantly suppressed compared to this time last year, sans vaccines.

The question now that they are apparently going to be determining is whether this rapid increase in the U.S. may be going beyond the "it's winter" thing and possibly has an Omicron contribution to it (in addition to more home-testing, assuming a tracking site includes those tests in the totals).

progree

(10,901 posts)
15. U.S. and Minn. both break past their pre-Thanksgiving 7 day mvg avg peaks in daily new cases
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:04 AM
Dec 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
(no paywall no quota. The "Last 90 days" button above the graph is extremely helpful. BRDS-I know you know this, but for those not familiar with the NYT covid pages)

The U.S. as a whole -- 7 day moving average of daily new cases has surpassed the pre-Thanksgiving peak and is now the highest since Oct 3, reversing exactly 2 months of progress.

Top 10 in Daily new cases per capita, 7 day moving average

#1 New Hampshire
#2 Minnesota
#3 Michigan
#4 Wisconsin
#5 Rhode Isl
#6 NoDak
#7 Vermont
#8 Ohio
#9 Indiana
#10 Massachusetts

31 states have rising cases, 18 are falling, and 1 flat over 14 days,
for a 31-18-1 record

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In Minnesota with the addition of the Dec 3rd 5,682 new cases, the 7 day moving average of daily new cases has surpassed its pre-Thanksgiving peak, and is now the highest since Dec 11
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/minnesota-covid-cases.html

So pretty much an entire year of progress has been reversed in Minnesota
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