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brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 12:59 AM Jan 2022

A New York judge rules that the state's mask mandate is unconstitutional and can't be enforced.

Source: New York Times

A New York State judge ruled on Monday that the state’s mask mandate was enacted unlawfully and is now void, according to court documents.

In December 2021, amid a winter virus surge, Gov. Kathy Hochul renewed a mask mandate at all indoor public places throughout the state — including schools and nursing homes, and on public transit — to last a month. The state Health Department then extended the mandate an additional two weeks, to expire Feb. 1.

In his decision, State Supreme Court Justice Thomas Rademacher wrote that Ms. Hochul and state health officials lacked the authority to enact the mask mandate without the approval of state lawmakers. Regardless of the “well aimed” intentions of state officials, this is “entrusted solely to the State Legislature,” Justice Rademacher wrote.

The state attorney general’s office is planning to appeal the ruling. And Emily DeSantis, a spokeswoman for the state Education Department, said the state Health Department would appeal, which would automatically restore the mask rule until an appellate court issues a ruling.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/24/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/a-new-york-judge-rules-that-the-states-mask-mandate-is-unconstitutional-and-cant-be-enforced
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A New York judge rules that the state's mask mandate is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2022 OP
N.Y. State Judge Kicks Off Appeal Bowl by Punting Science Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #1
Judges who trust Legislatures to move at the speed of virus spread scare me NullTuples Jan 2022 #2
The pandemic has been going on for almost two years Jose Garcia Jan 2022 #15
Which means at most TWO adjustments to laws NullTuples Jan 2022 #21
Love to see your comment on this. nt OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2022 #3
Wasn't this judge a former boxer? n/t JBGraves Jan 2022 #4
a constitutional amendment seems like a good quick option to fix this cadoman Jan 2022 #5
I don't know about permanent Polybius Jan 2022 #7
Amendment stating what? MichMan Jan 2022 #9
yes cadoman Jan 2022 #25
Constitutional Amendments require two years and a public vote... brooklynite Jan 2022 #14
OFFS! sakabatou Jan 2022 #6
U can lead them to da door of the Temple Cryptoad Jan 2022 #8
Sigh. SuperCoder Jan 2022 #10
Reminder when considering NY court rulings... FBaggins Jan 2022 #11
I take this to mean an invasion by a foreign army would render the Governor powerless? bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #12
We lived in the woods for eleven years and had a bug zapper. twodogsbarking Jan 2022 #13
The judge is a right-winger. Tells everything when it comes to American lives. rockfordfile Jan 2022 #16
Can't believe how stupid we're being on this. ificandream Jan 2022 #17
The headline is misleading Shrek Jan 2022 #18
In many cases, the Courts melm00se Jan 2022 #19
This should not have be problem for the NY Legislature. Marcuse Jan 2022 #20
So inthewind21 Jan 2022 #22
So damned sick of politicians and judges with absolutely no understanding whatsoever of science, hlthe2b Jan 2022 #23
Judge leaves New York indoor mask mandate in place, for now Eugene Jan 2022 #24

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
21. Which means at most TWO adjustments to laws
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jan 2022

That is why Legislatures empower regulatory agencies, to react quickly and with the specialized knowledge Legislators do not have.

cadoman

(792 posts)
5. a constitutional amendment seems like a good quick option to fix this
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:09 AM
Jan 2022

We have the votes for this right? I think most NYers would be ecstatic to see a permanent legal enforcement of the masks as well as vaccines.

Just make it part of state law that to be in NY you must have all your medical requirements up to date on your vaccine passport. It would also make the state well-prepared for any future issues that need central medical planning.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
9. Amendment stating what?
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 03:18 AM
Jan 2022

That the governor has the sole authority to determine any and all medical related requirements as he or she sees fit, and any violators will be deported from the state?

cadoman

(792 posts)
25. yes
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 01:27 AM
Jan 2022

Maybe add some stipulation that the action has to be backed by the scientific consensus? I don't know what more would be needed, and I think it'd get broad support.

We can't just sit around waiting for people to do the right thing. We all agree we need mandates to get the gqp vaccinated and masked so we can end this fucking hell. They're never going to do it out of the goodness of their heart, and until they're forced to do so they'll be creating new mutants and endangering the rest of us.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
14. Constitutional Amendments require two years and a public vote...
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:05 AM
Jan 2022

All of the election reform amendments were voted down last year.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
11. Reminder when considering NY court rulings...
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 06:19 AM
Jan 2022

... "State Supreme Court Justice" is not the top of the court food chain in NY.




twodogsbarking

(9,734 posts)
13. We lived in the woods for eleven years and had a bug zapper.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:58 AM
Jan 2022

I tried to tell the bugs the zapper would kill them but they wouldn't listen. zzzzzitt

rockfordfile

(8,702 posts)
16. The judge is a right-winger. Tells everything when it comes to American lives.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jan 2022

Where the f does this judge get that the state health department can't extend a mandate that's about the health of the people?

ificandream

(9,368 posts)
17. Can't believe how stupid we're being on this.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jan 2022

People are fucking dying. That should be enough. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

Shrek

(3,977 posts)
18. The headline is misleading
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 10:09 AM
Jan 2022

From what I have read so far, the judge did not raise any constitutional issues. According to CNN the ruling is grounded in state law:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/us/new-york-state-mask-mandate-ruling/index.html

"While the intentions of Commissioner Bassett and Governor Hochul appear to be well aimed squarely at doing what they believe is the right to protect the citizens of New York State, they must take their case to the State Legislature," Rademaker wrote.

"Should the State Legislature, representative of and voted into office by the citizens of New York, after publicly informed debate, decide to enact laws requiring face coverings in schools and other public places then the Commissioner would likely be well grounded in properly promulgated and enacted rules to supplement such laws."

"To be clear, this Court does not intend this decision in any way to question or otherwise opine on the efficacy, need, or requirement of masks as a means or tool in dealing with the COVID-19 virus," the judge wrote. "This Court decides only the issues of whether the subject rule was properly enacted and if so whether same can be enforced."

melm00se

(4,991 posts)
19. In many cases, the Courts
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jan 2022

are looking at things like this from a long term basis and the precedents that can be set by (in)action.

Removing the COVID specifics: is it OK for a chief executive to enact a de facto law bypassing the legislative branch which has the sole power to create and pass legislation?

Just pause for a moment and think about this and I mean really think about it. Can you envision a situation where this power could/would be abused?

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
22. So
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jan 2022

This means I can start eating out topless and barefoot right? If a mask is unconstitutional then surely clothing is as well. See ya "No shirt, no shoes, no service signs! For now, I'll just start out with no pants. No one is requiring pants so clearly they are optional. LOL

hlthe2b

(102,227 posts)
23. So damned sick of politicians and judges with absolutely no understanding whatsoever of science,
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 06:22 PM
Jan 2022

medicine, public health, epidemiology making these calls. It is obscenely arrogant, incompetent, and in total disregard for the health and safety of those they serve.

Eugene

(61,872 posts)
24. Judge leaves New York indoor mask mandate in place, for now
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 06:45 PM
Jan 2022

Source: Associated Press

Judge leaves New York indoor mask mandate in place, for now

By CAROLYN THOMPSON
January 25, 2022

A New York appeals judge left the state’s indoor mask mandate in place Tuesday while Gov. Kathy Hochul’s administration appeals a lower court’s decision to overturn it.

Judge Robert Miller granted the state’s request for a stay of a Long Island judge’s ruling Monday that the governor and health officials lacked authority to require masks.

Arguing before Miller Tuesday, Judith Vale, an attorney for the state, said judge Thomas Rademaker’s ruling would “radically disrupt the status quo” and endanger the health of students and staff at schools.

“The order, if not stayed will allow individuals to refuse to wear face coverings in indoor public settings where the risk of COVID-19 spread is high, including in schools where many children remain unvaccinated against COVID-19,” the state’s court filing said.

-snip-

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-new-york-education-9411c873bd7f268b7a052cc063a9cafd

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