Judge Holds Trump in Contempt Over Documents in New York A.G.'s Inquiry
Source: New York Times
A New York judge on Monday held Donald J. Trump in contempt of court for failing to turn over documents to the states attorney general, an extraordinary rebuke of the former president.
The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, ordered Mr. Trump to comply with a subpoena seeking records and assessed a fine of $10,000 per day until he satisfies the courts requirements. In essence, the judge concluded that Mr. Trump had failed to cooperate with the attorney general, Letitia James, and follow the courts orders.
Mr. Trump: I know you take your business seriously, and I take mine seriously, Justice Engoron remarked, before holding Mr. Trump in contempt and banging his gavel. The ruling represents a significant victory for Ms. James, whose office is conducting a civil investigation into whether Mr. Trump falsely inflated the value of his assets in annual financial statements.
In January, Ms. James, a Democrat, said her office had concluded that the Trump Organization had engaged in fraudulent or misleading practices involving the statements. But she said she would continue to investigate before deciding whether to sue Mr. Trump or his company. Although Ms. James does not have the authority to file criminal charges, her civil inquiry is running parallel to a criminal investigation led by the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, who is examining some of the same conduct.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/25/nyregion/trump-investigation-letitia-james-contempt.html
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)I self-deleted my LBN post on this when I saw this thread.
This will be fun to watch
Link to tweet
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/25/politics/trump-contempt-hearing/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2022-04-25T16%3A48%3A16&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_medium=social
Judge Arthur Engoron said Trump failed to abide by his order to comply with the subpoena, and that his attorneys failed to show how a search of materials held by Trump was conducted. Engoron said Trump would be fined $10,000 a day until he complies.
"Mr. Trump, I know you take your business seriously and I take mine seriously. I hereby hold you in civil contempt and fine you $10,000 per day until you purge that contempt," Engoron said at a hearing Monday.
New York Attorney General Letitia James' office has been investigating the Trump Organization for more than two years and previously said her office found multiple misleading or fraudulent misstatements and omissions in the Trump Organization's financial statements, which were provided to lenders and insurers, among others, as part of its investigation.
BumRushDaShow
(128,855 posts)you have to be FAST!!!
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)I had a repair person in the house and was paying him which delayed me
BumRushDaShow
(128,855 posts)The NYT breaking banner popped up on the iPad that I have on a little mount next to my laptop and away I went...
Trueblue1968
(17,205 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)...been treated so unfairly!
Not sarcasm!! I BELIEVE this!!
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)Never in the history of the world has a single selfish, lazy, devious, myopic miscreant gotten away with so much icky business over so many decades!
It IS unfair! MASSIVELY so! And massively unfair to ALL the rest of us (especially all those of us who seek Justice and the thorough, all-encompassing, and preferably PERMANENT correction of bad behavior - with the required trial, conviction, and years of required incarceration)!
iluvtennis
(19,850 posts)Emile
(22,673 posts)iluvtennis
(19,850 posts)KS Toronado
(17,199 posts)his MO is to delay & fight everything in court. Hope the fines add up so quickly
that the State seizes _rump Tower from him for nonpayment.
KS Toronado
(17,199 posts)That oughta burn his ass.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)And I don't know if a judge can put a lien on something thats not personally owned.
I HOPE he can!!
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)which would mean he was personally liable.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)Trump doesn't own it.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)but not out of his own pocket hell scam his faithful followers
Trueblue1968
(17,205 posts)moreland01
(738 posts)Like most real estate developers, trump is property-debt rich and cash poor. They can't seize promises, lies, inflated values, etc.
Trueblue1968
(17,205 posts)PSPS
(13,591 posts)I guess they can "convict" him posthumously in 50 years or so.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)he was supposed to turn over the documents a month and a half ago. This is it for Trump, of course, it is Trump.
There are plenty of American oligarchs who will pay the fine.
scipan
(2,341 posts)Finally, some accountability.
Escurumbele
(3,386 posts)money they don't have...
tikka
(762 posts)bluestarone
(16,906 posts)Make him pay every penny!
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)if he doesn't pay the fine. Could he be arrested?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,460 posts)So, I don't see how fines will compel his compliance. Only a jail cell will do that.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)10k per day is chicken feed for oligarchs.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Roc2020
(1,615 posts)because that's 3.5 million a year. I guess whatever he has to hide is worth it
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Well worth it, if it keeps him from having to hand over documents before the R's take over Congress or the Presidency.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Auggie
(31,163 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)JohnSJ
(92,138 posts)breath
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)In national media outlets finally unabashedly labeling TFStooge as a CRIMINAL.
After dozens of crowd incitements to "lock her up".
After bragging about sexually assaulting women because he's above any shred of decency aside from above the law.
After "I could shoot someone on the street".
After so many of the cult claiming some heavenly diety ordination to be president.
I can't repeat it enough:
Trump is a CRINIMAL. A con artist and CRIMINAL. A disgusting low life scumbucket CRIMINAL. A useless stinking, ugly, hateful, conniving, evil, undeserving, trashy, nasty, incurably insane CRIMINAL, dammit.
Judge holds Trump in contempt for failing to turn over documents https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-contempt-new-york-fraud-investigation-attorney-general-letitia-james/
Wednesdays
(17,342 posts)If there's one person on the entire planet in need of a diety, it's TFG:
:snicker:
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)If I was "Hollywood" I'd make a blockbuster with that cretin's behavior.
Novara
(5,840 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)It'll be worth it to him to keep the documents out of that court. Just another cost of doing business.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)Novara
(5,840 posts)The contempt order could be short-lived. If Alina Habba, one of Mr. Trumps lawyers, files a sworn statement detailing every step that was taken to locate potential documents, the judge might be satisfied, lawyers close to the case said. Ms. Habba said after the hearing ended that she intended to file such a statement, potentially by the end of the day.
This has to satisfy the judge. It would appear lawyers said, "We looked, honest," and that isn't good enough.
Also:
This month, lawyers from Ms. Jamess office said that Mr. Trump had declined to turn over documents in response to eight separate requests, and called for him to be held in contempt and assessed a daily fine of $10,000 as long as he continued to not cooperate.
I'm thinking it might be hard to prove well enough that they really did try. I'll bet they destroyed the records. No matter, property valuation and tax records can be obtained from official sources.
Keep in mind that this is a civil suit, not a criminal one, which would need to be pursued by Bragg, who seems to have dropped the ball.
sdfernando
(4,930 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)Either way, they will collect the same amount - zero.
packman
(16,296 posts)and a big "So what". Now a 100K a day MIGHT make him a bit upset.
tinrobot
(10,895 posts)I suspect a lot of prosecutors are cautious about charging a former president.
This shows he's not above the law and makes it easier to charge. One step closer to handcuffs.
mcar
(42,302 posts)usaf-vet
(6,181 posts).....afraid to jail him. Thus admitting there are two standards in our laws.
I have never voted for a POTUS thinking it granted him (her someday) lifetime immunity for breaking the laws we all have to live by.
Novara
(5,840 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,732 posts)then shits out something entirely different than the truth and his followers believe.......
Midnight Writer
(21,745 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Yes. Yes it is "extraordinary".
Compared to Alvin Bragg, and the long list of other examples of letting Trump off scott free.
The real question should be..... Why simply following the law, and filing contempt charges after noncompliance of the court, after months of ignoring them, is an "extraordinary rebuke" against Trump.....but not for anyone else who dares to defy the court that way.
Just because of his last name? Because he was a former President? Why isn't the story framed as Trump himself the one responsible for an "extraordinary rebuke" of the courts?
AllaN01Bear
(18,159 posts)ignored and can he be arrested ?
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)Benefits and pensions allowances for former Presidents are usually in the $100k+ range annually they can start there.
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)KICK his ass.... till there is no money left.
Kablooie
(18,626 posts)He will either win or keep this in the courts for years.
Trump's lawyers are much better and scamming the law than the justice department is at carrying it out.
RipVanWinkle
(224 posts)Trumps lawyers are better at scamming the law than DOJ is at holding Trump accountable.
Wake me up when Trump has been indicted.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)A Manhattan judge has ordered Donald Trump's longstanding appraisers, Cushman and Wakefield, to turn over documents to New York Attorney General Letitia James.
The decision is the second victory Monday for James' probe of the former president's business dealings; in a press statement, James promised, "our investigation will continue undeterred."
Earlier Monday, the same judge, New York State Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, held Trump personally in contempt of court and ordered that he, too, comply with James' subpoenas, which in his case seek his personal business documents.
Trump additionally must pay a $10,000-a-day fine, Engoron ordered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-longtime-appraisers-cushman-and-wakefield-ordered-to-obey-ny-ag-letitia-james-subpoenas/ar-AAWAGCa
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)with him.
Jack-o-Lantern
(966 posts)Emile
(22,673 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)... Donald Trump has so much of Other People's Money to throw away, it wouldn't make an impression. Put his ass in the slam.
-- Mal