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MaineDem

(18,161 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:46 AM Jan 2012

High Court: Warrant Needed For GPS Tracking

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court says police must get a search warrant before using GPS technology to track criminal suspects.

The court ruled in the case of Washington, D.C., nightclub owner Antoine Jones. A federal appeals court in Washington overturned his drug conspiracy conviction because police did not have a warrant when they installed a GPS device on his vehicle and then tracked his movements for a month.

The GPS device helped authorities link Jones to a suburban house used to stash money and drugs. He was sentenced to life in prison before the appeals court overturned the conviction. The Supreme Court agreed with the appeals court.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=145639480

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High Court: Warrant Needed For GPS Tracking (Original Post) MaineDem Jan 2012 OP
Looks to be 9-0 with the concurrences...Scalia wrote majority, Sotomayor a concurrence....link... msanthrope Jan 2012 #1
Finally, a good ruling by the SCOTUS Guy Montag Jan 2012 #2
well, i'll be damned. mopinko Jan 2012 #3
Wow! This is great but I am shocked! Never thought it would 9-0!!! Logical Jan 2012 #4
Wow, this is big news, right? n/t krispos42 Jan 2012 #5
yes, I think it is. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2012 #33
Wha...? BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #6
Sorry, I reposted. I thought I had looked! :D n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #7
Excellent! I was so worried about how they liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #8
I doubt you read much of Thomas' opinions. former9thward Jan 2012 #16
I have indeed had the misfortune of reading many of liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #23
Scalia and Thomas have been a criminal defense attorney's best friend on this Court. former9thward Jan 2012 #27
I have to admit that I'm amazed Orrex Jan 2012 #9
Good! Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #10
Well, strap me in a kilt and call me Sally-McNally tk2kewl Jan 2012 #11
Holy crap. Check out Alito's comment: PA Democrat Jan 2012 #12
And Alito wanted to go further... MicaelS Jan 2012 #13
The ACLU should take him up on that. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #15
Damn straight they should, ASAP. n/t MicaelS Jan 2012 #17
And Justice Sotomayor also wrote a concurring opinion for this suffragette Jan 2012 #29
"in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy" cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #34
Sorry, not the best quote to make the point that Sotomayor was also taking the argument further suffragette Jan 2012 #40
It doesn't surprise me at all. They are just protecting their own turf. bluedigger Jan 2012 #14
This will be one of the First SCOTUS rulings that SteveG Jan 2012 #18
Not a surprise. – NPR had a piece during arguments on this case … FraDon Jan 2012 #19
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2012 #20
wow, a major rejection of Bush 3 police state intentions. whatta relief nt msongs Jan 2012 #21
If you've got enough reason to suspect someone, you've got enough to reason to get a warrant! rocktivity Jan 2012 #22
Somehow Newt will warp this decision to President Obama being weak on crime... groundloop Jan 2012 #24
Wow, Scalia wrote the majority opinion? Odin2005 Jan 2012 #25
The far-right hates stuff like this too Ter Jan 2012 #26
This ruling is a good ruling, but surprises me. AllyCat Jan 2012 #28
k&r n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #30
I don't wonder if a few of those justics weren't visited by the Ghost Of Christmas Future. Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #31
Excellent! Awaiting patriot act apologists in 3..2..1.. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #32
Nothing surprising in this at all really. TheMadMonk Jan 2012 #35
Obama Justice Department thinks it should be legal DemocratAholic Jan 2012 #36
heh. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #37
It is beyond the pale that the Obama administration fought for this in the first place. woo me with science Jan 2012 #38
Startlingly wise, from this Court. DirkGently Jan 2012 #39
Current SCOTUS and wise ruling? Shocked I say! n/t PhoenixAbove Jan 2012 #41
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
1. Looks to be 9-0 with the concurrences...Scalia wrote majority, Sotomayor a concurrence....link...
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf

Shaping up, on the first read-through, a truly landmark case.

Guy Montag

(126 posts)
2. Finally, a good ruling by the SCOTUS
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jan 2012

But you can bet your bottom dollar this will be viciously attacked by fascists from the people that brought us the Homeland Security act and TSA gropers.

They will work hard to undermine this ruling.

liberalhistorian

(20,815 posts)
8. Excellent! I was so worried about how they
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jan 2012

were going to rule on this case, so I'm very happy to see this. Finally, a decent ruling from this SCOTUS. Wonder how much they had to bribe prosecutors-and-police-uber-alles Thomas to go along with it?

liberalhistorian

(20,815 posts)
23. I have indeed had the misfortune of reading many of
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jan 2012

Thomas's (incoherent) opinions, and he never met a prosecutor or policeman he didn't like, no matter how wrong and/or corrupt. And you could argue that libertarianism and conservatism really aren't that far apart in many areas.

former9thward

(31,965 posts)
27. Scalia and Thomas have been a criminal defense attorney's best friend on this Court.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:46 PM
Jan 2012

Scalia has always upheld the rights of defendants when they assert those rights. If the defendant does not assert them Scalia and Thomas generally back the police.

Orrex

(63,195 posts)
9. I have to admit that I'm amazed
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jan 2012

I absolutely figured that at least two of our esteemed Supremes would come down in favor of this kind of surveillance.


Bravo to the SCOTUS for getting one totally correct!

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
12. Holy crap. Check out Alito's comment:
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jan 2012
Justice Samuel Alito also wrote a concurring opinion in which he said the court should have gone further and dealt with GPS tracking of wireless devices, like mobile phones. He was joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=145639480

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
13. And Alito wanted to go further...
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jan 2012
Justice Samuel Alito also wrote a concurring opinion in which he said the court should have gone further and dealt with GPS tracking of wireless devices, like mobile phones. He was joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan.


That is encouraging.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
29. And Justice Sotomayor also wrote a concurring opinion for this
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=145639480

"The use of longer term GPS monitoring in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy," Alito wrote in an opinion joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan. Sotomayor in her concurring opinion specifically said she agreed with Alito on this conclusion.



Very encouraging, indeed.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
34. "in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy"
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jan 2012

"...in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy"

Step through that phrase.

If you are being investigated for some offenses you do not have the same reasonable expectation of privacy.

What the Fuck? How can the offense you are being investigated for possibly affect your innate civil rights one way or another?

One can argue that a person charged with mass murder faces a lower definition of the constututional guranatee of reasonable bail.

But how could someone argue that being investigated for mass murder means that a cop can stick a GPS device on your car, though being investigated for something more minor he would need a warrant?

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
40. Sorry, not the best quote to make the point that Sotomayor was also taking the argument further
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:39 AM
Jan 2012

than Scalia.

Good point from you about the Alito quote. Found an interesting analysis from emptywheel that calls it "squishy." Seems a good description. She also goes on in her article and in responses to discuss more about how Sotomayor goes further in addressing different technological methods that don't require physical placement.
http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/01/23/scotus-unanimously-declares-some-gps-tracking-a-search/

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
14. It doesn't surprise me at all. They are just protecting their own turf.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jan 2012

Of course you have to get a warrant from a judge. Come and get them.

FraDon

(518 posts)
19. Not a surprise. – NPR had a piece during arguments on this case …
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jan 2012

I don't remember which Supreme asked, but the question was something like, "Does this mean you think you can place these devices on the car of a Supreme Court Justice, without a warrant?"

At the time my thought was "like bloody hell, fascist mofo's ––> 9-0 !".

rocktivity

(44,573 posts)
22. If you've got enough reason to suspect someone, you've got enough to reason to get a warrant!
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jan 2012

NO DOMESTIC SURVEILLING OR SPYING WITHOUT A WARRANT! CUE THE VONAGE THEME!!!


rocktivity

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
24. Somehow Newt will warp this decision to President Obama being weak on crime...
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jan 2012

I can just hear Newt in the next debate - Obama's Supreme Court gave a gift to criminals all over the country .....


Edit to add a thought : It was pretty damned stupid of whoever was running this particular investigation to not get a warrant. The few hours or even a day or two it would have taken to obtain a warrant was nothing when compared to the time that was wasted gathering all that evidence that now can't be used.

AllyCat

(16,174 posts)
28. This ruling is a good ruling, but surprises me.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jan 2012

This SCOTUS seems intent on barbequing individual rights. Glad to see it though.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
31. I don't wonder if a few of those justics weren't visited by the Ghost Of Christmas Future.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jan 2012

If you know what I mean.

PB

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
35. Nothing surprising in this at all really.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

If any cop with a bug up his arse could slap one on your car and wait for you to fall into his lap then it's no great stretch for a spouse or parent to do the same with impunity. A paparazo? Stalker?

And as someone else pointed out, it puts supreme court justices on the same level as any common drug mule. Also politicians, CEOs, CFOs, etc.

DemocratAholic

(159 posts)
36. Obama Justice Department thinks it should be legal
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jan 2012

I didn't see in any news reports what the Obama position was on this issue, so I did a search and did find a few articles which said that the Justice Department's position was that it was Constitutional and legal for the government to attach GPS devices to unsuspecting people's vehicles.

Oh well.

Can't exactly say I'm surprised as they seem to take the position of the police in every case. I would only say that this is a good example why it is so difficult to get liberals and progressives to coalesce behind Obama. Even in a situation like this, where the privacy invasion is offensive to the entire spectrum of the court, the Obama Justice Department sides with the police in favor of attaching GPS devices to cars without warrants. It is so disturbing and makes it so difficult for me to vote for someone who would support that position before the Court.

Wired.com - Supreme Court Court Rejects Willy-nilly GPS Tracking
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-gps-ruling/

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
37. heh.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:52 PM
Jan 2012

What is with SCOTUS on this. They don't want a GPS device put on thomas or scalia's cars I guess.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
38. It is beyond the pale that the Obama administration fought for this in the first place.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jan 2012

It is very good news that the court slapped it down unanimously.

Keep fighting against the surveillance state. Occupy.

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