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The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 04:44 AM Jan 2012

Cuban hunger striker Wilmar Villar dies in jail

A jailed Cuban political dissident has died, 50 days after beginning a hunger strike, a human rights group says.

Wilmar Villar was protesting against a four-year prison sentence for taking part in a demonstration.

The Cuban Human Rights and National Reconciliation Commission said the 31-year-old had died in hospital after being critically ill for several days.

The commission said the government bore full responsibility for what it called Mr Villar's "inevitable" death.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16644899

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Cuban hunger striker Wilmar Villar dies in jail (Original Post) The Northerner Jan 2012 OP
Each of us should bear the reponsibility for our own decisions. dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1
He died for a just cause - one day Cuba will be free. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #3
Do I take you've been there ? dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #4
Let me know when there is an Occupy Havana hack89 Jan 2012 #5
Things in Cuba are fine for those who aren't protesting it from Miami, etc., ... Nihil Jan 2012 #6
Four years in jail for "disrespecting authority" - you support this? OK.. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #8
It's a lighter sentence than Iraqis or Afghans got for "disrespecting authority" ... Nihil Jan 2012 #9
I'm bothered by any country holding political prisoners. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10
Apparently he's not the first to die from a hunger strike in Cuba. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #11
So universal human rights are not a progressive value. Got it. hack89 Jan 2012 #12
Don't pretend. Nihil Jan 2012 #13
So you support jailing political dissenters hack89 Jan 2012 #14
Cuba is already privitizing everything, it's going just like Russia. joshcryer Jan 2012 #30
This is why I worry about H20 Man lunatica Jan 2012 #2
I'm worried about him too. BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #7
Political dissident my foot dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #15
If you say so. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #16
Four years in jail for "disrespecting authority" - you support this? OK.. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #17
Four years was the sentence for dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #18
You believe the lies of a police state - I don't hack89 Jan 2012 #19
"...for crimes ronnie624 Jan 2012 #20
Every police state has a catchall "disrespecting authority" law hack89 Jan 2012 #21
I quoted from Granma - their state newspaper. dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #22
"...but the main issue here appears to be one of assault." ronnie624 Jan 2012 #23
Don't blame me if you can't dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #24
I would like to go but probably never will. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #25
"State Newspaper" = BS. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #26
Possibly. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #27
I didn't imply annything to the contrary. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #28
There's nothing precluding criminals from being dissidents. joshcryer Jan 2012 #29

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. Let me know when there is an Occupy Havana
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:38 AM
Jan 2012

Let me know when they have a free and open political system.

I am sure in Cuba things are fine for those that stay in line and don't rock the boat. When do you think there will a true opposition party in Cuba?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
6. Things in Cuba are fine for those who aren't protesting it from Miami, etc., ...
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:14 AM
Jan 2012

> When do you think there will a true opposition party in Cuba?

Probably before there'll be one in the USA.


 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
9. It's a lighter sentence than Iraqis or Afghans got for "disrespecting authority" ...
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jan 2012

... but that has never bothered you at all has it? Still, they weren't right-wingers having
a go at a regime that's been a pain in the arse by its very daring to exist.


> A jailed Cuban political dissident has died, 50 days after beginning a hunger strike,

50 days.

If someone is that dedicated to suicide and chooses a manner that does not harm
any innocent bystanders then all well & good.

He obviously got what he wanted - death & publicity - so everyone should be happy.



Do you really think I should be bothered by his death?

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
11. Apparently he's not the first to die from a hunger strike in Cuba.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jan 2012

"The Cuban government came under pressure after another hunger-striking dissident, Orlando Zapata Tamayo, died in February 2010."

Perhaps it isn't death nor publicity they sought so much as legitmate address to grievance ie: political freedom and reform.

Personally, I don't care whether an authoritarian dictatorship type government falls on the right or the left of the political spectrum, it's still a dictatorship and as such I am bothered.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. So universal human rights are not a progressive value. Got it.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 03:29 PM
Jan 2012

I can never get over the knee jerk support for police states here at DU just because their leaders say bad things about America. Why can't America and Cuba both be criticized?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
13. Don't pretend.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:40 AM
Jan 2012

> I can never get over the knee jerk support ...

Very rich coming from someone whose knee is permanently jerking on certain subjects.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. So you support jailing political dissenters
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jan 2012

so you have no problem with how cities are handling OWS? How is it different?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
30. Cuba is already privitizing everything, it's going just like Russia.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:40 AM
Jan 2012

They've already brought back the state sanctioned prostitution.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. This is why I worry about H20 Man
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:54 AM
Jan 2012

Unless the person who is going through the hunger strike attracts a high volume of popular support TPTB will just ignore that person. And it can't just be a bunch of well meaning people saying they support someone on DU. That's not real support. The public has to rally and put pressure on TPTB.

edited to change a word

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
15. Political dissident my foot
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jan 2012

OVER the last few days, the media and representatives of certain governments traditionally committed to anti-Cuba subversion have unleashed a new campaign of accusations, unscrupulously taking advantage of a lamentable event: the death of an ordinary prisoner, which possibly only in the case of Cuba, is converted into news of international repercussion.

The method utilized is the same one as always: fruitlessly attempting, through repetition, to demonize Cuba, in this case through the deliberate manipulation of an incident which is absolutely exceptional in this country.

This so-called political prisoner was serving a four-year sentence after a fair legal process during which he was at liberty and a trial in accordance with the law, for a brutal physical attack on his wife in public and violent resistance to arrest by police agents.

This man died from multi-organ failure due to an acute respiratory infection, despite having received appropriate medical attention, including specialized medication and treatment in the intensive care room of Santiago de Cuba’s principal hospital.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/cuba-i/23enero-Editorial.html

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
18. Four years was the sentence for
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jan 2012

a brutal physical attack on his wife in public and violent resistance to arrest by police agents. Got a problem with that ?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
20. "...for crimes
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jan 2012

including disrespecting authority and resisting arrest."

Crimes which the article does not elaborate upon. Maybe they were serious crimes, such as assault and battery. It would be interesting to hear his wife's side of the issue.

What is "disrespecting authority"? Is there really a law against that in the Cuban legal code? Since you're using the term, I assume you can cite the specific law in Cuba that forbids "disrespecting authority".

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. Every police state has a catchall "disrespecting authority" law
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

how do you think political dissidents end up in jail? You do believe that there are political prisoners in the world, don't you?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
22. I quoted from Granma - their state newspaper.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jan 2012

There are other links elsewhere even here on DU.

Yes - "disrespecting authority" as far as the police go may well be crime there but the main issue here appears to be one of assault. In there case the disrespect issue is more likely what you would call resistng arrest.

Cuba may not be perfect but they've got other stuff which can only wish for. Try not to judge without going there.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
23. "...but the main issue here appears to be one of assault."
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jan 2012

Yes, I believe that is what I said:

Crimes which the article does not elaborate upon. Maybe they were serious crimes, such as assault and battery. It would be interesting to hear his wife's side of the issue.

Try not to judge without going there?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
25. I would like to go but probably never will.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jan 2012

Even so, let me assure you, I am immune to the crude propaganda that vilifies the Cuban system. Social indicators say more to me than the mindless gabbling of Cuba 'critics'.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
27. Possibly.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:26 AM
Jan 2012

But probably no more so than corporate owned newspapers, especially when powerful Western governments like that of the U.S need to vilify another country.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
28. I didn't imply annything to the contrary.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:32 AM
Jan 2012

It's just that poster has a history of defending any horrible thing done by the PRC central government.

Also, authoritarian Marxist-Leninist types have a history of hating on traditional Tibetan culture as "fedual", as if that justified ethnic cleansing.

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