Defiant Putin warns the west: your sanctions are akin to an act of war
Source: The Guardian
Vladimir Putin delivered a chilling warning to the west over the imposition of sanctions on Russia on Saturday, warning that measures designed to cripple his countrys economy were akin to an act of war.
In comments that were both defiant and threatening, the Russian president also told Ukraines leaders that their nation risked being dismantled as an independent sovereign state if they continued to resist Russias invasion.
The current leadership needs to understand that if they continue doing what they are doing, they risk the future of Ukrainian statehood, Putin said. If that happens they will have to be blamed for that.
His intervention, in which he hinted the conflict could soon spread beyond Ukraine unless the west changed course, came as Moscow broke a ceasefire agreement to allow Ukrainian civilians to flee after 10 days of bombing and devastation.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/05/defiant-putin-warns-the-west-your-sanctions-are-akin-to-an-act-of-war
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Sounds to me as if the sanctions are a real thorn in Pooty's side.
You poor baby Pooty. Next time don't start an immoral, unprovoked war against your peaceful neighbor.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)it strikes me that this kind of reaction affirms the sanctions are having an effect.
If the sanctions remain, Putins long term future is grim.
The scary part is how he'll react.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)I don't think he has months left.
Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)Or what, Pootler? Go nuclear?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Certainly understandable why Ukraine wants a divorce.
moniss
(4,214 posts)and also fits the typical sociopath. They blame you for not stopping them from their abuse and destruction. I remember one such person in my life. As we sat with the psychologist in a counseling session trying to "save the marriage" I brought up all of the bald faced lying. The guy asked what "Honey" had for a response. It was "So I lied to you, so what?" with a detachment as cold as ice. No remorse, sense of guilt, empathy or conscience are the hallmarks of that kind of person. They could stab you to death and open a beer and watch TV right after and not think they had any blame. Thankfully the psych dude recognized it all and said to me privately that I had best get out of that relationship because the emotional abuse was never going to end.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)moniss
(4,214 posts)tried repeatedly to warn everyone even before the 2016 election. As we know all too well the media was focused on "her e-mails".
Hekate
(90,645 posts)Bleah.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)because it could happen here too.
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)With my step father, he would do something heinous, and then blame ME for the happening. I was the family scapegoat. I was often bewildered as to what I had "done" to provoke this condemnation. It wasn't until I grew up and practiced self analysis and calming techniques that I was able to at least understand what had happened to me. I am still shaking it off. And, all the anxiety I experienced over wanting a normal and happy family that could NEVER be, wasn't something that I could change, but I was too young to understand that at the time. Today we call his cruelty "projecting the blame" onto some third party.
Thank you for posting that response. It has been helpful to me!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and to make changes I needed to make. And I am a retired MH therapist!
Actually, in that regard, personal experience has helped me help others.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)Ukraine along w the other newly formed countries are sovereign states in their own right. The madman has no right & now, sick as he is with power, is threatening the whole world. We are already in a WW3. Theres no descalation given the price to pay for ukrainians is so great & the rest of europe.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)If I can't have Ukraine, nobody can have Ukraine.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)TFG is the same way as putin is. Bullies and threatens until he's stopped.
prodigitalson
(2,408 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)when tRump said, We have nukes, why not use them? or something like that? Remember that?
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)I sure am glad that Biden is in charge.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)Response to blue-wave (Original post)
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Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)Putin with his threats is starting to sound like Trump threatening to sue everyone.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)StarryNite
(9,443 posts)Apparently the stupid phuck doesnt realize hes the one who started this war.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Collimator
(1,639 posts)What did he expect the rest of the world to do? Write him a thank you note?
His statement reminds me of a line from an SNL character on the Weekend Update feature. Character talks about stabbing her friend then complains that the friend, "took it the wrong way" and "started bleeding."
And just to add my personal account of dealing with a troubled person: At age 11, my 13 year old sibling came into my room and started whipping me with a length of rubber clothesline. I covered my face and begged him to stop. I was told that he would if I stopped screaming.
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)I guess it's not funny. All these childhood traumas we are learning tonight!
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)The invasion of Ukraine is also invading the comfortable hypocrisy of the West and its enslaved pro-capitalism white privileged media.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Jan 20: "Russian ambassador to Canada says 'nobody cares' about threat of Western sanctions"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/russian-ambassador-to-canada-says-nobody-cares-about-threat-of-western-sanctions-1.5748371
Feb 13: "Putin 'doesn't give a s**t about Western sanctions', says Russian ambassador to Sweden"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10507761/Putin-doesnt-s-t-sanctions-Russian-ambassador-says-amid-Ukraine-invasion-fears.html
Feb 25: "The Kremlin downplays sanctions by saying any problems will be resolved"
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2022-02-25/the-kremlin-downplays-sanctions-by-saying-any-problems-will-be-resolved
But now...
blue-wave
(4,352 posts)Thanks for posting!
Hekate
(90,645 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)olddad65
(599 posts)He is a madman with his finger on the trigger of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.
We should have created the no fly zone over Ukraine on day 1.
Fuck Putin.
localroger
(3,626 posts)Putin's finger on the nuclear trigger is not what most people think. Like the US, Russia has a command and control structure designed to prevent one madman from launching an attack. (Which is why Trump couldn't, BTW.) Russia has an early warning system which must signal an incoming threat before Putin's "nuclear football" becomes active, and even then it takes two of three people with those "footballs" to agree to trigger a launch.
I do believe the attack on the nuclear reactor may have been an attempt to create a pretext for this early warning system, either to fool it or bypass it because of radiation flooding. Problem is, as the principal characters of Chernobyl believed, it is actually true of most reactors that it's really hard to get them to do anything dramatic. The remaining Chernobyl-like RBMK reactors have had the design flaw that allowed the explosion to happen fixed, and even with that flaw dropping a bomb on the Chernobyl reactor wouldn't have caused the explosion. It was a very stupid plan, but a very telling one.
Flooding Ukraine with man-portable anti-aircraft weapons is a much better solution. They've been keeping their own sky dangerous enough to be expensive and discouraging to the invaders and Putin can't point any fingers at NATO or anyone else.
The best end for this is for Putin to be alone in his bunker of solitude when his own generals tell him he's retiring. And that may happen sooner rather than later if things keep spiraling downhill.
moniss
(4,214 posts)but spent fuel rods on site, if any, could have had their containers breached etc. Thankfully it didn't happen. I think Vermin Vlad wants to take somewhat of a scorched Earth approach here and he is willing to do any damage as long as it harms civilians and might have a long lasting effect.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...would be for the oligarchs and generals to send in a pack hyenas and lock the doors.
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)I also think that WW3 is already here. We are just not recognizing it. This is the run up.
I don't know. I am just glad that I am not President. China is now starting up. Back to back warnings against the West. I believe that China and Russia are working together, and this is it. I pray every night and every morning to let it all be just a nightmare that isn't true.
Let Xi and Putin rot in the dirt. All the money in the entire world will not be enough to bring back any part of whatever pleasant life and times that someone might have.
I want Putin indicted as a war criminal for shooting civilians trying to flee. Also for shooting up nuclear reactors.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)It is the land war part of it.
With Trump it made it possible.
A Russian asset in the White House.
A second term was planned.
First weaken NATO.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...nothing compels us to work with you if you're a bloodthirsty psycho who kills innocent civilians because you have a fucking inferiority complex.
It is a free market. We choose not to work with you.
Go fuck yourself!
agingdem
(7,845 posts)not understand war, especially war in 2022?...retaliation is the name of the game, be it boots on the ground, air support, cyber, and, yes, withholding goods and services, cutting off aid and avenues of funding the war...and does Putin not get that the financial institutions are globally interconnected?.. this war is visceral and personal .."touch" one ally and all will defend
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)And it was totally un-necessary to begin with.
Unless that multi-billionaire war criminal wanted to steal more of Ukraine's natural resources than he did in 2014 in Crimea, because he can't stand the idea of not having more money than he's already stolen.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)if I want it, it's mine..if it's mine it must never appear to be yours...if I had it a little while ago, it's mine..if I can take it away from you, it's mine.....if I think it's mine, it's mine...once it belongs to me it will never belong to anyone else, ever...
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)Keep doing what your doing, you'll see a war.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)like maybe assface?..my daughters ex-husband is fuckface and has been for 15 years (may he die a slow excruciating death a flesh eating disease would be ok)..so, are we good with assface???
moniss
(4,214 posts)not even ask to be called Mr. F*ckface? Proper titles after all.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)we do refer to him as "FF" when we text..however, I would have no problem calling him the late Mr. Fuckface
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)orangecrush
(19,537 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)bringthePaine
(1,728 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Aussie105
(5,382 posts)but war was declared as soon as you pointed your troops at the Ukrainian border, when they crossed, and the first shot was fired.
'Don't threaten me with sanctions! But see if I care!'
- sanctions happened, he cares.
'Don't make me angry! You won't like it if I get angry!'
- the rest of the world goes out of it's way to make him angry.
'I have a big red button! Don't make me push it!'
- other countries have big red buttons too.
But seriously, will the button get pushed, and will those more sane people in the Russian military follow orders and push the launch buttons and see Russia and half of Europe go up in radioactive clouds because a mad dictator isn't getting his way?
History is watching . . .
TeamProg
(6,117 posts)Guess we were all wrong.
Poor baby.
Did someone Tread On Ewe?
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)what in the ever-loving hell does he call his armed invasion of Ukraine?
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)full of innocent victims's blood.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)Aussie105
(5,382 posts)Will Putin continue to sail into this storm, or head out to calmer waters?
Does he have it in him to back down? Or will he continue to sail into this storm of his own making, and when it gets too much, will he order his crew to go down into the bowels of the ship and open the stopcocks and so scuttle the ship?
And will his crew have the guts to go . . . No Way, Man!
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Thank goodness.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)Metro135
(359 posts)The current leadership needs to understand that if they continue doing what they are doing, they risk the future of Ukrainian statehood, Putin said. If that happens they will have to be blamed for that.
THEY will have to be blamed for that?
Yeah, just like Hitler blamed the Jews for starting a world war. He had nothing to do with it.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)the only important matter, is what he wants.
czarjak
(11,266 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)You small, small, small man/baby. Mr Macho no more. He is a loser and no one takes a word he says seriously anymore since he lies constantly and every truce he makes he breaks within minutes. No one cares what that eunuch threatening anymore. He is a world class loser and his days are numbered. He knows it too.
PatrickforB
(14,570 posts)Was THAT an act of war?
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)F*ck him and the horses he rode in on.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)How tired I am of this shite from every goddamn republican that has a mike.
This dude is a piece of shite...these threats... I have read about the same from WWII when that other dick-wipe was raging in the 40s.
Apparently, there was a lesson we missed and to which we are being further educated.
Something, something... allowing evil to live next to you.
TY!! I'm just as tired of the gaslighting and projectionism. They are all peas in the same pod sticking together with their bullshit.
edbermac
(15,938 posts)And the Ukrainians will finish it.
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)so how exactly are the Western nations responsible for that?
onetexan
(13,036 posts)Well there are more weapons, planes & foreign fighters joing the UKR forces coming. The only way to stand up to a bully is give him a taste of his own medicine - outgun him, arrest him, try him for war crimes & atrocities against humanity, or his own ppl turn on him & take him out.
I cannot stand Lindsey Graham but in regards to putin he's right. There's gotta a brutus & it is the western alliances.
JohnSJ
(92,138 posts)World opinion is universally against him and his unprovoked attack and brutality against Ukraine.
More sanctions are coming against Russia, and more weapons are being delivered into Ukraine against the Russian tyranny
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)your just like that asshole in Mar A Lago....your a malignant narcissist, you think that your great Russia empire from days gone by started in Kyviv..........your losing and you know it......you made your bed now sleep in it.....asshole...
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)So if you are gonna launch nukes over it, then I guess everyone is gonna die; but those fucking sanctions are staying.
Lifting those sanctions over the threat of nukes would be giving dictators the way to do what they want, when they want and how they want; always with the threat of you defy us, that is war and we will launch.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)DFW
(54,354 posts)And a hostile armed invasion of a neighboring country, bombing of its civilians, annexing its territory, is an act of....what? Mercy?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I think where he's from they call that liberation.
What Ukraine needs 100k of each S&S, Stingers and snipers.
Are things in your area okay?
DFW
(54,354 posts)As I have mentioned elsewhere, we have ex-pat Ukrainian friends here, and they all have family back home. One who was here at our house yesterday showed us photos on his cell phone from his mother-in-law. Her house was OK, but the one right across the street had been hit by a Russian artillery shell and was in ruins. if the wind had been blowing slightly in the other direction, it might have been her house, and if she had been home, she would have been killed.
My Ukrainian friend in Spain said her family was all in small towns near the Hungarian/Slovakian border. They have been in constant communication, but they hadn't seen any Russian invaders (yet).
The fact remains that between us in Germany and the Ukrainian border, there is only Poland. Poland isn't huge. Its is only fifteen miles wider across than Kansas. If you want a comparable scenario, figure you live in Denver, and there is a full-blown war going on in Missouri, who is being invaded by a country as powerful and as well-armed as the whole United States east and north of Missouri, and who is also threatening nuclear bombs on anyone who "interferes."
So, yes, we're OK, but the distance to "not OK" is nowhere near big enough to let us sleep easy. Yesterday, I flew back here (Düsseldorf) from Barcelona in northeastern Spain. It was about a two hour flight. From here, if you fly the same amount of time due east, you are in Kyiv.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I am very familiar with the geography and I've driven an equivalent distance (Cedar Rapids to Denver) in a day.
Regarding "not OK"... everyone in the world now needs to accept that their own distance from "not OK" is never big enough when tyrants and terrorists are killing at whim. IMO, politics and religion have something in common which is: why is there always enough of either to incite violence but they can seldom instill tolerance?
My paternal grandparents were born in Ukraine. If my father was alive today he would be worried, miserable, crushed and angry. His cousin was DP person in the '40s eventually reaching him in Philly. I remember his eyes.
For myself I started loving the study of history within a year after that activity was no longer graded and tested by folks who never put any heart into the their teaching. It seems there is always a generation somewhere on the planet that hasn't learned from history. It's always been the same. You just need to fill in the blank, "Ich bin ein ____."
I hope your daughters and other family stay safe and well.
DFW
(54,354 posts)I am basically an Eastern European mongrel. I know that one of my great-grandfathers was born in a small town in what is now Slovakia, about 12 miles west of what is today the Ukrainian border. In those days, it was just the eastern edge of the Hapsburg Empire. His family brought him as a small child to New York in 1876. One of his daughters married a poor tailor's son from Charleston, South Carolina, and they became half of my grandparents.
As a precaution, ditch the "ein." German grammar has its quirks, and one of them (ignored by JFK or his translator) is that if you want to say you are from somewhere, or are of a certain nationality, you don't use the "ein" when talking about a person. If you want to say, "I am a Frenchman," you say "Ich bin Franzose." To say I am an American, you say, "Ich bin Amerikaner." To say I'm from London, you say "Ich bin Londoner." You use the "ein" when referring to an object, cultural relic, or iconic local food that Germans associate with the place.
Examples:
Ich bin Hamburger (I am from Hamburg) vs. Ich bin ein Hamburger (I am an all beef patty on a bun)
Ich bin Frankfurter (I am from Frankfurt) vs. Ich bin ein Frankfurter (I am a hot dog)
Ich bin Pariser (I am from Paris) vs. Ich bin ein Pariser (I am a condom)
and the classic Ich bin Berliner (I am from Berlin) vs. Ich bin ein Berliner (I am a jelly-filled donut)
Elessar Zappa
(13,964 posts)I learned Spanish easily but German is rough. Trying to learn which article goes with which noun, learning the cases, all the verbs with aus, auf, etc.
DFW
(54,354 posts)If you can, either read some of the easier literature (Borchert, e.g.) and spend as much time with some friendly natives (my best solution) as you can. Familiarity is the key to getting such a feel for it that you will find yourself automatically making the right decision.
i had an easier time with Spanish, too, I must admit, but I lived in Spain for a year, and so got used to it pretty quickly, even if I lived in a part of Spain where the people didn't speak Spanish. They knew it, because they had to, but never spoke it among themselves.
With German, I got a head start with sort of a linguistic "halfway house." I started learning Swedish before I started with German. Swedish is also a Germanic language, so many of the words are similar or even the same. But Swedish grammar is simplicity personified, so within a year of starting, I went back to Sweden and didn't even need people to translate any more for me. It is THAT easy. But German is the old perverted grammar that the Scandinavians (except the Icelanders) ditched long ago. You'd have to go up to the extreme northwest (where my wife is from) to find a version of German with simplified grammar, and even then, no one speaks that version outside of the small farm communities where it still survives. If you're trying to learn standard German (Hochdeutsch), grin and bear it, and slog on through. If you end up spending any time here, the rewards of your efforts will become obvious--take it from one who knows!
By the way, good luck if you want to learn German in Switzerland. They may WRITE it the same way, but what they speak is so different, you might as well start over again from the beginning, because you will understand NOTHING! It took me almost ten years of frequent visits to Switzerland before I could hold a coherent conversation in a Swiss dialect, not helped by the fact that each German-speaking canton has their own version!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)The language is confusing for me at best. My German is decades out practice. Add to that everyone is an apologist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I_am_a_doughnut%22_urban_legend
I remember the speech from when I was much younger. I'm terrible with languages in any case. Thanks for the clarification. I trust first hand knowledge more than most of what else is out there.
DFW
(54,354 posts)As far as German goes, I have been with my German wife now for almost 50 years (married for 40), and we have always spoken German with each other. At this point, I can cut through the BS. I know in some quarters, it's fashionable to claim that the jelly-filled donut is an urban legend. But nope, I live in Germany, and live the language. It isn't.
I remember on DU, about 6 years ago, it was fashionable to wish the USA was more like Germany, because everything is "free" here. The way some of those posts read, you'd think health care, education, food, housing, and everything up to and including air conditioning for your car were all free here. NOTHING is free here. Doctors don't work without pay. Teachers don't work without pay. Houses aren't built without being paid for. Many things are financed differently from how they are in the USA, but my wife is a social worker by profession. She knows from decades of her work: there are LOTS of Germans who do NOT have educations, health care, housing or food.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)90/10% - I remember this Murphy's law corollary that says something like '90% of everything is crud.' I suppose the relative depth of the crud varies around the world but, as far as I can tell, my little corner is not the shallow end of the crud pool.
Guten abend.
ck4829
(35,056 posts)Exactly! NATO and many other nations and companies are simply liberating the world of a murderous criminal through the use of a special operation. I'm surprised he even used the word WAR. There's no war here. Anybody see war? I don't. So therefore it can't be. What's he even talking about?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)We the world will all stand outside and flip off russia.
Perhaps puketin will get the message.
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)are fair to use to limit your depredations, vlad. You got a wild hair up your ass and decided you wanted to dominate the world, starting with Ukraine. The world does not want to be dominated by the likes of you, you venal, souless criminal.
Lonestarblue
(9,975 posts)Why? Because oil and gas, because nukes, because business profits, because rich oligarchs investing in stuff, because people who launder illegal money make a lot of money. But it seems that Putin crossed the worlds red line, and the world is saying enough is enough. Time to stand up to this bully because he will not stop and will only get worse. Even if Putin stops the war now, the sanctions should stay in place as punishment. The West must not let Putin recoup his losses and then do this again. It is time for Russia to lose its status as a world power and its evil threat to the safety of the rest of the world. Let it collapse. Perhaps then its people can build a better nation.
llashram
(6,265 posts)in marred-a-leggo, a narcissistic murderous psychopath. If a world war is started by him, he will bear total blame for the cause of total war.
XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,119 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)Pretexts to commit evil and violence come out of baseless fear.
Defensive words & deeds against evil & violence are not violence.
Like J said, don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)the truth is that he's killing innocent people in Ukraine in a completely unprovoked attack. But russia is also going to get slaughtered - it's soldiers, civilians who will fight each other, and the russian economy will be devastated for all time. No one will trust russia again - it may disintegrate into tiny fourth world republics.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)You mean, Volodya, like actually INVADING another SOVEREIGN country????
Putin is acting more irrational every day. This started scary but it's getting worse.
Hey Putin, sit on a dick (Idi Na Khui)!
TomWilm
(1,832 posts)https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/01/economic-sanctions-evolved-tool-modern-war
States rarely change their practices as a result of sanctions and political and military elites usually remain insulated. Ultimately, its the most vulnerable communities that suffer the harmful effects. ...
Not only that, sanctions often lend power to repressive regimes, who capitalize on peoples suffering to cast themselves as liberators in the face of foreign oppression. ... When people are plunged into poverty, they more readily turn against the immediate source of that pain: US policies.
https://www.madre.org/press-publications/article/sanctions-are-act-war-qa-about-economic-sanctions
But it do feel good to see yet another Russian luxury yacht being towed away...
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)Fuck you, you murderous sack of dna...
Just, fuck you.
I wipe my shoe on your smooshed remains.
58Sunliner
(4,381 posts)Too effing bad. You sound scared Putrid.
patphil
(6,169 posts)OK Puty, so it won't matter if we do a few more things that are akin to acts of war...like provide planes, weapons, munitions, and volunteer soldiers to fight off your invasion of a sovereign state, which, by the way, wasn't akin to an act of war...it was and act of war.
No "akin" about it.
It's looking more and more like Putin is realizing he can't seize Ukraine, and that he will accept grabbing a couple chunks of it.
I think the Ukrainian people should reject that, and demand full withdrawal, with reparations. In return for...nothing; no concessions!
Ukraine must remain in tact, and be brought into NATO and the EU.
The scope of Putin's failure will haunt his few remaining months in office. Yes, I said months. My opinion, but it seems to me he has stepped in it big time with this ill-conceived war, and his ego won't let him just cut his losses and withdraw. At least not until the Russian Army loses a lot more men and equipment.
The generals must be getting worried about how this failure looks to the rest of the world. It makes Russia look weak.
Regardless of the outcome, this is one of Putin's defining moments. History will judge him harshly.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Kiss your ass goodbye.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)when you just invade it......you sound like that orange hair asshole in Florida that thinks your savvy and a genius. you seriously need to help and need seek medical attention.....your menace just like him to the planet,,,,
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)So buck up and quit your whining.