RNC urges GOP candidates to 'go on offense' on abortion in 2024

[brooklynite]

Source: Washington Post

After GOP underperformance in November’s midterm elections, the Republican National Committee is doubling down on its antiabortion stance, formally urging GOP lawmakers and campaigns to “go on offense in the 2024 election cycle” and to pass the strictest antiabortion legislation possible.

At its winter meeting, the RNC passed a resolution that called on Republicans to push “laws that acknowledge the beating hearts and experiences of pain in the unborn,” referring to “heartbeat” bans on abortions, which would outlaw the procedure after cardiac activity is detected, at about six weeks of pregnancy — before many people realize they are pregnant.

The resolution, which was passed Friday, alluded to Republicans’ disappointing performance in the November elections, months after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, but appeared to place the blame on GOP candidates who did not sufficiently publicize their antiabortion views.

The Supreme Court ruled in June 2022 that a constitutional right to abortion, which had been in place for nearly 50 years, no longer existed.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/30/republicans-abortion-elections/

[GreenWave]

1. Yes! Placate your Christo fascists.

Watch as women kick your incel inspired asses from one side of infinity to the other in 2024.

[Justice matters.]

9. And men supporters to hold their beer while they'll execute their rights.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Going on the offense against the majority of the country.

That's a republican plan right there. What assholes.

[SouthernDem4ever]

3. Good Plan!

Maybe voters will completely decimate your numbers in congress in 2024.

[ms liberty]

4. Please proceed, GQP'ers! n/t

[machoneman]

15. Yes, please proceed is right. Love the idea. It'll sink even more R candidates by pissing off...

not only us but Independents, many undecided, the youth vote and more. How wonderfully stupid to benefit Democratic candidates. Woo-hoo!

[raging moderate]

5. But scientists disproved that 6-week "heartbeat" belief, didn't they?

Last edited Thu Feb 2, 2023, 04:19 PM - Edit history (4)

I read that scientists had discovered that the sound detected at the so-called "6-week" point of a pregnancy was not really a heartbeat in the embryo. Couldn't we use that simple fact to keep them from prosecuting women for aborting so-called "6-week" pregnancies? Especially since we know that the pregnancy does not really begin on the first day of the latest menstruation. If the prosecutor accuses a woman of aborting a baby with a heartbeat, and we can prove that there was no real heartbeat, then ipso facto that woman did not abort a baby with a heartbeat, right? If there is no heart yet, then there is no heartbeat yet. So we could help some women, couldn't we? And there surely must be other scientific facts that contradict the RNC resolution above. Pain begins when the nervous system grows pain receptors, not before. We know that when an injury cuts pain receptors, these pain receptors no longer transmit pain, and when an injury cuts feeling receptors, these feeling receptors no longer transmit feeling. If there is no real nervous system, then there cannot be any pain, or any feeling, right? Furthermore, the phrase "six weeks of pregnancy" actually refers to a time six weeks after the first day of the woman's last menstrual period, and we know for sure that pregnancy occurs well AFTER that day, maybe two - three weeks later, after the next ovulation. I think we should start using their deliberate ignorance against them.

[NullTuples]

22. Don't you know? Science is a tool of the Devil...

Seriously, once a cult gets going a key tenet is that to belong to the subculture members must overtly show that they choose the stated positions (beliefs) of the cult over objective reality. It's like a performative oath of loyalty. So, science is irrelevant. There is more than sufficient evidence to prove GOP positions are irrational and objectively wrong on any of their dog-whistle topics. Racism, sexism, ableism, and so on...they've long since crossed the line where good faith logical arguments apply.

[hvn_nbr_2]

28. re: "heartbeats"

My understanding is a bit different from yours, but we're in the same direction. Maybe more knowledgeable people will chip in.

I don't think they hear a sound when they detect the "heartbeat." What they are calling a heartbeat is really just a couple cells emitting an electrical signal that they detect.

The normal meaning of "heartbeat" is that an organ, the heart, uses its muscles to move blood through chambers of the organ bringing blood into the organ from a vein and pumping it, via muscular contractions, out into an artery.

In contrast, at six weeks, a fetus is just a blob of mostly-undifferentiated cells. There are no organ, no heart, no chambers, no muscles, no muscular contractions, no veins, no arteries, no blood.

Calling these laws "heartbeat" laws is just a brazen lie.

[raging moderate]

29. Yes, that is what I meant. What they call a heartbeat is not a real heartbeat.

Six weeks after the first day of the mother's previous menstruation, there is no heart, there is no brain, there is no nervous system capable of feeling pain, and the embryo has not been developing for six weeks (ovulation precedes conception by maybe two weeks, right?). And I believe I also have read about that electrical signal you mentioned. So why do we let the right wing get away with this nonsense? And yes, it would be good if more knowledgeable people would chip in some of their scientific and technical knowledge.

And couldn't scientific proof against their lies and delusions be used by lawyers in a court of law to keep people going to jail for seeking or providing necessary medical care?

[EarthFirst]

6. Is that a coded message for encouraging violence among their constituents

Pretty sure this is the direction they’re headed.

[JohnSJ]

7. What did those self-identified progressives think would happen in 2016 if they didn't vote for the

Democratic nominee in the general election by voting third party or not voting?

The lesson should have been learned in 2000.

Hopefully, the message is now clear what will happen.

I only hope it isn't too late

[Elessar Zappa]

10. Seems like they learned their lesson.

In 2020 most of those types did end up voting for Biden, unlike 2016 when they wouldn’t support Hillary.

[JohnSJ]

16. Mostly yes. Problem I have, and this has nothing to do with left, middle, or right, is that

a 50-60% turnout is not enough. We need at least a 75% turnout.

If that happened, I do not believe we would have the narrow margins that we have been having recently.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/01/turnout-in-u-s-has-soared-in-recent-elections-but-by-some-measures-still-trails-that-of-many-other-countries/

[NullTuples]

23. And each time the GOP gets control over anything election related, we need even more...

[JohnSJ]

30. Yes

[NullTuples]

31. Voter suppression is something we can do something about?

[JohnSJ]

32. We come out in huge numbers

[NullTuples]

33. That's accepting the suppression efforts and trying to work with them

[Hekate]

36. That's not "acceptance," it's doing what *can* be done *in the Now*

[ck4829]

8. Fun fact: It won't be Republican candidates knocking down doors of women and doctors

if abortion is banned in the middle of the night.

[Freddie]

11. Heavily publicize every single atrocity

Women who can’t get proper miscarriage care, forced to carry doomed fetuses, etc. The so-called “pro lifers” didn’t really think these things wouldn’t happen? Or even worse, think these things are A-Ok in the name of “saving the babies”??

[NullTuples]

24. It's a great idea, and it would likely work...now convince corporate media it'll make them money

[tornado34jh]

12. How about we do the reverse?

The anti-abortion groups are saying we are killing babies and all that and they want to charge the mother with murder. Okay, how about this? If an ectopic pregnancy occurs and they don't do anything to stop it because they think it would "kill the baby" because of their stupid religion and it ruptures and leads to a mother dying from blood loss, how about we charge those anti-abortion groups with murder? Two can play that game, and I don't want to hear those bastards scream "persecution", because it is not. There is a big difference between actual persecution and the false, "mythological" persecution they like to scream about. If I doctor decides to do the abortion because it could lead to life-threatening complications if they do not, I will support that. Besides, when did these people become doctors? Last I checked, they are not. If this happened to anyone else, depending on the situation, could this lead to medical malpractice? As it is, doctors probably get more lawsuits than most other professions. I wonder if someone would have the guts to publicly say, "Okay, you say doing abortions is murder and killing babies and we will charge you for it, okay well we can then charge you the same thing for killing mothers from ectopic pregnancies because of your stupid beliefs." Not that this would change their mind, but I wonder what would happen if they did do that.

[RainCaster]

13. Yes! Show us your real color- yellow

The far right bastards want to control women out of fear.

That is all it's about.

Fear.

Fear of women gaining power. Keep them in their place.

So let the Red bastards show us their real color- piss yellow. Let them remind every voter of what the GOP stands for.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

[Zambero]

14. Nothing succeeds like being offensive

Indeed, so proceed!

[republianmushroom]

18. republican do it if you dare.

[Wild blueberry]

19. GQP is certainly offensive

Religious tyranny, go fuck yourself!

[SWBTATTReg]

20. Idiots. I guess that they didn't figure out what happened in KS re. rights?

Kansas Supreme Court Rules State Constitution Protects Right To Abortion...

And despite this ruling, the repugs are still at it, still trying to subvert the will of KS voters.

[LenaBaby61]

25. Look at what happened in deep red Kentucky.

Kentucky voters reject constitutional amendment on abortion.

Politics Nov 9, 2022 9:13 AM EST

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Kentucky voters rejected a ballot measure aimed at denying any constitutional protections for abortion, handing a victory to abortion-rights supporters who have seen access to the procedure eroded by Republican lawmakers in the deeply red state.

The outcome of the election that concluded Tuesday highlighted what appeared to be a gap between voter sentiment and the expectations of Kentucky’s GOP-dominated legislature, which imposed a near-total ban on abortions and put the proposed constitutional amendment on the ballot.

While a significant moral victory for abortion-rights advocates, the amendment’s defeat will have no practical impact on the right to an abortion if a sweeping ban on the procedure approved by lawmakers survives a legal challenge presently before the state Supreme Court.

Still, the amendment’s rejection leaves open the possibility that abortion could be declared a state right by the court.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/kentucky-voters-reject-constitutional-amendment-on-abortion


I'm fucking past tired of these woman-hating/and wanting to FORCE a little girl to have her own father's rape baby, hypocrites. The minute that fetus turns into a child the GQP US Taliban party doesn't give a shit about that child and not about the Mother.

You best believe that if a reich-winged male in the Congress impregnated his mistress, side-piece, wife, he'd be on the first thing smoking to get rid of his so-called 'precious fetus.' No-neck, GQP'er and self-described 'christian' who sometimes doesn't pay his child support Jason Miller, who tried to make his christian side-piece AJ Delgado miscarry by allegedly giving her an abortion smoothie. Miller's married yet a devout 'christian' and Del Gado was a self-described christian. I'm sick of these reich-winged self-described, christian hypocrites

Yeah, and when they get caught, say that they deserve privacy during this time, or that they 'prayed' about it with God and that God forgave THEM (for murdering a precious fetus).

Dems REALLY have to stay hammering these fetus loving yet murdering assholes. Stay connected with the youth voters, because without them Dems might have lost the Senate and right along with it, what little democracy we have left.

[NullTuples]

26. They've subverted the will of voters in other states & came out okay so what do they have to lose?

Our systems don't really have any way of handling it other than lawsuits - which are countered by Republicans throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, as well as delays & judicial packing thanks to gerrymandering - and getting voted out of office. They've manipulated the later as well, so it's not that much of a thread. Plus, when they subvert the will of their own base they just toss a little red meat to them & flash some bright shiny objects. Works pretty good enough of the time to keep fine tuning the whole system.

[Hekate]

37. See, since voters reject these proposed laws at the ballot, clearly legislators must do it for them

Silly voters.

[lark]

21. Fuck Repugs and their women hurting/killing laws.

I hate them!!!

[elleng]

27. They're already pretty g'damned offensive.

[Martin68]

34. I totally support that suggestion.

The harder the GOP pushes back on women's rights and the right to quality health care, the harder they will fall. The more strongly they believe they lose elections because they "just weren't conservative enough," the more elections they will lose.

[jmowreader]

35. Oh my...

I can just imagine the scene at RNC Headquarters:

“The Red Wave was just a mild washing of water over the beachgoers’ feet in November.”
‘Yes, we know.”
“The biggest problem was the Dobbs decision.”
‘Yes, we know.’
“It seems the voters don’t want to lose the right to abortion.”
‘Yes, we know.’
“Then what should we do for 2024?”
‘Double down on abortion. It’s obvious to everyone here we only lose elections when we don’t go far enough to the right.’

In 2025…

“The Democrats now have a 75-seat majority in the House, a filibuster-proof Senate and Biden got his second term. For fuck’s sake Reince, even Idaho sent a Democrat to Congress. What do we do now?”
‘Write an ex post facto law mandating guillotine executions for anyone who ever had an abortion.’
“Don’t you think that’s a little fucked up? Not only is it unconstitutional, we just got reamed at the polls over this issue.”
‘That’s because we were too far to the left on this issue.’

In 2027…

“There’s not one single Republican left in Congress. The country is currently 95 percent D, and they’re currently working on a bill that allows the people to buy 500-pound bombs and have the Air Force drop them on Republican headquarters, gun stores and hard-right churches. What the hell do we do now?”
‘Promise the American people if we ever get back in power we’re gonna ban abortion for sure. After all, we need to go to the right on this. It’s the only sensible thing to do.’

[Hekate]

38. I have one urgent question for the RNC: why isn't Ronna Romney home taking care of her 12 kids?

Why doesn’t she have 12 kids? What kind of birth control has that naughty woman been using?

What? You say it’s none of my damn business? —— My point exactly.

[Vinca]

39. Works for me. Try running on something 70% of voters are against.

[Marthe48]

40. This link shows pictures of aborted tissue at 9 weeks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue

I'm not a scientist, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express, but I highly doubt anything that looks like that would have a heartbeat or feel pain.

The r's want everyone to envision a teeny homunculus, but their ignorant view of development in the womb harks back to The Dark Ages. Based on these pictures, the next r bans will be throat clearing and noseblowing. Give me a break.

[Marthe48]

41. Probably testing efficiency of gerrymandering

If r's can win when 70-90% of all Americans are against their demented policies, they'll know their crooked gerrymandered districts are a success. R's can't win without lying, cheating and moving the goal posts.