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denem

(11,045 posts)
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:49 PM Jan 2012

Phony e-mails say Gingrich forced abortion on ex-wife

January 20, 2012
CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57363111-503544/phony-e-mails-say-gingrich-forced-abortion-on-ex-wife/

Newt Gingrich's campaign says a press release that appears to come the his campaign "regarding reports that he forced ex-wife Marianne Gingrich to terminate a pregnancy" is a fake.

The fake press release, which you can see above, came from an email address in which the "1" in 2012 is replaced by what appears to be a lower-case "L." A search of an online web registry shows that someone registered "newt20l2.org" (with the lowercase L) today. Their name was withheld.

The fake release, in which Gingrich is quoted as saying "I have made mistakes in my life. This was one of them," comes on the heels of a fake CNN Breaking News alert sent overnight to Republicans in South Carolina, which holds its primary tomorrow. The false email claimed that "[a] source close to Marianne Gingrich tells CNN that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich forced her to abort a pregnancy conceived during the affair that preceeded her marriage to Gingrich."

Marianne Gingrich, the former House Speaker's second wife, told ABC News and the Washington Post this week that Gingrich asked her to participate in an "open marriage." She did not allege that Gingrich forced her to abort a pregnancy.



Note to Newt: Ask John McCain about the 2000 SC Primary.
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Phony e-mails say Gingrich forced abortion on ex-wife (Original Post) denem Jan 2012 OP
gee, newtie, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of your kinds of dirty tricks? niyad Jan 2012 #1
Had that same thought, may be a sympathy ploy. -nt Zenlitened Jan 2012 #5
Yep. Rove strikes again! The Wielding Truth Jan 2012 #39
I believe the Newt camp did this themselves. nanabugg Jan 2012 #55
I might agree if the subject was anything other than abortion. Any connection, even if proven rhett o rick Jan 2012 #10
It seems a little ham-handed for Rove. I'm thinking Romney team. yardwork Jan 2012 #13
I guess I dont understand your use fo "ham-handed". Seems like a typical Rovian dirty trick. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #14
I meant that it's not a very well-executed dirty trick. It fell flat. yardwork Jan 2012 #15
I think that any connection of The Newt and abortion will hurt him with his base, whether true or rhett o rick Jan 2012 #17
It's possible. I'm just happy that they're still shooting one another in the feet. Hope it continues yardwork Jan 2012 #21
Maybe it's an inoculation. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #22
If there's any truth to it, then Rove would innoculate against it by leaking a similar lie. yardwork Jan 2012 #25
I was thinking he may have been caught off guard by her revelation of the "open marriage" proposal. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #33
Don't worry about Santorum. He's not going to get the nomination. Even PA loathes him. yardwork Jan 2012 #43
It's a Santorum innoculation. boppers Jan 2012 #38
Thom Hartmann was saying on his radio show that maybe after the repukes get rhett o rick Jan 2012 #28
Dunno. It's January ... most of the public isn't even thinking about the election yet. SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2012 #29
I was in a library today and I heard a couple of retirees discussing Romney's Cayman Islands account bklyncowgirl Jan 2012 #41
Rove is for Romney so it's one and the same wordpix Jan 2012 #30
Romney's the one with the "abortion problem." After all, he was against it before he was for it, MADem Jan 2012 #50
Rove has done this kind of thing. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #18
+1 treestar Jan 2012 #47
Because he had syphilis? That would explain alot! n/t brewens Jan 2012 #2
not to mention Newt's black baby n/t denem Jan 2012 #3
Love it! yardwork Jan 2012 #26
Plots within plots? Perhaps Newt's own team sent it... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #4
Newt is more cynical than Karl? denem Jan 2012 #6
Newt pushed the Language Control and Rove Pushed the Smear Control DIY Overseas Jan 2012 #49
Newt would have to be a sociopath to plan that JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #31
I wuz about to say... !! Zenlitened Jan 2012 #40
I never thought this day would come... POPCORN PLEASE!!! Justice wanted Jan 2012 #7
Even though I cant stand Gringrich this stuff is sick. DCBob Jan 2012 #8
Do you know or sure emilyg Jan 2012 #34
Probably 99% sure. DCBob Jan 2012 #42
This shit is standard ops for some Bob Jones profs and RW activists with longtime ties to BushInc. blm Jan 2012 #9
It's no secret that Karl Rove's masters dont like The Newt. This smells of the Karl. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #11
"Make the bastard deny it!" -LBJ fantomas Jan 2012 #12
That reminds me of a retort in a star trek movie JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #32
That poor, mythical pig! nt MADem Jan 2012 #51
This is why I love DU!! You people beat me to two punch lines!! Loudmxr Jan 2012 #16
Yup. You gotta be quick. Unlike the Freepers, where if you were quick brewens Jan 2012 #27
How delicious is it to watch the party of Rove and Atwater sufrommich Jan 2012 #19
Shades of CREEP---this time in the GOP primary. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #20
If it was a non-Republican trying to smear Newt... Kalidurga Jan 2012 #35
Newt's team must have done it cosmicone Jan 2012 #23
Entirely possible. We are, after all, dealing with people... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #45
The scum attacking the scum liberal N proud Jan 2012 #24
Looks like something the brilliant Ron Paul fanboys would dream up Major Nikon Jan 2012 #36
False-flag operation... jmowreader Jan 2012 #37
Ok so the emails are fake, but what about the story itself? Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #44
Please, God, if you make Newt Obama's oppo, I might just start believing in you again ... n/t the_chinuk Jan 2012 #46
Does Newt need more personal dirt to sink him? No. But if this story was false, it HELPS him: yurbud Jan 2012 #48
That would make me think that he asked his first wife, or some odd girlfriend, to have one. nt MADem Jan 2012 #52
Like W saying he hadn't used drugs since 1973 yurbud Jan 2012 #53
Yep! nt MADem Jan 2012 #54

niyad

(113,259 posts)
1. gee, newtie, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of your kinds of dirty tricks?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jan 2012

you know, I wouldn't put it past him to have actually done this himself to garner sympathy as the poor, abused, maligned upstanding person he is.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
55. I believe the Newt camp did this themselves.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jan 2012

They know full well how the dingbats think in SC. Only they would be able to think up such trash.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. I might agree if the subject was anything other than abortion. Any connection, even if proven
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jan 2012

false, will not set well with his base. This has KKKarl Rove written all over it.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
15. I meant that it's not a very well-executed dirty trick. It fell flat.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jan 2012

Rove's dirty tricks are usually managed a little better than this. This one has no legs. It's obviously a dirty trick. It won't change anybody's mind. If anything it might raise some sympathy for Newt.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. I think that any connection of The Newt and abortion will hurt him with his base, whether true or
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jan 2012

not. Just my opinion.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
21. It's possible. I'm just happy that they're still shooting one another in the feet. Hope it continues
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:01 PM
Jan 2012

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
25. If there's any truth to it, then Rove would innoculate against it by leaking a similar lie.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:07 PM
Jan 2012

I take it that's what you meant?

Either way, I don't believe that Newt will be damaged by his infidelities. Republicans don't care. They will vote for anybody who feeds their greed.

 

a simple pattern

(608 posts)
33. I was thinking he may have been caught off guard by her revelation of the "open marriage" proposal.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:11 AM
Jan 2012

If the abortion story is true, he would want to get ahead of it/cast doubts about the validity.

I think some of the Republican base will be lost whatever candidate they go with... if their jobs have been offshored, they're not going to vote for Romney; if they are Evangelicals, they won't come out for mean old cheating Newt; I guess the only one they would all come out for is Santorum, he's so corrupt that the money interests will know he's their guy and so sanctimoniously evil that

OK I scared myself and I'm going to stop now

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. Thom Hartmann was saying on his radio show that maybe after the repukes get
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jan 2012

done hammering each other, the public will be sick of it and when it comes time for the general, the public will no longer be interested in how much money Money-Bags has off-shore. Is that the type of inoculation you are referring to?

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
29. Dunno. It's January ... most of the public isn't even thinking about the election yet.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:17 AM
Jan 2012

We - plus the media (news and advertising) and those who live in the early caucus and primary states - are the minority. IMO, most people don't start paying real attention until August. I've heard more than one national-level politician say the same.

That said, my first thought was Newt did this in order to soundly deny it and get his name in the news cycle in SC one more time before the primary.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
41. I was in a library today and I heard a couple of retirees discussing Romney's Cayman Islands account
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:57 AM
Jan 2012

They seemed to be knowledgable--perhaps retired Wall Street types. By the way, they thought he was hiding something.

My thought is that was some other GOP type trying to get rid of two time bomb candidates--Could it be Rove?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. Rove is for Romney so it's one and the same
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:23 AM
Jan 2012
Personally, I'm loving the rats fighting and maiming each other

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. Romney's the one with the "abortion problem." After all, he was against it before he was for it,
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jan 2012

and that was before he decided he was against it again.

For that reason, I think your thesis has merit!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Rove has done this kind of thing.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jan 2012

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out they did it themselves.

Zenlitened

(9,488 posts)
4. Plots within plots? Perhaps Newt's own team sent it...
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jan 2012

...hoping to place doubts on all the rotten things he really has done?

I dunno.

But if anyone is capable of that level (depth?) of cynicism, I'm sure Gingrich is.

And anyone who supports him is, pretty much by definition, morally or ethically deficient as well.

So...

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
6. Newt is more cynical than Karl?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jan 2012

I don't buy it. Karl's won every gold platinum and diamond medals out there for muck.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
49. Newt pushed the Language Control and Rove Pushed the Smear Control DIY
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jan 2012

Put out some fakes to disguise the truth and make all moral challenges repugnant.

And I thought they were chums.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. Even though I cant stand Gringrich this stuff is sick.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jan 2012

Remarkable some Republicans are willing to stoop to such levels just to win an election. This is the kind of stuff we may have to deal with in the general.

blm

(113,043 posts)
9. This shit is standard ops for some Bob Jones profs and RW activists with longtime ties to BushInc.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jan 2012

They will say ANYTHING, they have no bounds and have the network to pull it off. They started the whole chain FAX bullshit that evolved into chain emails. Alot of those fictitious emails we've seen over the last 15 years, usually with a military name attached originated with this pack of crazy BobJonesers who think their lies are allowed because they do it for their 'religious' goals.

fantomas

(94 posts)
12. "Make the bastard deny it!" -LBJ
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:42 PM
Jan 2012

--From Hunter S. Thompson's probably apocryphal story of LBJ's first run for Congress. LBJ supposedly called a news conference to accuse his opponent of having carnal relations with farm animals.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
32. That reminds me of a retort in a star trek movie
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:53 AM
Jan 2012

"Well, not JUST farm animals"

dumb movie, but a funny line.

Loudmxr

(1,405 posts)
16. This is why I love DU!! You people beat me to two punch lines!!
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jan 2012

I came in late.

Just reading the headline I thought two things.

It has Karl Rove all over it.

Marianne had to abort the baby because it was black.

to you my witty friends.

brewens

(13,573 posts)
27. Yup. You gotta be quick. Unlike the Freepers, where if you were quick
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jan 2012

witted, it would just go over their heads anyway, so why bother. You don't type up something funny there and find someone beat you to the punch.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. How delicious is it to watch the party of Rove and Atwater
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jan 2012

attack one of it's own? I have never enjoyed a primary battle more than this,outstanding.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
20. Shades of CREEP---this time in the GOP primary.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:58 PM
Jan 2012

The obvious suspect is a Romney supporter, but do not rule out the possibility that this is a non Republican trying to smear both Newt and Mittens.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
35. If it was a non-Republican trying to smear Newt...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jan 2012

they would say that he was helping out at a soup kitchen or he gave some money to a poor black family to help them out while they were going to college or something.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
23. Newt's team must have done it
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:22 PM
Jan 2012

By releasing something outrageous and denying it, they can make it appear that everything Marianne Gingrich told is suspect and it neutralizes her somewhat.

Zenlitened

(9,488 posts)
45. Entirely possible. We are, after all, dealing with people...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:31 AM
Jan 2012

... who truly are morally grotesque.

Sick in ways and to depths that would shock ordinary, decent people if they took the opportunity to really look closely.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. Looks like something the brilliant Ron Paul fanboys would dream up
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:32 AM
Jan 2012

Ayn Rand said there were no ethical problems with it.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
37. False-flag operation...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 02:51 AM
Jan 2012

There is no reason whatsoever to tell lies about Newt Gingrich in an attempt to smear him; the things he has actually done are bad enough. Newt's people could have sent the message, denounced it as the work of unknown (name one of the three)-affiliated operatives, and gain lots of sympathy.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
48. Does Newt need more personal dirt to sink him? No. But if this story was false, it HELPS him:
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jan 2012

Now whenever someone asks about his multiple marriages, adultery, and request for an open marriage, he can end with ''but it is NOT true that I asked my second wife for an abortion.''

If he added that in response to a single allegation, it would at least muddy the waters, so some of the knuckledraggers might think, ''Gosh, some of what they says about the Newt is true and some ain't? I don't know betwixt which I can believe then,'' or ''If some ain't true, the rest probly ain't as likely a snot.''

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. That would make me think that he asked his first wife, or some odd girlfriend, to have one. nt
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jan 2012
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