Justice Dept. Requests Transcripts From Jan. 6 Committee
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON The Justice Department has asked the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack for transcripts of interviews it is conducting, which have included discussions with associates of former President Donald J. Trump, according to people with knowledge of the situation. The move, coming as Attorney General Merrick B. Garland appears to be ramping up the pace of his painstaking investigation into the Capitol riot, is the clearest sign yet of a wide-ranging inquiry at the Justice Department.
The House committee has interviewed more than 1,000 people so far, and the transcripts could be used as evidence in potential criminal cases, to pursue new leads or as a baseline text for new interviews conducted by federal law enforcement officials. Aides to Representative Bennie Thompson, Democrat of Mississippi and the chairman of the committee, have yet to reach a final agreement with the Justice Department on what will be turned over, according to a person with knowledge of the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the confidential nature of the investigations.
On April 20, Kenneth A. Polite Jr., the assistant attorney general for the criminal division, and Matthew M. Graves, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, wrote to Timothy J. Heaphy, the lead investigator for the House panel, advising him that some committee interviews may contain information relevant to a criminal investigation we are conducting.
Mr. Polite and Mr. Graves did not indicate the number of transcripts they were requesting or whether any interviews were of particular interest. In their letter, they made a broad request, asking that the panel provide to us transcripts of these interviews, and of any additional interviews you conduct in the future. Spokesmen for the Justice Department and the House committee declined to comment.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/us/politics/jan-6-committee-transcripts.html
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)to do something? Anything?
Wake me when they arrest the Slobfather.
cstanleytech
(26,283 posts)saw with Bush after he was out of office where he nor anyone in his administration were held accountable.
RipVanWinkle
(224 posts)Wake me up when Trump is indicted.
AllaN01Bear
(18,159 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,310 posts)DOJ probably indicted nearly 800 criminals on charges related to Jan 6 due entirely to public pressure, right?
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)of what? I don't want participants. I want the assholes that planned and spearheaded the insurrection, not the dumb shits who were stupid enough to follow the Big Orange Pig.
When they get to those who planned and spearheaded this, wake me.
Beastly Boy
(9,310 posts)you should have done it yourself.
There is a reason why it isn't and why you didn't.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)have the reach and power of the DOJ, but I'm flattered you think I do.
Beastly Boy
(9,310 posts)That was implied in my post: "If your wishes are a benchmark". Obviously they aren't.
Yet, you seem to expect DOJ to act on your wishes, as if they are a benchmark. Thankfully, DOJ has the reach and power, as well as the intelligence and discipline, to to disregard wishes and act on due process of law.
Somehow, you must have missed my point: your wishes are not a benchmark, and you are not in a position to conduct any investigations yourself.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)You seem to want to do battle for some reason. I'm not taking the bait.
This is an opinion and information board. If you don't like my opinions, ignore me. A lot better than you have done it. Buh-bye.
ffr
(22,669 posts)Which just puts me over the top as to the danger people like the Big Orange Pig presents. They're all traitors and should be tried with vigor. Or to put it another way, they should be tried with no less vigor than they wanted for Hillary Clinton who didn't do anything but service the public, with popularity numbers they could only dream of.
We need to keep the pressure on DOJ to not drop the ball nor slow-play this any longer than they have to.
Bev54
(10,047 posts)of the highest politicians in the country without being sure they have an air tight case? This case is absolutely historical in the amount of people involved and the level of people involved. I do not understand those who think they should just "arrest him and throw them in jail" attitude, it is not a logical or serious opinion. No prosecutor will want to take this into a court room without knowing they will win and that means a lot of work which takes time. I do hope the congressmen who have been subpoenaed and those who are anticipating one, are having a great deal of anxiety today.
quakerboy
(13,919 posts)until republicans manage to grab back enough power to block any real investigation, and then it will all quietly disappear.
RayStar
(417 posts)I am still happy about today.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)the assholes planning and the dumb shits' execution.
The 1,000 witnesses re planning assholes bring evidence from the top down. The 295 dumb shits' admissions, cooperation and convictions bring evidence from the bottom up.
This is the pace of justice in indicting the planners of an unprecedented large scale coup.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)To hell with the peons. I want the big fish. Then if theres time left over, go after the peons.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)The bell tolls for thee.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)It used to drive the dog crazy, but not so much anymore.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)IT WAS LEAKED, that DOJ is investigating beyond the 1/6 insurrection. Praise the Lord and pass the transcripts on to the DOJ.
I certainly hope that the wait and see crowd and the let's get moving crowd can come together and celebrate that we have concrete proof that DOJ is investigating.
Dan Goldman made the point that DOJ should look into charging the coup planners with trying to overturn an election.
i can relax, the wait and see crowd can relax because I am pausing my "what is DOJ doing" posts.
Let's all agree that the coup planners need to be held accountable.
And thank you.
on edit: Myself, I am moving from the "be patient" mode to "enjoy the show" mode.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)"Let's all agree that the coup planners need to be held accountable." I agree with that.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)But not all that surprising for those who have been following things relatively closely.
Kinda funny that it was this particular event that shifted your perspective, but better late than never.
Note: you and I may have disagreed in the past about the status of the investigation, but we have always agreed on the necessity of convicting the coup architects.
Novara
(5,840 posts)... as an indication that they are indeed doing something.
It really is a BIG FUCKING DEAL that we know this.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)I suppose it's better late than never, but the clock is rapidly running out on what Democrats can do, if anything, before the mid-terms.
I honestly hope they are at the end of a full-scale investigation, but if this is preliminary information gathering..........we're screwed and Trump skates away again. I've seen it happen too many times to think otherwise.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)If Garland acts publicly it's probably too late. I still think there's a probability that clarity is waiting patiently for a place to safely land for as many concerned as is possible to save from justice. I have a suspicious nature ever since 2000 when we lost our country through cooperative efforts from multiple actors in every branch of our government.
msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)bikeboy
(126 posts)My Dad always said in any investigation there's always Mr Cotton and Mr Steel... Just sayin,
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)Mr Polite. lol.
IcyPeas
(21,859 posts)thecrow
(5,519 posts)His doctors name was Dr. Blood
!!
And when I was having some excruciating electrical tests in my arm
in preparation for surgery, my doctor was
Dr. Paine.
Strange how that stuff works.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)They'll do this nonsense for six more months when, just as they wish, it will all just "go away."
summer_in_TX
(2,733 posts)A great, if expected development.
The separation of investigations until this point between the J6 Committee and the DOJ, along with the lack of leaks from the DOJ, should mean that all or almost all of the evidence was developed independently and can be used to convict.
Not so with the Iran-Contra investigation. Few got the consequences warranted. And in the court of public opinion, G. Gordon Liddy, came out with too many believing he was a hero.
I hope that those convinced of the divinity of DFG will be disillusioned over the next several months.
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)The move, coming as Attorney General Merrick B. Garland appears to be ramping up the pace of his painstaking investigation into the Capitol riot, is the clearest sign yet of a wide-ranging inquiry at the Justice Department
Clearest sign yet? Sorry, not clear at all. Who knows why they want to look at the transcripts? More dirt on the numbskulls who attacked the Capital?
Wide ranging inquiry? Again, the opacity of this investigation and its slow pace doesnt inspire confidence that theres anybody beyond afore mentioned numbskulls under scrutiny.
The 2022 election is 174 days away. As conservatively as Garland is apparently proceeding, hes sure to observe the 90 day infamous internal no indictments or other bombshells that might, maybe have an effect on the election memo. So that means just 84 days left to indict before an election which could see the House and Senate pass to the hands of those who will be in a position to do even more to eliminate any accountability for the coup plotters.
Garland should be operating without regard to that damn memo. If the coup plotters meet the tests for indictment they should be indicted the day that determination is made ESPECIALLY if those indictments will influence the election. Coup plotters dont deserve extra judicial discretion. Voters need all the data points they can get to make a reasonable judgement. (And dont get me started on the Comey memo that torpedoed Hillary).
Let me rant on to another point. Garland does not need an airtight, absolutely slam dunk case. He needs to indict if there is a reasonable assumption to be made that the coup plotters broke the law. Then let juries decide whether the evidence available is sufficient.
Beastly Boy
(9,310 posts)prosecuted and convicted?
Mmmm-kay!
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)something equally preposterous may be in the windor nothing at all
Beastly Boy
(9,310 posts)Wide ranging inquiry? Again, the opacity of this investigation and its slow pace doesnt inspire confidence that theres anybody beyond afore mentioned numbskulls under scrutiny.
Are you talking about something equally preposterous to this? But how can you conclude, given the opacity of the DOJ investigation, that the results would be in any way preposterous? That's baseless speculation. And then, when DOJ requests transcripts from J6 committee, how can you possibly conclude that the results would be as preposterous as the conclusions made on the basis of past baseless speculations?
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)Why would criminal prosecutors describe their entire case in the press just to satisfy a few individuals in the general public?
The stuff they have gathered and continue to gather, has and can be presented to either existing federal grand juries and/or to new federal grand juries.
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)(hint, I am a federal retiree who had worked with DOJ in the past and had my stuff used as evidence for cases)
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)see them being carried out expeditiously in this case.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)in the 235 year history of this country?
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)So Robert Mueller was tasked to deal with thousands of RW extremist thugs who broke into the U.S. Capitol threatening the Vice President of the United States yelling "HANG MIKE PENCE!!!11!!!" (with a gallows set up outside) and roaming through the corridors yelling "FIND THAT BITCH PELOSI!!!!", where the official Certificates of Ascertainment had to be secreted away so they wouldn't be stolen, while the terrorists were proceeding to destroy furniture and files in the House Parliamentarian's Office, rifling through the Speaker of the House's office, and otherwise causing some almost $3 million in damage?
So this is the same as what Mueller was investigating?
I suppose that Rip Van Winkle "Mueller" response was to be expected.
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,224 posts)The January 6th Committee doesn't have the power to prosecute, they just gathered the evidence, it's up to DOJ to take legal action.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)particularly with respect to referrals for those who have blown off a subpoena that they probably really needed some info from - obviously Bannon (since he had no excuse not being "active" in any administration), and more recently Meadows, Navarro, and Scavino.
One of the other purposes of this Committee is to use the report to help guide standing Congressional Committees on what is needed in drafting legislation to help ensure that this doesn't happen again.
For example, their very first public hearing exposed weaknesses in the coordination of response between the various law enforcement entities that service the U.S. Capitol, the Capitol grounds, and the city of Washington D.C., including what became a cumbersome, itinerant, and often intransigent chain of command.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)They set up a tip line. They collected testimony from the congressional hearings.
Lots of noise.
They didn't look into anything. No leads were followed. No witnesses contacted. No followup to credible reports.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)You mean the DOJ headed up by Jeff Sessions (remember him? I guess not ), who was Attorney General when Kavanaugh was going through confirmation in 2018?
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)Did the doj/fbi actually follow up on anything?
Nope.
Same doj. Same fbi
Just a different ag.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans?
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)There doesn't seem to be any change at doj/fbi.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)The one thing to keep in mind about Garland is that having been a D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals judge for 24 years (the last 7 as Chief), he knows what goes on in a judge's mind including what they are looking for and whether what is being presented is bullshit or not.
Neither Elf nor Barrf had that kind of judicial experience (where Garland has worked as a prosecutor for DOJ in the past in various capacities, giving him an additional perspective).
I know that some seem to want the Sidney Powell Kracken style of filing court cases but I think Democrats have no plans to go down that rabbit hole.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)No indictments after 14 months is not the result of careful case building
It's intentional inaction.
Yet hunter bidens case is on greased rails.
I used to defend them. I used the same logic you do. I was wrong.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)So Steve Bannon is a "small fry"? Trial is scheduled for July 18, 2022.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stephen-k-bannon-indicted-contempt-congress
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, November 12, 2021
Stephen K. Bannon Indicted for Contempt of Congress
Two Charges Filed for Failing to Honor House Subpoena From Select Committee Investigating Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
Stephen K. Bannon was indicted today by a federal grand jury on two counts of contempt of Congress stemming from his failure to comply with a subpoena issued by the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 breach of the U.S. Capitol.
Bannon, 67, is charged with one contempt count involving his refusal to appear for a deposition and another involving his refusal to produce documents, despite a subpoena from the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol. An arraignment date has not yet been set in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
Since my first day in office, I have promised Justice Department employees that together we would show the American people by word and deed that the department adheres to the rule of law, follows the facts and the law and pursues equal justice under the law, said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. Todays charges reflect the departments steadfast commitment to these principles.
As detailed in the indictment, on Sept. 23, 2021, the Select Committee issued a subpoena to Mr. Bannon, said U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves for the District of Columbia. The subpoena required him to appear and produce documents to the Select Committee, and to appear for a deposition before the Select Committee. According to the indictment, Mr. Bannon refused to appear to give testimony as required by subpoena and refused to produce documents in compliance with a subpoena.
In its subpoena, the Select Committee said it had reason to believe that Bannon had information relevant to understanding events related to Jan. 6. Bannon, formerly a Chief Strategist and Counselor to the President, has been a private citizen since departing the White House in 2017.
Each count of contempt of Congress carries a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of one year in jail, as well as a fine of $100 to $100,000. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
An indictment is merely an allegation and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
The case is being investigated by the FBIs Washington Field Office. The case is being prosecuted by the Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section of the U.S. Attorneys Office for the District of Columbia.
Attachment(s):
Download Stephen Bannon Indictment.pdf
Component(s):
Office of the Attorney General
USAO - District of Columbia
Press Release Number:
21-1122
If you believe it, it must be true!
I'm afraid he has been "out of the news" for some time now.
Perhaps take a break?
Botany
(70,490 posts)Last edited Tue May 17, 2022, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Don't tease me. These un American mother fuckers need to be in prison.
Is this just more nipple circling or are they gonna stick it in?
Don't tease me. These un American mother fuckers need to be in prison. Trump called those thugs to D.C., helped pay for it, had a pre coup pep rally, sent the to the Capitol to fight for democracy, decapitated the D.C. National Guard, and refused to call it off when asked to.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests/trump-summoned-supporters-to-wild-protest-and-told-them-to-fight-they-did-idUSKBN29B24S
Trump summoned supporters to "wild" protest, and told them to fight. They did
Trump, who has refused to concede his loss to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, had urged his supporters multiple times to come to Washington for a rally on Wednesday, the day the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate were scheduled to certify the results of the Electoral College.
Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election, Trump, a Republican, tweeted on Dec. 20. Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Just seems like clickbait.
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)Just ask my ex.
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)JohnSJ
(92,138 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)(gonna be a long summer )
mcar
(42,302 posts)ificandream
(9,363 posts)It's clear the DOJ has a plan. They're not letting anyone in on it. Which I think is a good thing.
JohnSJ
(92,138 posts)Tactical Peek
(1,208 posts)Hugo Lowell
@hugolowell
New: Jan. 6 committee chair Bennie Thompson tells CBS that they wont turn over transcripts to DOJ right now: They made a request. We told them that as a committee, our work product was ours, and were not giving anyone access to the work product.
5:01 PM · May 17, 2022·Hootsuite Inc.
Link to tweet
Hugo Lowell
@hugolowell
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1h
Replying to
@hugolowell
Thompson on DOJ request: It came with no names attached to it or anything. Were still in the process of doing our work product. We cooperate all the time with agencies, people have come in and looked at information but weve not given access to the product.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)(given Congress has no "criminal" authority and would need DOJ to do that)
Link to tweet
@hugolowell
·
May 17, 2022
New: Jan. 6 committee chair Bennie Thompson tells CBS that they wont turn over transcripts to DOJ right now: They made a request. We told them that as a committee, our work product was ours, and were not giving anyone access to the work product.
Hugo Lowell
@hugolowell
Thompson on DOJ request: It came with no names attached to it or anything. Were still in the process of doing our work product. We cooperate all the time with agencies, people have come in and looked at information but weve not given access to the product.
6:03 PM · May 17, 2022
ancianita
(36,023 posts)time. But I don't see why the Jan 6 committee can't keep copies of everything they give the DOJ, anyway. Some of which will be used in the hearings, I'd presume.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)almost suggested possible "phishing".
I.e., based on what CBS reported as the remarks by Thompson indicating that the supposed "DOJ request" they had received "had no (requestor) names" or at least had no known-to-them/verified DOJ requestor info.
So will have to see where this goes!
ancianita
(36,023 posts)just the Jan 6 committee's general position. Seems as if the DOJ wants to enter into talks with Thompson.
I see why people are a bit skeptical, but this will go somewhere.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)I know DOJ recently hired (and wants to hire) a ton of people and I expect there is now a whole division (or at least some special investigatory group) who might have been assigned to interface with the Committee and the details (or even MOUs) might not have been worked out for that yet.
The request for additional personnel was part of the Justice Department's budget proposal unveiled Monday.
Kevin Johnson
USA TODAY
Published 3:32 p.m ET March 28, 2022 | Updated 3:43 p.m. ET March 28, 2022
The Justice Department is seeking 131 more attorneys to pursue prosecutions streaming from the sprawling investigation into the deadly Capitol attack, signaling no immediate end to one of the largest criminal inquiries in U.S. history. The request for additional personnel was part of Justice's $37.7 billion 2023 budget proposal unveiled Monday by Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco.
"Regardless of whatever resources we see or get, let's be very, very clear: we are going to hold those perpetrators accountable, no matter where the facts lead us ... no matter what level," Monaco said. More than 775 people have been charged so far in connection with the attack, though Justice has repeatedly declined to comment on whether the investigation includes the conduct of former President Donald Trump, his advisers or other members of the administration in inciting the assault or seeking to overturn the 2020 election.
A federal judge ruled Monday that it was likely that Trump likely corruptly attempted to obstruct Congress from certifying the 2020 election. The illegality of the plan was obvious, U.S. District Judge David Carter in California wrote in approving the transfer of Trump legal adviser John Eastmans emails to a special House committee investigating the attack.
Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021.The Jan. 6 committee has no criminal prosecution authority. It would be up to the Justice Department to bring such a criminal case.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/03/28/justice-department-prosecutors-jan-6-cases/7195328001/
ancianita
(36,023 posts)But the DOJ is "seeking". Let's hope it gets. It has a number of revenue streams, so who gets the budget proposal is unclear.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)(in the middle of a fiscal year) perhaps some $$$ can be tossed thir way. I know Biden has been trying to get some more funding for COVID support and the House recently approved additional money for Ukraine (needs Senate approval now). So perhaps this summer, some omnibus Supplemental can be created to take care of this and other odds and ends.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)I seriously doubt they'd let that pass. They'd more likely force the DOJ to bootstrap, because rethugs are so fiscally conservative.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)Someone would need to sneak it in there somewhere, although if something like a Supplemental Appropriation is hundreds of pages, it's not too difficult to slide a line item in (but some are hip to that).
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)They will not "go overt" in a complicated case until they are ready. Real world legal actions are not over in 60 minutes.
The wheels of justice move slowly but grind exceedingly fine.
pecosbob
(7,537 posts)I'm as patient as the next fellow but one who doubts the DOJ's ability or inclination to prosecute politically-connected wealthy white people.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Aides to Representative Bennie Thompson, Democrat of Mississippi and the chairman of the committee, have yet to reach a final agreement with the Justice Department on what will be turned over, according to a person with knowledge of the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the confidential nature of the investigations.
Give them whatever they want and more! NOW!!!
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)There isnt some ulterior motive with the DoJ. Are they trying to find out what the 1/6 Committee has so they can tell 1/6 Comm they cant pursue it any further, and that the DoJ must take over.
And then the DoJ just kills the whole thing.
Sorry, I am NOT casting aspersions on AG Garland. But, I am paranoid about cases being stifled, stymied and killed with no explanation
.. you know, like in the case of NY (Manhattan DA) vs Trump.
I understand that you shouldnt pursue charges if you cant win the case, but from the publics perspective it looks like no one is ever held accountable.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)that to me, seemed to literally simplify what is most likely going on here.
I.e., in just a few sentences, the reporter said -
1.) There are 2 separate investigations going on - one by DOJ and one by the January 6th Committee
2.) These "investigations" have been generally running parallel but have now started to "intersect".
And that was sortof was a lightbulb moment for me because this happens all the time.
For example, you may have a local PD with investigators who are tracking and gathering evidence about a local gang that is suspected to be trafficking guns and drugs. Meanwhile, ATF may have discovered a large syndicate that is operating both domestically and internationally that feeds the smaller localities and their operatives. These investigations are running parallel until at some point, someone makes the connection that they are related (i.e., the smaller organization that the local PD has been surveilling is actually dealing with that large syndicate ATF has their eyes on vs some other one) and at some point, they need to get together to work out how to share information. But that needs to be done in a manner that doesn't compromise either investigation.
I did find this ditty - https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-jan-committee-staff-clash-interview-us-attorney/story?id=84497482
So when you do have these "parallel" things going on, you often have disparate and/or some conflicting goals and desired outcomes.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I just hope this works out so that we see amplification of efforts instead of what many (including myself) are thinking: cancellation.
We shall see!
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)because what happened was totally unprecedented and didn't even happen in the run-up to the Civil War. So they are wading through uncharted waters and unknown territory trying to use "established" practices and procedures to guide them, with spotty success.
Whatever they do finally agree on for information-sharing and collaboration, will be a historic template for anything similar that might happen again in the future - just like we often see reference to Watergate as a "modern template" for Presidential impeachments (and we did end up with an unprecedented two of them against the same President), where the crimes committed during the post-2020 election, were many many times worse than that.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)Said it's an ongoing investigation.
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)complained about Garland/DoJ not moving or moving fast enough on investigating Jan 6th events.
Now that DoJ has revealed how much it has done already and asked for transcripts of completed interviews and future interviews, the J6 committee is balking with its first public statement being it's going to protect its "work product". Tone deaf doesn't begin to describe that statement. I understand that people working on a project become invested in the work, but this is not the time to let indivdual or collective egos get in the way of cooperation.
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)which I'm wondering is related to this most recent "dust up". I.e., you have one group who has a tight deadline to meet (politically) to wrap up their work, and present a final report, whereas the other group doesn't have that type of restriction outside of any statue of limitations that might apply.
So one has to cram in as much as they can in order to meet the time frame designated for a report and the other, who is used to working more slowly and "deliberately", is being pushed to speed it up yet also be thorough so all that work isn't mooted for being insufficient in a court.
It's a clash of styles and roles, where each is accustomed to their own ways of doing stuff, including the order/sequence of it.
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)which are common in the federal bureaucracy based on my experience as a federal civil servant.
I expect the J6 cmte and DoJ will reach an agreement pretty quickly. I just think the committee could've put out a statement that sounded less like a 3 yr old saying "it's mine and you can't have it".
BumRushDaShow
(128,858 posts)I think what ends happening is that it is a "battle of the lawyers" with each entity (whether the Congressional staff lawyers and even the Congress members themselves) and DOJ's lawyers regarding who has jurisdiction over what.
And agree that they'll work out something and it's possible that since there are probably different DOJ teams who have been part of looking at different aspects of what happened and who are probably reaching out for more info, one of those teams may have "jumped the gun" with a request and had not coordinated it through some point of contact that DOJ had designated for and was known about by the J6 Committee - this speculation coming from that CBS tweet that mentions a comment from Thompson along the lines of "there were 'no names attached'" to the request.
I know all the years I worked for the feds, whenever there was some high profile issue going on, some higher-up would issue a "memo" to affected staff to seek authorization from a designated point person and/or let that person know that a request for information had come in so that a proper response could be given (without passing on hearsay and/or incorrect info). That way they could track what info was being requested and control what responses were provided, in order to avoid potential future misunderstandings and messes.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)The Department of Justice has to turn over to the defense all material that may be exculpatory and so need these materials for discovery purposes
Link to tweet