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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,900 posts)
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:04 PM Mar 2023

House Republicans rebuke Bragg's 'unavailing' refusal to provide testimony on Trump probe

Source: The Hill

House Republican leaders on Saturday rebuked Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s (D) refusal to testify about his investigation into former President Trump’s role in a 2016 hush money payment.

The letter — from House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), House Administration Committee Chair Bryan Steil (R-Wis.) and House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) — comes in response to Bragg’s accusation on Thursday that their request was an “unlawful incursion” on his investigation.

“Your conclusory claim that our constitutional oversight responsibilities will interfere with law enforcement is misplaced and unconvincing,” the trio of Republican lawmakers said in their eight-page letter.

“As a threshold matter, whether your office is, in fact, fairly enforcing the law or abusing prosecutorial discretion to engage in a politically motivated indictment of a former President is a serious matter that … implicates significant federal interests,” the group added.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-republicans-rebuke-bragg-unavailing-213851842.html



It's unconvincing because they're fucking idiots.
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House Republicans rebuke Bragg's 'unavailing' refusal to provide testimony on Trump probe (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 OP
Blow it out your ass Mr. Putin. oasis Mar 2023 #1
fuck 'em... bahboo Mar 2023 #2
Republicans are criminals. Rizen Mar 2023 #3
I thought these jerks were for "states rights'....... turbinetree Mar 2023 #4
What they can do... SpamWyzer Mar 2023 #5
They have -nothing- to investigate, yet they still complain. Shipwack Mar 2023 #17
3 equal branches of our government. multigraincracker Mar 2023 #18
Go Pound Sand VeryProgressive Mar 2023 #6
More proof that lawyers with integrity BOSSHOG Mar 2023 #7
Only One Of Those 3 Has A Law Degree... GB_RN Mar 2023 #20
But...but...but...he took his jacket off & everything...(NT) HuskyOffset Mar 2023 #21
Yeah... GB_RN Mar 2023 #23
Totally political and everyone knows it bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #8
Keep it up assholes, hope to see you all charged with obstruction. Bev54 Mar 2023 #9
I Would Love To See That... GB_RN Mar 2023 #22
The authority for examining state investigations is held by the state supreme court and Ford_Prefect Mar 2023 #10
Can't wait for Jordan to subpeona him. WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2023 #11
GOP Hypocrisy has no limits SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #16
Great point, Winston. Mc Mike Mar 2023 #30
It's an active DownriverDem Mar 2023 #12
Not relevant apparently MichMan Mar 2023 #37
Futile attempt to preserve their nonexistent dignity! 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2023 #13
It's becoming obvious that these folks are really not that bright ashredux Mar 2023 #14
And it wasn't political when they are doing the same with Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden? tornado34jh Mar 2023 #15
He doesn't answer to you motherfuckers. Novara Mar 2023 #19
He should agree. Get a date and time. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #24
Dolts! Marthe48 Mar 2023 #25
Or smart. twodogsbarking Mar 2023 #28
'conclusory'. Had to look that one up. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #26
when they explain why azureblue Mar 2023 #27
Well, Bragg is right, that they have no authority interfering w/ an ongoing investigation, SWBTATTReg Mar 2023 #29
How did the last congress have the authority to investigate January 6, then ? MichMan Mar 2023 #38
Fuck off, Repukes. paleotn Mar 2023 #31
Gym jim go suck up to trump some more. republianmushroom Mar 2023 #32
Didn't Gym Jordan have an issue about testifying? keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #33
This is a political hit job by the MAGAs and that's about it. Initech Mar 2023 #34
Suck it up, Trumpists! You can whine all you want, the law is on Bragg's side. Unlike all the Martin68 Mar 2023 #35
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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
4. I thought these jerks were for "states rights'.......
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:20 PM
Mar 2023

....fucking idiots....maybe these jerks should bring in Stephanie Gregory Clifford.....

 

SpamWyzer

(385 posts)
5. What they can do...
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:24 PM
Mar 2023

What, Exactly, Does Congress Have the Authority To Investigate?

Simply put, almost anything. Although the Constitution does not expressly authorize Congress to conduct investigations, Congress – and the courts – have long recognized that Congress has an inherent, constitutional prerogative to conduct investigations. In fact, the first congressional investigation occurred as early as 1792, when the House of Representatives convened a committee to investigate the defeat of General Arthur St. Clair in the Battle of the Wabash in what was then known as the Northwest Territory (and now known as Ohio).

Congress has the authority to conduct investigations “in aid of its legislative function.” That authority can extend to investigations for the purpose of deciding whether legislation is appropriate, to information gathering on matters of national importance, to oversight of federal departments and executive agencies. As a result, a congressional committee has broad discretion regarding both the scope of its investigation and the relevance of the information it requests.

Although congressional authority to investigate is broad, it is not unlimited. Because Congress’s authority to investigate is tied to its authority to legislate, limits on congressional investigations are necessarily linked to the limits on Congress’s constitutional authority. For example, Congress has no general authority to investigate the purely private affair of an ordinary citizen.

The doctrine of separation of powers also places limits on congressional authority to investigate. Congress cannot, under the guise of an investigation, usurp the power of another branch of government. It cannot investigate matters where the means of redress is purely judicial. Nor can Congress investigate matters committed to the President’s discretion. For example, Congress could not undertake an investigation to determine an individual’s entitlement to a pardon because the Constitution granted the pardon power to the President, not Congress.

While Congress can investigate conduct that may be criminal, Congress itself lacks the authority to bring criminal charges or otherwise initiate a criminal prosecution. If a congressional investigation uncovers evidence of criminal activity, however, Congress may refer the matter to the Department of Justice for investigation and, potentially, prosecution. Sometimes, the DOJ investigation predates the congressional investigation. No matter which branch of government moves first to investigate, however, the end result is that a congressional investigation often will run parallel to a criminal investigation. As a result, evidence developed in a congressional investigation might be used by the DOJ in its criminal investigation or in a prosecution.

Shipwack

(2,161 posts)
17. They have -nothing- to investigate, yet they still complain.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 01:51 AM
Mar 2023

They complain that his charges are overbroad and are politically motivated when no indictments have been made.

They have shown their bias and lack of seriousness. They should be ignored until the adults have finished their work.

VeryProgressive

(26 posts)
6. Go Pound Sand
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:26 PM
Mar 2023

“Your conclusory claim that our constitutional oversight responsibilities will interfere with law enforcement is misplaced and unconvincing,”
He should respond that I am not trying to convince you. This isn't an argument. Obviously, you idiots can't understand plain English.

As a threshold matter, whether your office is, in fact, fairly enforcing the law or abusing prosecutorial discretion to engage in a politically motivated indictment of a former President is a serious matter that … implicates significant federal interests,”

It would be serious matter, if true, but ultimately the decision of whether Trump has received a fair hearing is determined by the courts, not by political hacks. That's why there are appeals courts. So, once again, fuck off and pound sand.

BOSSHOG

(37,043 posts)
7. More proof that lawyers with integrity
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:39 PM
Mar 2023

DO NOT WORK FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! I think we have enough proof of that. But ole gymbo and his posse are still humping for trump, or as Stormy likes to call him, TINY.

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
20. Only One Of Those 3 Has A Law Degree...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:32 AM
Mar 2023

And believe it or not, that’s Gym Jordan. However, he failed to take (or failed) the Bar Exam, so he’s not a lawyer. Further, he didn’t go to a top tier law school. Add in the fact that he probably suffered more than a few blows to the head during his wrestling career. What do you get? Certainly no one that I’d trust to interpret a parking ticket, much less constitutional law.

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
22. I Would Love To See That...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:38 AM
Mar 2023

But unlikely to happen. The Speech-Debate Clause would cover their asses on this one.

At worst, they issue a subpoena, Bragg refuses, it goes to court and by the time it’s over (years and appeals later), tRump’s case has already been dealt with, which would render the subpoena moot. And that assumes that Jacketoff Gym Jordan (R-Molester Protector) is still chair of the committee.

Ford_Prefect

(7,882 posts)
10. The authority for examining state investigations is held by the state supreme court and
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 10:14 PM
Mar 2023

The AG for that state. The US Congress has NO right of interference in an ongoing state investigation.

If there is a specific charge made of incorrect prosecution, and the state does not respond, then Congress may have cause to investigate. They have no right of prior restraint, and lacking evidence of a crime they have no cause to look for one. No more than the DOJ may do.

IMO the idiots who are bloviating over this have no clue how an investigation, a grand jury, or a state level prosecution operates. They presume to pursue an alleged wrong-doing when the have no evidence, and no standing to bring suit against the prosecutor.

This is straight up intimidation with no purpose except to delay.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
11. Can't wait for Jordan to subpeona him.
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 10:22 PM
Mar 2023

Gonna love to see his reaction when he's told to go pound sand and Ted Lieu, along with every Democratic member of the House, reminds him (again) that he blew the J6 committee subpeona off.

MichMan

(11,908 posts)
37. Not relevant apparently
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:28 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

The January 6th investigation was ongoing when that was investigated by Congress.

Novara

(5,840 posts)
19. He doesn't answer to you motherfuckers.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:07 AM
Mar 2023

You all need to read the fucking Constitution and what it says you actually have jurisdiction over. Hint: it ain't the Manhattan DA.

Oh, and pay close attention to the 10th Amendment, motherfuckers.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
27. when they explain why
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:41 AM
Mar 2023

they refused to show up when subpoenaed, then maybe we will listen to them. Hey Jim, you refused a subpoena, so sit down and shut up.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
29. Well, Bragg is right, that they have no authority interfering w/ an ongoing investigation,
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:33 AM
Mar 2023

plus, if he wants to be snippy w/ the house repug leaders, he can tie everything to everything trump does, if trump files a lawsuit, then he files a lawsuit, if trump does action A, then Bragg does action A too. Tit for tat, I'd say. I'd think that this would upset the repug house members, but who cares?

MichMan

(11,908 posts)
38. How did the last congress have the authority to investigate January 6, then ?
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:48 PM
Mar 2023

That investigation was ongoing by the DOJ.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
31. Fuck off, Repukes.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:08 AM
Mar 2023

When they have the power to actually enforce their bullshit, that's when Bragg will comply. Currently, they're impotent.

Initech

(100,062 posts)
34. This is a political hit job by the MAGAs and that's about it.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 03:01 PM
Mar 2023

No answer he gives will be satisfactory to them. The MAGAs are totally psychotic and out of control.

Martin68

(22,791 posts)
35. Suck it up, Trumpists! You can whine all you want, the law is on Bragg's side. Unlike all the
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 05:34 PM
Mar 2023

Trump aides, etc who refused to testify, went to court to overturn subpoenas, and still had to testify because the law is not on their side.

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