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riversedge

(70,049 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:00 AM Apr 2022

Man dies after setting himself on fire at Supreme Court plaza

Source: CNN




By Jamie Crawford, Jessica Schneider and Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN

Updated 1:23 PM ET, Sat April 23, 2022
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(CNN)A man who set himself on fire Friday on the plaza in front of the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC, has died, according to the Metropolitan Police Department.


The man was identified as Wynn Bruce of Boulder, Colorado, an MPD spokesperson said Saturday.
Bruce had been airlifted to a hospital in Washington, where he passed away, according to the department.

Supreme Court Police, US Capitol Police and the MPD had responded to the incident, which occurred Friday at about 6:30 p.m. Eastern time.

No one else was injured in the incident, a Supreme Court spokesperson said Friday. .....................

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/23/politics/supreme-court-man-dies-fire/index.html



What a horrible way to die. May his family and friends find peace.


No motivation given.
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Man dies after setting himself on fire at Supreme Court plaza (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2022 OP
Can't imagine the emotional pain. RIP. Hoyt Apr 2022 #1
Environmental Protester Said He Was Going To Torch Himself A Year Ago Because Climate Change Ignored DanieRains Apr 2022 #42
Awful Mz Pip Apr 2022 #2
He was a photojournalist LeftInTX Apr 2022 #6
He was a climate activist. See my post #7, below. wackadoo wabbit Apr 2022 #8
Indeed. Thank you for posting. nt SunSeeker Apr 2022 #39
anyone who sets themselves on fire has mental health issues Skittles Apr 2022 #13
Exactly JohnSJ Apr 2022 #14
Really no other way to put it. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #20
Doing Things That Guarantee Our Children's Future Will Be Horrible Is Okay Though? DanieRains Apr 2022 #43
One has zero to do with the other. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #44
Also, there is no real way to stop anything at this point anyway. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #45
Government and media's response to climate change IS ridiculous ck4829 Apr 2022 #23
people don't set themselves on fire because the governemnt is failing to deal with climate change Skittles Apr 2022 #47
I don't feel this was the most effective method to deal with climate/environment LeftInTX Apr 2022 #31
You say that like it's a moral failing NullTuples Apr 2022 #32
exactly, thank you llashram Apr 2022 #34
++ llashram Apr 2022 #41
+1 SunImp Apr 2022 #55
so this monk llashram Apr 2022 #33
YES Skittles Apr 2022 #48
--- llashram Apr 2022 #51
Thích Quảng Đức - Saigon, 1963 Make7 Apr 2022 #3
Norman Morrison - Washington, DC, November 2, 1965 Bo Zarts Apr 2022 #24
++ llashram Apr 2022 #40
Burning must be the most painful way to die. BigmanPigman Apr 2022 #4
Thousands of women burned as witches can testify to that. n/t TygrBright Apr 2022 #5
Of the 20 people executed from the Salem Witch Trials, 19 were hanged and one was pressed to death 24601 Apr 2022 #53
Almost all "heresy" persecutions in Europe between 1517 and 1700 made use of witchcraft statutes... TygrBright Apr 2022 #54
OK, thanks for that information n/t 24601 Apr 2022 #59
That is *a* list of *some named* people executed for witchcraft, not a comprehensive one muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #58
No motivation given?! He was a climate activist! wackadoo wabbit Apr 2022 #7
Thank you for sharing this information, nearly killed altogether by corporate media. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Judi Lynn Apr 2022 #9
The media are afraid of real heroes and challenged by real life ambiguity. hay rick Apr 2022 #11
How does burning one's self to death make one a "real hero"? Was this an act to which we should Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #12
exactly. JohnSJ Apr 2022 #15
The Buddhist monk who set himself aflame in Saigon got worldwide attention. hay rick Apr 2022 #26
I'm old enough to remember that monk's death. I was active in the antiwar movement in those early CTyankee Apr 2022 #29
The setting is different. There were photos in Vietnam LeftInTX Apr 2022 #30
This (likely) won't. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #37
That was 1963? alphafemale Apr 2022 #56
+1 intheflow Apr 2022 #18
"no one on the other side would be willing ... Novara Apr 2022 #21
Thank you Wild blueberry Apr 2022 #36
Mercifully this poor man died. Lunabell Apr 2022 #10
self immolation rampartc Apr 2022 #16
Self-immolation is self-violent and it leaves a mess for nurses in hospitals or street cleaners Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2022 #17
I don't know how anyone could do it. LiberatedUSA Apr 2022 #25
It's still ongoing in Tibet without much change or impact LeftInTX Apr 2022 #38
It is tragic. I'll stick with that. The mind is very complicated twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #19
"Fix a sick mind with the same sick mind." Collimator Apr 2022 #27
... ck4829 Apr 2022 #22
His FB post in 2020: dalton99a Apr 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Apr 2022 #35
There are more articles now on his climate activism IronLionZion Apr 2022 #46
Another death that the Rethugs should be charged with. clementine613 Apr 2022 #49
I remember well the Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc... Jack-o-Lantern Apr 2022 #50
Probably used a fossil fuel to set himself on fire. Emile Apr 2022 #52
Tragic jfz9580m Apr 2022 #57
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
42. Environmental Protester Said He Was Going To Torch Himself A Year Ago Because Climate Change Ignored
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 03:37 PM
Apr 2022

Wish the media could point this out....

The same billionaires that own oil stocks, own the media....

LeftInTX

(25,103 posts)
6. He was a photojournalist
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:47 AM
Apr 2022

I can think of a million things to protest the USSC

Voting rights
Gerrymandering
Reproductive rights

The list is endless

wackadoo wabbit

(1,164 posts)
8. He was a climate activist. See my post #7, below.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:52 AM
Apr 2022

Curious how not one mainstream media outlet has mentioned this little fact.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
43. Doing Things That Guarantee Our Children's Future Will Be Horrible Is Okay Though?
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 03:39 PM
Apr 2022

Drill baby drill.

Drive baby drive.

Fly baby fly.

Cruise baby cruise.

Burn baby burn.

The Real Earth Plan.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
45. Also, there is no real way to stop anything at this point anyway.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 04:58 PM
Apr 2022

People grasp at electric vehicles, solar & wind power like that will solve everything. It won't & its not realistic. People in Teslas in LA already wait in lines to charge their cars. Too much of whats needed comes from CHINA. And we see what the EU is dealing with by chaining themselves to Russia for much of THEIR energy. China will gladly hold the rest of the world hostage for solar & battery materials. Meanwhile China & India keep building more coal power plants & keep putting more into he air than we do.
Most also refuse to accept nuclear power as a vital part of reducing greenhouse emissions. Etc Etc.
All that together adds up to a failure to reach any reasonable goals.
I hope for new inventions & discoveries because THATS what its going to take

ck4829

(35,037 posts)
23. Government and media's response to climate change IS ridiculous
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 08:15 AM
Apr 2022

Especially when we had politicians shift from Denial: "Climate change isn't real" to Rationalization: "Climate change means we will have new sea lanes open up"

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
47. people don't set themselves on fire because the governemnt is failing to deal with climate change
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 06:40 PM
Apr 2022

OK? IT IS A SUICIDE ATTEMPT.

LeftInTX

(25,103 posts)
31. I don't feel this was the most effective method to deal with climate/environment
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 10:44 AM
Apr 2022

I don't think this will change anything.

I don't know if he was mentally ill, but I just don't see any good coming from this.

We can't get anything done in DC.

Will this change Manchin's mind?

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
32. You say that like it's a moral failing
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 10:46 AM
Apr 2022

Given everything that's gone to crap these last few years, some people have simply reached their moral limits.

That may not make them "crazy", only overwhelmed.

Perhaps they're seeing the world accurately and just couldn't block it out each day any more. It's a wonder any of us can, and do.





llashram

(6,265 posts)
33. so this monk
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:16 AM
Apr 2022

had mental health issues?
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/the-burning-monk-1963/
https://www.grunge.com/484621/the-real-reason-this-buddhist-monk-set-himself-on-fire/


In America today there is great depression among many who think rationally yet like this individual sees no other way to protest. Many such as I don't. There were many monks who set themselves on fire in protest during the Vietnam War. This monk probably saw many years of coming death and destruction in this country. He was subject to persecution as a Buddhist monk and he also was protesting the persecution of Roman Catholic President Diem against Buddhists. The political and religious reasons go back into Vietnam's history as a French colony.

So until we have a note explaining a reason for this gentleman setting himself on fire...Ukraine's death and destruction? Hate against the Left? Abortion? Republicans trying to overturn our government? Racism? Sexism? Climate change and coming environmental chaos and disaster? Don't judge so harshly. His self-immolation is sad. True. But I will continue to try to understand this decision outside the judgement of being mentally ill.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
3. Thích Quảng Đức - Saigon, 1963
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:30 AM
Apr 2022
Thích Quảng Đức (1897 – 11 June 1963; born Lâm Văn Túc) was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who burned himself to death at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963. Quảng Đức was protesting the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government led by Ngô Đình Diệm, a staunch Roman Catholic. Photographs of his self-immolation circulated around the world, drawing attention to the policies of the Diệm government. John F. Kennedy said of one photograph, "No news picture in history has generated so much emotion around the world as that one." Malcolm Browne won a Pulitzer Prize for his photograph of the monk's death.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c

I can't avoid thinking about Vietnam when reading this news. Sadly, if Mr. Bruce was acting in protest, it is unlikely to have much of an impact. I hope he found peace at last.

Bo Zarts

(25,389 posts)
24. Norman Morrison - Washington, DC, November 2, 1965
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 09:17 AM
Apr 2022

On the steps of the Pentagon, within view of the office window of Robert Strange McNamara - US Secretary of Defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Morrison

24601

(3,955 posts)
53. Of the 20 people executed from the Salem Witch Trials, 19 were hanged and one was pressed to death
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:02 PM
Apr 2022

in the attempt to force him to enter a plea.

of the Salem 20, 14 were women and 6 were men, including one minister. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_of_the_Salem_witch_trials

When you widen the scope to those worldwide executed (I would argue the correct term is murdered) from before 323 BC (method unknown) through 2020 (Firing Squad in Somalia), the number appears to be under 150. While some were burned, that wasn't the exclusive method. Hanging and beheading were prominent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_for_witchcraft

TygrBright

(20,753 posts)
54. Almost all "heresy" persecutions in Europe between 1517 and 1700 made use of witchcraft statutes...
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 08:22 PM
Apr 2022

...and resulted in thousands of burnings.

Germany had a particularly gruesome record of burnings, but Spain, the Low Countries, and France did plenty. One of the charges against Joan of Arc was witchcraft.

Male heretics were also burned, but their charges included witchcraft much less often.

Possibly the number of women burned "only" for a charge of witchcraft is relatively small, but thousands of women nevertheless experienced burning to death as witches (AND heretics, etc.)

The history of conflating "witchcraft" with "heresy" is an interesting and revolting one - male leaders of both Catholic and Protestant "Christian" churches deliberately connected the two as a way of increasing the horror factor of heresy sufficiently to justify grotesque torture and forms of execution as a terror tactic.

Any uppity woman who got wrongsides with the local religious authorities was vulnerable, in the 16th and 17th Centuries.

And yes, thousands did burn.

historically,
Bright

muriel_volestrangler

(101,263 posts)
58. That is *a* list of *some named* people executed for witchcraft, not a comprehensive one
Tue Apr 26, 2022, 03:29 AM
Apr 2022

The paragraph (it's Wikipedia, but it does give sources) which seems relevant is:

It has been estimated that tens of thousands of people were executed for witchcraft in Europe and the American colonies over several hundred years. The exact number is unknown, but modern conservative scholars estimate around 40,000–50,000.[A] Scholar Carlo Ginzburg of the University of Bologna, in his work Night Battles, estimates the number between 3-4 million people. Common methods of execution for convicted witches were hanging, drowning and burning. Burning was often favored, particularly in Europe, as it was considered a more painful way to die.[5] Prosecutors in the American colonies generally preferred hanging in cases of witchcraft.[5]

wackadoo wabbit

(1,164 posts)
7. No motivation given?! He was a climate activist!
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:51 AM
Apr 2022

He was a Shambhala Buddhist who was deeply concerned about climate change, and he'd posted/telegraphed a year before that he was planning on doing this on Earth Day 2022.

Here's the best article about him that I believe exists:

https://dennismichaellynch.com/news-alert-eery-social-media-post-surfaces-from-man-who-set-himself-on-fire-near-supreme-court/

To say that I'm disgusted by the way the mainstream media is covering this — or should I say, "failing to cover this" — is such an understatement that I can't even articulate it. It really is reprehensible.


Judi Lynn

(160,447 posts)
9. Thank you for sharing this information, nearly killed altogether by corporate media. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 01:49 AM
Apr 2022

hay rick

(7,584 posts)
11. The media are afraid of real heroes and challenged by real life ambiguity.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 02:04 AM
Apr 2022

In the absence of a "suicide note" they would have to investigate his life work and his religion. They so don't want to go there...

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
12. How does burning one's self to death make one a "real hero"? Was this an act to which we should
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 02:24 AM
Apr 2022

aspire? Of all the ways to characterize his suicide, "tragic" comes to mind immediately.

"Heroic" does not.

hay rick

(7,584 posts)
26. The Buddhist monk who set himself aflame in Saigon got worldwide attention.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 09:31 AM
Apr 2022

His act was viewed as heroic and was another public relations nail in the coffin of America's involvement in Viet Nam.

Mr. Bruce may have retained his full rational faculties, not have suffered from depression or some form of mental illness, and acted in accordance with his Buddhist principles. Perhaps Mother Earth was his Viet Nam. An incurious media establishment appears disinclined to seek out and share more information.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
29. I'm old enough to remember that monk's death. I was active in the antiwar movement in those early
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 10:37 AM
Apr 2022

days when we were called traitors, when we were peacefully protesting. At the time my marriage was falling apart and my activism was one of the things my then husband thought I was "overdoing." I had a little son then and I was damned if I was going to let the war machine against the Vietnamese people claim my son through the draft, then in existence.

LeftInTX

(25,103 posts)
30. The setting is different. There were photos in Vietnam
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 10:38 AM
Apr 2022

There is so much horrific stuff in the world right now. Climate is just one of them. I don't know if the Supreme Court is the most effective setting.
The media will probably find out more. They need to verify their sources.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/03/27/149454729/protest-by-fire-why-some-tibetans-choose-self-immolation

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
37. This (likely) won't.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:15 PM
Apr 2022

The Vietnam War consumed the attention of the American people in the 60's and 70's. Climate change...not so much.

My guess is that this story will be covered for a couple of days, then fade away.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
56. That was 1963?
Mon Apr 25, 2022, 09:34 PM
Apr 2022

It did nothing to stop the war.

Nothing.

Just as this man's senseless death will do....nothing.

It would be very irresponsible for the media to glorify a suicide.

They don't do that.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
18. +1
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 06:50 AM
Apr 2022

I saw “no motive given” and immediately searched his name. I figured he was one of the good guys because no one on the other side would be willing to risk their lives to make a point in a way that doesn’t harm others.

Novara

(5,817 posts)
21. "no one on the other side would be willing ...
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 08:03 AM
Apr 2022

"... to risk their lives to make a point in a way that doesn’t harm others."

A-fucking-men.

Lunabell

(6,044 posts)
10. Mercifully this poor man died.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 01:52 AM
Apr 2022

So sad. But, I think it's just too late for this planet at this point. 😕

rampartc

(5,383 posts)
16. self immolation
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 05:01 AM
Apr 2022

mohammed bonazizi ignited the arab spring in tunisia. the arab spring featured several self immolations. 4 in algeria, 2 in egypt, 1 i mauritania

buddhist monk thich quang duc and several others protested diem's suppression of south vietnam's buddhists by catholic minorities (supported by catholic jfk)

also czechs in their 1968 anti soviet uprising, tibetans, and turkish kurds in the 1990s among others.

self immolation is a serious form of non violent protest, kids, don't try this at home.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,939 posts)
17. Self-immolation is self-violent and it leaves a mess for nurses in hospitals or street cleaners
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 05:58 AM
Apr 2022

It is a serious disregard for reality to call it "non-violent" or to call it "heroic" as another poster did.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
25. I don't know how anyone could do it.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 09:25 AM
Apr 2022

It is the most agonizing way to die with your only hope being you pass out as soon as possible.

LeftInTX

(25,103 posts)
38. It's still ongoing in Tibet without much change or impact
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:58 PM
Apr 2022

Protests against China

It's a personal decision.
Everyone is entitled to free speech.
Unfortunately, I don't think his death will have an impact on climate change.

However, it is his decision and his decision alone and I respect that.

twodogsbarking

(9,664 posts)
19. It is tragic. I'll stick with that. The mind is very complicated
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 06:54 AM
Apr 2022

and when you have to battle your own you are both the attacker and the attacked.
You are forced to try and fix a sick mind with the same sick mind.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
27. "Fix a sick mind with the same sick mind."
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 09:42 AM
Apr 2022

I once described it as having cut oneself very deeply and bleeding out. You see the blood; you know that you should do something to stop the bleeding. But you are so woozy and disoriented from blood loss that you can't act.

And I have to second the observation of others here that, aside from the horror of this man's desperate act, the real story is the media's unwillingness to address the man's motivation for doing what he did.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
46. There are more articles now on his climate activism
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 05:55 PM
Apr 2022

he's an American but I see the news is mostly reported in European media from a quick google search

Jack-o-Lantern

(966 posts)
50. I remember well the Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc...
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:57 PM
Apr 2022

who self-immolated at a busy intersection in Saigon in 1963. A picture of him burning was all over the media.
That picture was horrifying. It haunts my dreams to this day.
Imagine the hundreds or even thousands of little kids who have seen the burning man…

I can appreciate Mr. Bruce’s dedication to a cause, and his determination to effect change.

But to do this??

I don’t see this act as something noble, or something to be admired or something that will change anything at all.
I do feel incredibly sad and sorry for this poor misguided man.
It was a tragic waist of a good man’s life.

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